Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[NatP4]

porter is an all star level power forward. Who are the non small ball true PFs in the east? Love is now going to play C in Cleveland, Millsap is now gone, The Celtics will be using a handful of wing players at the 4, I couldn't even name Toronto's starting PF but they just extended a wing player after drafting a wing player after already having an all star wing player so.....Miami uses James Johnson at the 4 and sometimes even the 5.

We were using Jason Smith at power forward, It's time to unleash Oubre 100% 30 minutes per night.

[payitforward]

So im a bit excited about Oubre vs the LongLions. Sure I know its preseason, not only that, but against a Chinese team... However in saying that, the LL's were playing tenacious D... Oubre looked like he has taken another leap in his game. His handle looks much improved, he wasn't leaking out to gamble on D and losing his man too often... Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot. Honestly looking like a young and prettier Trevor Ariza.

THEORETICALLY - If this is not a one off and becomes the norm for Oubre, is Porter someone you'd put on the block, to find an upgrade at PF/C? Perhaps someone disgruntled and All-Star level at another position?

Obviously for a GOOD gm, anyone is tradeable. But after signing a new, large contract, and having played college ball in the same building...?

I see. Oubre played 27 minutes against the Long Lions. He went 3 of 6. 1 of 3 from 3-point range. And managed 1 rebound. & the takeaway from that is to ask whether we should trade Otto Porter?

"Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot..." What game did you watch?

[dangermouse]

So im a bit excited about Oubre vs the LongLions. Sure I know its preseason, not only that, but against a Chinese team... However in saying that, the LL's were playing tenacious D... Oubre looked like he has taken another leap in his game. His handle looks much improved, he wasn't leaking out to gamble on D and losing his man too often... Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot. Honestly looking like a young and prettier Trevor Ariza.

THEORETICALLY - If this is not a one off and becomes the norm for Oubre, is Porter someone you'd put on the block, to find an upgrade at PF/C? Perhaps someone disgruntled and All-Star level at another position?

Obviously for a GOOD gm, anyone is tradeable. But after signing a new, large contract, and having played college ball in the same building...?

I see. Oubre played 27 minutes against the Long Lions. He went 3 of 6. 1 of 3 from 3-point range. And managed 1 rebound. & the takeaway from that is to ask whether we should trade Otto Porter?

"Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot..." What game did you watch?

Damn, I thought he got more than the one. Still, he played great again today. A bit trigger happy at times, but showed better handle and finished a play on the break with his off-hand in traffic.

I guess another way to look at it is Oubre becoming starting calibre raises his trade value also.

[dckingsfan]

So im a bit excited about Oubre vs the LongLions. Sure I know its preseason, not only that, but against a Chinese team... However in saying that, the LL's were playing tenacious D... Oubre looked like he has taken another leap in his game. His handle looks much improved, he wasn't leaking out to gamble on D and losing his man too often... Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot. Honestly looking like a young and prettier Trevor Ariza.

THEORETICALLY - If this is not a one off and becomes the norm for Oubre, is Porter someone you'd put on the block, to find an upgrade at PF/C? Perhaps someone disgruntled and All-Star level at another position?

Obviously for a GOOD gm, anyone is tradeable. But after signing a new, large contract, and having played college ball in the same building...?

I see. Oubre played 27 minutes against the Long Lions. He went 3 of 6. 1 of 3 from 3-point range. And managed 1 rebound. & the takeaway from that is to ask whether we should trade Otto Porter?

"Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot..." What game did you watch?

Damn, I thought he got more than the one. Still, he played great again today. A bit trigger happy at times, but showed better handle and finished a play on the break with his off-hand in traffic.

I guess another way to look at it is Oubre becoming starting calibre raises his trade value also.

Question on that - if Oubre becomes a legit starting SF, do you:
1) Do nothing - keep him and have him play backup SF
2) Move Porter to PF for significant minutes
3) Trade Porter
4) Trade Oubre

I am torn by all the options.... I am not torn that somehow EG will mess this up.

[Wizardspride]

I see. Oubre played 27 minutes against the Long Lions. He went 3 of 6. 1 of 3 from 3-point range. And managed 1 rebound. & the takeaway from that is to ask whether we should trade Otto Porter?

"Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot..." What game did you watch?

Damn, I thought he got more than the one. Still, he played great again today. A bit trigger happy at times, but showed better handle and finished a play on the break with his off-hand in traffic.

I guess another way to look at it is Oubre becoming starting calibre raises his trade value also.

Question on that - if Oubre becomes a legit starting SF, do you:
1) Do nothing - keep him and have him play backup SF
2) Move Porter to PF for significant minutes
3) Trade Porter
4) Trade Oubre

I am torn by all the options.... I am not torn that somehow EG will mess this up.

Personally, I like option "number 2".

[dckingsfan]

Damn, I thought he got more than the one. Still, he played great again today. A bit trigger happy at times, but showed better handle and finished a play on the break with his off-hand in traffic.

I guess another way to look at it is Oubre becoming starting calibre raises his trade value also.

Question on that - if Oubre becomes a legit starting SF, do you:
1) Do nothing - keep him and have him play backup SF
2) Move Porter to PF for significant minutes
3) Trade Porter
4) Trade Oubre

I am torn by all the options.... I am not torn that somehow EG will mess this up.

Personally, I like option "number 2".

Seems like the logical first move... especially with Morris out and Smith getting off to a slow start - seems like Brooks has more latitude?

[Wizardspride]

Question on that - if Oubre becomes a legit starting SF, do you:
1) Do nothing - keep him and have him play backup SF
2) Move Porter to PF for significant minutes
3) Trade Porter
4) Trade Oubre

I am torn by all the options.... I am not torn that somehow EG will mess this up.

Personally, I like option "number 2".

Seems like the logical first move... especially with Morris out and Smith getting off to a slow start - seems like Brooks has more latitude?

Yep.

Let's just hope he takes that latitude.

I respect Jason Smith but I want to limit his minutes as a starting PF as much as possible.

[bsilver]

So im a bit excited about Oubre vs the LongLions. Sure I know its preseason, not only that, but against a Chinese team... However in saying that, the LL's were playing tenacious D... Oubre looked like he has taken another leap in his game. His handle looks much improved, he wasn't leaking out to gamble on D and losing his man too often... Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot. Honestly looking like a young and prettier Trevor Ariza.

THEORETICALLY - If this is not a one off and becomes the norm for Oubre, is Porter someone you'd put on the block, to find an upgrade at PF/C? Perhaps someone disgruntled and All-Star level at another position?

Obviously for a GOOD gm, anyone is tradeable. But after signing a new, large contract, and having played college ball in the same building...?

I really like Dario Saric. He played at a very high level the 2nd half of the season. With Simmons back from injury, the Sixers have a logjam of big men, but are lacking at SF. Maybe we could get Saric and their first. We need some way to shed salary to get some flexibility for future signings.

[gambitx777]

Porter has a year one no trade clause, so trying to trade him would do nothing but cause issues. Because you got to tread the line of getting him to give that up, and not causing locker room ****. So, no way he agrees to go to the 76ers

[bsilver]

Porter has a year one no trade clause, so trying to trade him would do nothing but cause issues. Because you got to tread the line of getting him to give that up, and not causing locker room ****. So, no way he agrees to go to the 76ers

Porter did voluntarily sign a contract with the Nets, but putting aside the question of Porter's no-trade contract --

A team of Fultz, Reddick (or equivalent), Porter, Simmons, Embiid has the potential to be the best in the East. Largely a question of health and experience. Given Sixer health, what team would you put your money on in 2 years? That proposed Sixer team, or a Wizards team of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Mahinmi?

[dangermouse]

The 1 year no trade clause makes this a little more interesting.

I guess that sort of rules out something around porter for cousins at the deadline. Cavs up next, very keen to keep watching Oubre to see just how much he has improved.

[payitforward]

So im a bit excited about Oubre vs the LongLions. Sure I know its preseason, not only that, but against a Chinese team... However in saying that, the LL's were playing tenacious D... Oubre looked like he has taken another leap in his game. His handle looks much improved, he wasn't leaking out to gamble on D and losing his man too often... Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot. Honestly looking like a young and prettier Trevor Ariza.

THEORETICALLY - If this is not a one off and becomes the norm for Oubre, is Porter someone you'd put on the block, to find an upgrade at PF/C? Perhaps someone disgruntled and All-Star level at another position?

Obviously for a GOOD gm, anyone is tradeable. But after signing a new, large contract, and having played college ball in the same building...?

I see. Oubre played 27 minutes against the Long Lions. He went 3 of 6. 1 of 3 from 3-point range. And managed 1 rebound. & the takeaway from that is to ask whether we should trade Otto Porter?

"Splashed a few threes on catch a shoot..." What game did you watch?

Damn, I thought he got more than the one. Still, he played great again today. A bit trigger happy at times, but showed better handle and finished a play on the break with his off-hand in traffic.

I guess another way to look at it is Oubre becoming starting calibre raises his trade value also.

?? First thing to say -- I am a big fan of Oubre. He has terrific potential, & he already does some things well. I liked Ernie's trade to get him. I'm the opposite of a "hater." That said...

Oubre certainly did not "play great" vs. the Knicks! In 25 minutes, he went 5-13 -- 2 of the makes were 3-pointers, so that's equivalent to 6-13. He did block 1 shot & get 2 steals. OTOH, he only grabbed 3 boards. It was a reasonable outing but nothing to write home about. Not quite as good as his play vs. the LongLions (from which, obviously, there is nothing whatever to learn -- not an NBA team!).

Above all, Kelly Oubre Jr. is by no means a starter level SF. At this point, he's still well below average for *all* SFs in the league. Which is where I'd expect him to be.

At the same time, I expect him to improve this year. That's what you ask of a young player: to get better. KO is not even 22 yet. He's 2.5 years younger than Otto Porter. He may wind up a starting-level NBA player.

Will he ever be as good a player as Otto? Well... you never say never -- but there is very little chance of that! After missing virtually his whole rookie year, Otto played 1432 minutes in 2014-15 -- at a much much higher level than Kelly played last year. Then he improved a lot his 3d year, & then he improved a lot again his 4th year.

If Kelly winds up as good as Otto was in 2014-15, he'll be a very good NBA player. That would be great; lets give him a chance to get there.

[gambitx777]

Porter has a year one no trade clause, so trying to trade him would do nothing but cause issues. Because you got to tread the line of getting him to give that up, and not causing locker room ****. So, no way he agrees to go to the 76ers

Porter did voluntarily sign a contract with the Nets, but putting aside the question of Porter's no-trade contract --

A team of Fultz, Reddick (or equivalent), Porter, Simmons, Embiid has the potential to be the best in the East. Largely a question of health and experience. Given Sixer health, what team would you put your money on in 2 years? That proposed Sixer team, or a Wizards team of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Mahinmi?

Brugh its the sixers!
Porter is not waiving that no trade clause unless its to a super team or a big market. Not Gona Happen. I would take wall beal porter all day over the 76ers!

[verbal8]

Porter has a year one no trade clause, so trying to trade him would do nothing but cause issues. Because you got to tread the line of getting him to give that up, and not causing locker room ****. So, no way he agrees to go to the 76ers

Porter did voluntarily sign a contract with the Nets, but putting aside the question of Porter's no-trade contract --

A team of Fultz, Reddick (or equivalent), Porter, Simmons, Embiid has the potential to be the best in the East. Largely a question of health and experience. Given Sixer health, what team would you put your money on in 2 years? That proposed Sixer team, or a Wizards team of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Mahinmi?

Brugh its the sixers!
Porter is not waiving that no trade clause unless its to a super team or a big market. Not Gona Happen. I would take wall beal porter all day over the 76ers!

Time for LyricalRico to fire up the trade checker. If a near contender team has a couple young prospects, that might be the destination for Porter and the trade package might appeal more to New Orleans, looking for more complimentary young talent.

[NatP4]

Roll the dice on Stephen Zimmerman, 5 star recruit in high school, athletic 7 footer. Replace ochefu with some talent

[NatP4]

Beachem is another guy to look at with our lack of wing depth now. He has the potential to shoot 40% from 3 in the nba with nice defensive potential. Would thrive on our team next to wall

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Roll the dice on Stephen Zimmerman, 5 star recruit in high school, athletic 7 footer. Replace ochefu with some talent.

...Beachem is another guy to look at with our lack of wing depth now. He has the potential to shoot 40% from 3 in the nba with nice defensive potential. Would thrive on our team next to wall

A lot of people here liked Zimmerman. So far his biggest problems -- & these were problems both in college & in the G League last year -- are that he is an extremely inefficient scorer for a C, & he turns the ball over a fair amount as well. Plus, he fouls at a pretty high rate.

Those problems are going to keep him off an NBA floor. But, he's a heck of a rebounder. & he gets enough steals & assists to make me think he has some BBIQ.

He just turned 21; I'm sure he's going to get another shot somewhere -- & pretty soon. Could it be here? Just for upside, I'd rather have Zimmerman than Felix. To get us to 15, I'd keep Sloan & bring in Zimmerman (tho I haven't looked at who else teams are cutting right now, so there might be someone preferable).

I'd also rather have him than McCullough or Frazier. But those guys have guaranteed contracts & are going nowhere.

edit: forgot to comment on Beachem -- Nat, were you the one touting him around draft time? I can't see him having NBA level skills.

[gambitx777]

Zimmerman has tallent i dont know why hes getting cut, he must be out of shape or lacking effort or immature.

[payitforward]

Numbers game? They already have Lopez, Zubac & Thomas Bryant at C, all w/ guaranteed contracts.

They have 14 guaranteed contracts. The options for the last spot are Vander Blue, Briante Weber & Andrew Bogut.

[J-Ves]

Zimmerman looks like a guy who belongs in the NBA, at the very least at the end of some team's 15 man roster. For the Wiz ,though, do they really need another center? I think the need at wing is greater.