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Post#421 » by Induveca » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:35 pm

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Induveca wrote:Actually no. I'm a 3rd world product and what I walked by on 5th Ave today from an appointment reeked of uneducated/paid protests by a political party recruiting poor people/college kids.

Complete hypocrites. Democrats/MSM demand Trump accept the election results, then you do a 180 when he wins. It's beyond ridiculous.


Those tens of thousands of Americans protesting on 5th Ave today can't simply be written off as "uneducated/paid" protesters or "poor people/college kids." And there's nothing "ridiculous" about peaceful protest. It represents America as its best...take it from a product of the "1st world" struggle for civil rights.


Didn't watch the birddogging Project Veritas videos? And it wasn't/isn't tens of thousands. NY1 estimates are 2-3000 as of 1 PM as I ate lunch off of 5th. I don't trust CNN numbers, especially when local news/my eyes say differently.

Im currently (pre-edit) 2 blocks away at the Microsoft store on 54th/5th attempting to get a hololens dev kit (very cool check it out). Trump Tower is 2 blocks always. They're all down there.

A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Wouldn't these sentiments have been better served PRIOR to the election? In my view the arrogance displayed by Clinton supporters/mainstream media that she would dominate the election made her base complacent. They have a right to be mad, but it seems like the DNC and media should be their target. They force fed them a candidate who was vastly inferior to Sanders during an election with a "change" vibe.

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.
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Post#422 » by montestewart » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:23 pm

Induveca wrote:
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Induveca wrote:Actually no. I'm a 3rd world product and what I walked by on 5th Ave today from an appointment reeked of uneducated/paid protests by a political party recruiting poor people/college kids.

Complete hypocrites. Democrats/MSM demand Trump accept the election results, then you do a 180 when he wins. It's beyond ridiculous.


Those tens of thousands of Americans protesting on 5th Ave today can't simply be written off as "uneducated/paid" protesters or "poor people/college kids." And there's nothing "ridiculous" about peaceful protest. It represents America as its best...take it from a product of the "1st world" struggle for civil rights.


Didn't watch the birddogging Project Veritas videos? And it wasn't/isn't tens of thousands. NY1 estimates are 2-3000 as of 1 PM as I ate lunch off of 5th. I don't trust CNN numbers, especially when local news/my eyes say differently.

Im currently (pre-edit) 2 blocks away at the Microsoft store on 54th/5th attempting to get a hololens dev kit (very cool check it out). Trump Tower is 2 blocks always. They're all down there.

A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Wouldn't these sentiments have been better served PRIOR to the election? In my view the arrogance displayed by Clinton supporters/mainstream media that she would dominate the election made her base complacent.

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.

I think the "Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?" is accurate. I can honestly say that the gays, women, and blacks I know are taking Trump's victory worse than I am, and it isn't like I'm at all happy he won. Regardless of how accurate their perceptions are, these are widespread perceptions, and Trump's own actions and rhetoric contributed to those perceptions. My hope is that much of that was pre-election bluster, since he hasn't exactly led the life of a socially intolerant arch-conservative.

Regarding your comment, "In my view the arrogance displayed by Clinton supporters/mainstream media that she would dominate the election made her base complacent." I think there's a lot to that, but it was not universal. My wife does women's advocacy work, and (no surprise) she and her colleagues supported Clinton and, because of Trump's relentlessly degrading comments about women, opposed him more than any past candidate I can recall. They are understandably despondent that such a brazen sexist* is now their president. But they did not take Clinton's victory for granted, were always saying "if Clinton is elected" rather than "when Clinton is elected," and worked hard for her victory right up to her defeat.

The work my wife's organization does, along with the work done by countless other political advocacy groups, has nothing in common with the dirty tricks done by the people portrayed in those videos you posted. Dirty tricks have been practiced by all parties since politics was invented. The Republican party has its own long and well-documented history of dirty tricks that mirrors those practiced by the Democratic party. Such tactics, most of them at least, are repugnant and anti-democratic, but they don't characterize everyone working to get a president elected, and most of those organizations working to get Clinton elected also have many other tasks to attend to. They don't have time to protest the outcome.

*Whenever the issue of Trump's sexism is raised, his supporters respond with "But Bill Clinton...blah blah blah..." as if that means Trump's actions are OK, frequently parading the red herring that liberals completely ignored Clinton's actions, which is false. Numerous members of his own administration (including Al Gore) semi-publicly expressed disappointment regarding the Bill Clinton allegations, and women's advocacy groups were stuck with the quandary that the candidate who seemed to offer the best platforms regarding women's rights also seemed to have serious personal issues with regard to respecting women. Numerous women were quite vocal about what a disappointment he was, and many people (me included) chose not to vote for him in part because of these allegations.

When Bill Clinton was finally cornered, red-handed and red-faced, unable to explain away (at least some of) his actions, he at least showed some level of contrition, whether it was true shame or simply contrived, and people, especially women, needed to hear that contrition. If Trump could express something similar, however he wants to phrase it ("I'm old school, my wife and daughters hate it, and I'm trying to change" or whatever) he might calm a lot of women worried about what a Trump presidency means for them.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#423 » by DCZards » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:26 pm

Induveca wrote:
A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.


I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.

But you're right when you say that that same outrage must be there if, and when, Trump's policies match his character.
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Post#424 » by dckingsfan » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:34 pm

DCZards wrote:
Induveca wrote:
A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.


I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.

Instead of taking to the streets they should have taken to the polling places.
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Post#425 » by dckingsfan » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:38 pm

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Induveca wrote:
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Those tens of thousands of Americans protesting on 5th Ave today can't simply be written off as "uneducated/paid" protesters or "poor people/college kids." And there's nothing "ridiculous" about peaceful protest. It represents America as its best...take it from a product of the "1st world" struggle for civil rights.


Didn't watch the birddogging Project Veritas videos? And it wasn't/isn't tens of thousands. NY1 estimates are 2-3000 as of 1 PM as I ate lunch off of 5th. I don't trust CNN numbers, especially when local news/my eyes say differently.

Im currently (pre-edit) 2 blocks away at the Microsoft store on 54th/5th attempting to get a hololens dev kit (very cool check it out). Trump Tower is 2 blocks always. They're all down there.

A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Wouldn't these sentiments have been better served PRIOR to the election? In my view the arrogance displayed by Clinton supporters/mainstream media that she would dominate the election made her base complacent.

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.

I think the "Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?" is accurate. I can honestly say that the gays, women, and blacks I know are taking Trump's victory worse than I am, and it isn't like I'm at all happy he won. Regardless of how accurate their perceptions are, these are widespread perceptions, and Trump's own actions and rhetoric contributed to those perceptions. My hope is that much of that was pre-election bluster, since he hasn't exactly led the life of a socially intolerant arch-conservative.

Regarding your comment, "In my view the arrogance displayed by Clinton supporters/mainstream media that she would dominate the election made her base complacent." I think there's a lot to that, but it was not universal. My wife does women's advocacy work, and (no surprise) she and her colleagues supported Clinton and, because of Trump's relentlessly degrading comments about women, opposed him more than any past candidate I can recall. They are understandably despondent that such a brazen sexist* is now their president. But they did not take Clinton's victory for granted, were always saying "if Clinton is elected" rather than "when Clinton is elected," and worked hard for her victory right up to her defeat.

The work my wife's organization does, along with the work done by countless other political advocacy groups, has nothing in common with the dirty tricks done by the people portrayed in those videos you posted. Dirty tricks have been practiced by all parties since politics was invented. The Republican party has its own long and well-documented history of dirty tricks that mirrors those practiced by the Democratic party. Such tactics, most of them at least, are repugnant and anti-democratic, but they don't characterize everyone working to get a president elected, and most of those organizations working to get Clinton elected also have many other tasks to attend to. They don't have time to protest the outcome.

*Whenever the issue of Trump's sexism is raised, his supporters respond with "But Bill Clinton...blah blah blah..." as if that means Trump's actions are OK, frequently parading the red herring that liberals completely ignored Clinton's actions, which is false. Numerous members of his own administration (including Al Gore) semi-publicly expressed disappointment regarding the Bill Clinton allegations, and women's advocacy groups were stuck with the quandary that the candidate who seemed to offer the best platforms regarding women's rights also seemed to have serious personal issues with regard to respecting women. Numerous women were quite vocal about what a disappointment he was, and many people (me included) chose not to vote for him in part because of these allegations.

When Bill Clinton was finally cornered, red-handed and red-faced, unable to explain away (at least some of) his actions, he at least showed some level of contrition, whether it was true shame or simply contrived, and people, especially women, needed to hear that contrition. If Trump could express something similar, however he wants to phrase it ("I'm old school, my wife and daughters hate it, and I'm trying to change" or whatever) he might calm a lot of women worried about what a Trump presidency means for them.

Well said - Trump (to this point) is an unrepentant sexist (or worst) bordering on third world. He won the election - but he is still sexist.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#426 » by Induveca » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:39 pm

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Induveca wrote:
A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.


I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.


Should have motivated your base to vote more, although I admit in your own echo chamber it was easy to believe it was impossible for her to lose with CNN etc giving her a 85-99% chance of winning.

DNC/mainstream media lied to you. Trump had his "tens of thousands" motivated 6/7 days a week for months via rallies. Clinton had nothing.

Now democrats/Clinton supporters show up in the thousands *after* a loss, and no major rallies during the entire election? You woke up too late.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#427 » by DCZards » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:41 pm

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Induveca wrote:
A larger question, I'm all for peaceful protests. But what is the goal here? Whining? Hurt feelings? Fear that gays women and black people will be treated poorly?

Maybe at least wait until he takes office? Then there could actually be something to protest other than hurt feelings and unfounded anticipatory "tyrannical" actions.


I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.

Instead of taking to the streets they should have taken to the polling places.


Who says that these protesters didn't vote...and weren't among the majority of Americans who voted for Hillary over Trump?

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Post#428 » by Induveca » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:51 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
DCZards wrote:
I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.

Instead of taking to the streets they should have taken to the polling places.


Who says that these protesters didn't vote...and weren't among the majority of Americans who voted for Hillary over Trump?


Democrats had 10 million less voters in 2016 vs 2008. Pretty safe to say, along with MSM's continued guarantees of a 85-99% Clinton victory a large percentage didn't vote.

Obama was an inspiration in 2008, I get it. But if Trump was considered such a monster by the same base, you'd assume they'd be nearly as passionate to keep him out of office during the election. 10 million people stayed home.
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Post#429 » by DCZards » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:24 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Instead of taking to the streets they should have taken to the polling places.


Who says that these protesters didn't vote...and weren't among the majority of Americans who voted for Hillary over Trump?


Democrats had 10 million less voters in 2016 vs 2008. Pretty safe to say, along with MSM's continued guarantees of a 85-99% Clinton victory a large percentage didn't vote.

Obama was an inspiration in 2008, I get it. But if Trump was considered such a monster by the same base, you'd assume they'd be nearly as passionate to keep him out of office during the election. 10 million people stayed home.


You get no argument from me there. The failure of Americans to get out and vote is why we ended up with a bigot and bully as our president-elect. I'm sure a lot of those who didn't vote are feeling especially lousy about the outcome.

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Post#430 » by Kanyewest » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:14 pm

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montestewart wrote:
Induveca wrote:Love how CNN/MSM was 99% wrong on nearly *everything*, yet Clinton supporters are quoting their BS here as if it was gospel.

Gee Induveca, overstate your case much?


Actually no. I'm a 3rd world product and what I walked by on 5th Ave today from an appointment reeked of uneducated/paid protests by a political party recruiting poor people/college kids.

Complete hypocrites. Democrats/MSM demand Trump accept the election results, then you do a 180 when he wins. It's beyond ridiculous.


Actually, I wouldn't call it hypocritical that Democrats are complaining about the election results given that they are complaining AFTER the election took place and some have been consistent in that the candidate who wins the popular vote should go on to be president.

That being said, people are going to have to live with the results since this is how the democracy was designed. I'm not sure how it is going to change either. People are right now in the bargaining phase of losing and still rationalizing that Hillary Clinton was the right nominee when in fact she wasn't.
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Post#431 » by dckingsfan » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:26 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
DCZards wrote:
I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.

Instead of taking to the streets they should have taken to the polling places.


Who says that these protesters didn't vote...and weren't among the majority of Americans who voted for Hillary over Trump?

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Clearly not enough of them...

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Post#432 » by Induveca » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:38 pm

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Here is the Seattle Times covering it:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#433 » by payitforward » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:40 pm

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DCZards wrote:
I hope that one of the goals of the protests is to say that the election of a bully and bigot who insults women and minorities to the nation's highest office reflects poorly on this country's values and principles--and we're willing to take to the streets to express our disgust.

Instead of taking to the streets they should have taken to the polling places.

Who says that these protesters didn't vote...and weren't among the majority of Americans who voted for Hillary over Trump?

No one is more anti-Trump than I am. The guy's a colossal creep. That said, I have a few comments on the recent posts here:

1. The majority of Americans didn't vote for Hilary. She got 48%; Trump got 47%; Johnson (the Libertarian) got 4%; the Green Party got less than 1%.

2. Nothing wrong with protest. But ask yourself this: had Hilary won, how would protests by Trump supporters look to you?

3. After a protest, people feel satisfied; they got it off their chests. Then the question is: do they organize? The next protest isn't as satisfying. What characterized my era wasn't protest -- though there was plenty of that -- it was organized pressure for change that was exerted on and within the institutional structure and legal structure of this country.

4. The position Trump is in will push him to the center. E.g. 30 million people are on Obamacare; we're already hearing him say that he wants to fix it not end it. It'll be the same on all the issues. Do you really think the people who run big corporations want trade barriers? Do you really think that if they don't want it it's going to happen anyway?

5. The outlier wins Presidential elections; that's what I've learned from all this. In '08 the Democratic power structure didn't want Obama -- "he's young, he's black, he's going to lose." Ditto the Republican power structure re: Trump this time. But, the parties no longer nominate their candidates; the people do. And someone with a blank political slate, someone who isn't identified w/ what people see as "the failures of the past" wins.

6. Donald Trump is *not* going to like being President. Or, if he does, it'll change him as a human being. It seems a little late for that, so I say he isn't going to like it. It's hard work, it's isolating, it's intolerant of impulsiveness, etc.

7. Donald Trump is going to do nothing significant whatsoever in re: the American economy that will help it grow, and above all nothing that will help the resentful white working class. There isn't anything he or any President can do to affect any of that.

Under ordinary circumstances, advanced economies grow at @2% a year over the long haul. You want 8% growth sustained over e.g. a decade or more like we had 50 years ago? First have a World War that badly damages those advanced economies, knocks them way down, kills major parts of their productive capacities, destroys their currencies, stuff like that -- all while maintaining your own productive capacity, currency, etc.

Anybody here looking for that? Anybody having trouble seeing the cost of that?

Economies grow, and wages rise, under the influence of increased productivity. Now, because productivity is measured in dollars it's not an altogether independent variable; things are a little (a lot) more complicated than that. But w/o increased productivity wages don't rise to speak of. Trade barriers won't help increase productivity.

Of course you can also create an entirely new industry -- viz. the PC industry 30 years ago and other technology industries since then. You think a President gets that done?

Despite the above, yes, it's going to be a bumpy ride. Seems kind of obvious -- at least based on rhetoric -- that we'll lose power as a nation, lose power globally. Who knows? Maybe that's a good idea. Or maybe Trump's bad instincts will be reined in by those around him.

Seems kind of obvious we won't have the kinds of Supreme Court justices that I like. But, there too we'll have to see. Trump is no kind of conservative I've ever seen -- no kind of conservative at all as far as I can tell. To be a conservative is to have a worked out set of policies, which he clearly doesn't. And I just can't see him relying on the advice of a pipsqueak like Newt Gingrich. It's interesting that he seems to be getting along w/ Obama. Given the seemingly inconsequential role that policy or structured ideology play in his mind, he may turn to him for advice.

Ok, that would be weird! But, hey, "weird" is the new normal, right? :)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#434 » by JWizmentality » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:54 pm

If Trump's goal was to bring this country together, he's already failed miserably. There were going to be protests if either candidate won, but to dismiss them as "professional" protesters after the campaign he ran. Pathetic, but it's not like I expected better. His inauguration (if we even get that far) is going to be a circus.
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Post#435 » by Induveca » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:55 pm

JWizmentality wrote:If Trump's goal was to bring this country together, he's already failed miserably. There were going to be protests if either candidate won, but to dismiss them as "professional" protesters after the campaign he ran. Pathetic, but it's not like I expected better. His inauguration (if we even get that far) is going to be a circus.


Read my post above, Soros is paying protestors 1500/week in 20 cities through various charities. Just researched one city but Seattle Times covering it....they're barely attempting to hide it.

Project Veritas did a great job exposing these networks.
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Post#436 » by JWizmentality » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:09 am

Induveca wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:If Trump's goal was to bring this country together, he's already failed miserably. There were going to be protests if either candidate won, but to dismiss them as "professional" protesters after the campaign he ran. Pathetic, but it's not like I expected better. His inauguration (if we even get that far) is going to be a circus.


Read my post above, Soros is paying protestors 1500/week in 20 cities through various charities. Just researched one city but Seattle Times covering it....they're barely attempting to hide it.

Project Veritas did a great job exposing these networks.


And you think the massive protests happening around the country is bought and paid for?
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Post#437 » by montestewart » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:23 am

Induveca wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:If Trump's goal was to bring this country together, he's already failed miserably. There were going to be protests if either candidate won, but to dismiss them as "professional" protesters after the campaign he ran. Pathetic, but it's not like I expected better. His inauguration (if we even get that far) is going to be a circus.


Read my post above, Soros is paying protestors 1500/week in 20 cities through various charities. Just researched one city but Seattle Times covering it....they're barely attempting to hide it.

Project Veritas did a great job exposing these networks.

Why would they hide it? The ad doesn't say protesters or rioters (as the tweet you posted said). It says activists. I know activists, promoting voter registration and voter education, researching issues and disseminating information, raising funds, organizing protests populated by unpaid protesters, etc.

Those ads are not evidence (much less proof) that these protests consist of paid protesters, and nothing shows that the ads are even connected to the protests. Lots of organizations get Soros money, just like lots or organizations get Koch money. Maybe your allegations are true, but do a little more research before assuming these Jackson Pollocks clearly connect all the dots.

Still, $1500 sounds like pretty good money. Hopefully they don't just hire the first person walking through the door.
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Post#438 » by Induveca » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:24 am

JWizmentality wrote:
Induveca wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:If Trump's goal was to bring this country together, he's already failed miserably. There were going to be protests if either candidate won, but to dismiss them as "professional" protesters after the campaign he ran. Pathetic, but it's not like I expected better. His inauguration (if we even get that far) is going to be a circus.


Read my post above, Soros is paying protestors 1500/week in 20 cities through various charities. Just researched one city but Seattle Times covering it....they're barely attempting to hide it.

Project Veritas did a great job exposing these networks.


And you think the massive protests happening around the country is bought and paid for?


The organizers/leadership without question and hundreds yes, no doubt. If you had watched the Project Veritas videos the large Chicago riot that caused Trump to cancel a rally was fully bought and paid for.....of course locals show up but they agitate and get people hyped up. They even went into detail on how they use cars vs buses and reimburse the hundreds of paid protestors they have in the entire country.

These are the exact same groups, backed by the Soros group which funded "Democracy Now" led by Bob Creamer, who met with Obama hundreds of times.

The specific group which is funneling money to all of these orgs listing the paid protestor ads is:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Alliance

They've donated over 500 million for these kinds of activities, to the very organizations hiring the protestors.

*NOTE: I'm not saying many of the protestors aren't real and don't have legitimate grievances, but the protests themselves (especially the smaller ones) are puppeteered and have hundreds of thousands of dollars ensuring they happen.
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Post#439 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:36 am

Oh, this is so very tiresome, dude. You should have been around in the early '60s when every protest in the South was a matter of "Negroes" being stirred to protest by "professional, paid agitators" from the North. I mean... why ever would they protest otherwise?

Or maybe you'd like a couple of dozen other examples of this kind of BS?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XI 

Post#440 » by FAH1223 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:37 am

WOW. Democrats control the fewest state legislatures since the CIVIL WAR.

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