Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[TGW]

OMG Biden is done. Truly a terrible president...his own constituents don't want him and the party is set to lose the house as well.

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[dckingsfan]

OMG Biden is done. Truly a terrible president...his own constituents don't want him and the party is set to lose the house as well.

Yep, he is done. And you will get a few more years of YOUR GUY Trump... pretty happy?

Remember - you voted for Trump, so think about your own perspective when you jump in.

[TGW]

OMG Biden is done. Truly a terrible president...his own constituents don't want him and the party is set to lose the house as well.

Yep, he is done. And you will get a few more years of YOUR GUY Trump... pretty happy?

Remember - you voted for Trump, so think about your own perspective when you jump in.

Really? I voted for Trump? Show me the evidence that I voted for Trump.

It's funny that the **** accuse everyone who doesn't kiss Biden's ass a Trump supporter. It's an indictment on how terrible this broken two party system is. Oh, and btw, as terrible as Trump was, his administration was heads and shoulders better than the Biden administration. Biden has been in office for what feels like 100 years, and yet his administration has been incompetent, underprepared, and lacking any direction whatsover.

The Biden supporters (what little left there is) need to take responsibility for this massive FAIL of a president.

[dckingsfan]

OMG Biden is done. Truly a terrible president...his own constituents don't want him and the party is set to lose the house as well.

Yep, he is done. And you will get a few more years of YOUR GUY Trump... pretty happy?

Remember - you voted for Trump, so think about your own perspective when you jump in.

Really? I voted for Trump? Show me the evidence that I voted for Trump.

It's funny that the **** accuse everyone who doesn't kiss Biden's ass a Trump supporter. It's an indictment on how terrible this broken two party system is. Oh, and btw, as terrible as Trump was, his administration was heads and shoulders better than the Biden administration. Biden has been in office for what feels like 100 years, and yet his administration has been incompetent, underprepared, and lacking any direction whatsover.

The Biden supporters (what little left there is) need to take responsibility for this massive FAIL of a president.

Of course you voted for Trump - you went all in... that you can't admit it is your own failing. Your false equivalencies not withstanding.

The failings of this Administration are nothing compared to your Trump Administration and your Bush forever war failings. Full Stop.

Now, back on ignore with you...

[TGW]

Yep, he is done. And you will get a few more years of YOUR GUY Trump... pretty happy?

Remember - you voted for Trump, so think about your own perspective when you jump in.

Really? I voted for Trump? Show me the evidence that I voted for Trump.

It's funny that the **** accuse everyone who doesn't kiss Biden's ass a Trump supporter. It's an indictment on how terrible this broken two party system is. Oh, and btw, as terrible as Trump was, his administration was heads and shoulders better than the Biden administration. Biden has been in office for what feels like 100 years, and yet his administration has been incompetent, underprepared, and lacking any direction whatsover.

The Biden supporters (what little left there is) need to take responsibility for this massive FAIL of a president.

Of course you voted for Trump - you went all in... that you can't admit it is your own failing. Your false equivalencies not withstanding.

The failings of this Administration are nothing compared to your Trump Administration and your Bush forever war failings. Full Stop.

Now, back on ignore with you...

You have me confused with someone else, dude. Your memory is worse than Biden's...

[dckingsfan]

Really? I voted for Trump? Show me the evidence that I voted for Trump.

It's funny that the **** accuse everyone who doesn't kiss Biden's ass a Trump supporter. It's an indictment on how terrible this broken two party system is. Oh, and btw, as terrible as Trump was, his administration was heads and shoulders better than the Biden administration. Biden has been in office for what feels like 100 years, and yet his administration has been incompetent, underprepared, and lacking any direction whatsover.

The Biden supporters (what little left there is) need to take responsibility for this massive FAIL of a president.

Of course you voted for Trump - you went all in... that you can't admit it is your own failing. Your false equivalencies not withstanding.

The failings of this Administration are nothing compared to your Trump Administration and your Bush forever war failings. Full Stop.

Now, back on ignore with you...

You have me confused with someone else, dude. Your memory is worse than Biden's...

Oh, I definitely didn't confuse you with someone else. Your support of Trump and your false equivalencies were obvious if not transparent. And here you go again with the same rhetoric.

List out what you think are the failings of the Biden Administration in your own words...

[TGW]

Of course you voted for Trump - you went all in... that you can't admit it is your own failing. Your false equivalencies not withstanding.

The failings of this Administration are nothing compared to your Trump Administration and your Bush forever war failings. Full Stop.

Now, back on ignore with you...

You have me confused with someone else, dude. Your memory is worse than Biden's...

Oh, I definitely didn't confuse you with someone else. Your support of Trump and your false equivalencies were obvious if not transparent. And here you go again with the same rhetoric.

List out what you think are the failings of the Biden Administration in your own words...

why would I engage in a debate with you over the Biden's failures when you are BLATANTLY LYING (or forgetting...tends to happen with the elderly) about me voting for Trump, which is laughable if you simply do a search for my posts in these political threads. You, like many other libs, don't operate in good faith, so I'm not going to debate with you, and I really don't have to. Biden's approval rating speak for itself.

[pancakes3]

OMG Biden is done. Truly a terrible president...his own constituents don't want him and the party is set to lose the house as well.

Yep, he is done. And you will get a few more years of YOUR GUY Trump... pretty happy?

Remember - you voted for Trump, so think about your own perspective when you jump in.

Really? I voted for Trump? Show me the evidence that I voted for Trump.

It's funny that the **** accuse everyone who doesn't kiss Biden's ass a Trump supporter. It's an indictment on how terrible this broken two party system is. Oh, and btw, as terrible as Trump was, his administration was heads and shoulders better than the Biden administration. Biden has been in office for what feels like 100 years, and yet his administration has been incompetent, underprepared, and lacking any direction whatsover.

The Biden supporters (what little left there is) need to take responsibility for this massive FAIL of a president.

i don't remember you voting for trump but i do remember you being an idiot re: blowing up dem failings while handwaving away republican evils, and continue to do so.

explain how trump's administration is heads and shoulders above the current one?

trump's administration was both evil and incompetent. the only meaningful legislation that was passed was the tax cuts and jobs act. his executive orders boiled down to cartoon-villain-levels of evil re: immigration and rolling back environmental protections. the rest was just gaffe after gaffe. fist-bumping MBS pales in comparison to anything Trump did. falling off a bicycle? what are you even talking about?

yes, i'm frustrated at the lack of results from ostensibly Dem control of WH + Congress but it's really Manchin's fault. Is Biden a weak president in terms of having control over his party? yes. is it Joe's fault? to a degree. but to regurgitate Fox talking points about how Biden is a walking corpse alzheimer's patient is not operating in good faith.

check yourself.

[dckingsfan]

You have me confused with someone else, dude. Your memory is worse than Biden's...

Oh, I definitely didn't confuse you with someone else. Your support of Trump and your false equivalencies were obvious if not transparent. And here you go again with the same rhetoric.

List out what you think are the failings of the Biden Administration in your own words...

why would I engage in a debate with you over the Biden's failures when you are BLATANTLY LYING (or forgetting...tends to happen with the elderly) about me voting for Trump, which is laughable if you simply do a search for my posts in these political threads. You, like many other libs, don't operate in good faith, so I'm not going to debate with you, and I really don't have to. Biden's approval rating speak for itself.

Funny how so many that voted for Trump and pushed the false equivalencies take no responsibility...

Anecdotal - I have friends that encouraged me to vote Trump and are now saying they didn't vote him.

And of course you won't substantially engage - you got nothin' other than tweets and more false equivalencies. I would expect nothing less.

[TGW]

explain how trump's administration is heads and shoulders above the current one?

Uh, how about not having record inflation, record high home and automobile prices, record high gas and food prices, an abysmal economy, or people losing thousands of dollars in their retirement accounts. Biden is breaking records...all the bad ones. But people on your end of the aisle have your heads up Biden's behind so far, that the obvious is ignored. At least most of the democratic base isn't as pathetic and shill-like as the repugnant Biden supporters who make nonstop excuses for him. A 64% disapproval rate from your own base...people are waking up, which is good. They aren't falling for the nonsense being spewed by people like you.

Oh and btw, the democrats have no one to blame for Roe v Wade but themselves:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/05/11/why-roe-v-wade-never-codified/9650536002/?gnt-cfr=1

This is why what the Republicans do or don't do at this point in my life doesn't bother or surprise me. They've been running on the same pro-war, pro-gun, anti-abortion stance since I've been born. Them being awful is not surprising...there's no lip-service from those scumbags. Democrat scum are just pandering, lying, disengenuous scum who don't do a thing but line their pockets up with corporate cash. And LOL at blaming Joe Manchin, some blowhard from a flyover state, for Biden's failures. PATHETIC...no one is buying that but idiots.

[TGW]

Oh, I definitely didn't confuse you with someone else. Your support of Trump and your false equivalencies were obvious if not transparent. And here you go again with the same rhetoric.

List out what you think are the failings of the Biden Administration in your own words...

why would I engage in a debate with you over the Biden's failures when you are BLATANTLY LYING (or forgetting...tends to happen with the elderly) about me voting for Trump, which is laughable if you simply do a search for my posts in these political threads. You, like many other libs, don't operate in good faith, so I'm not going to debate with you, and I really don't have to. Biden's approval rating speak for itself.

Funny how so many that voted for Trump and pushed the false equivalencies take no responsibility...

Anecdotal - I have friends that encouraged me to vote Trump and are now saying they didn't vote him.

And of course you won't substantially engage - you got nothin' other than tweets and more false equivalencies. I would expect nothing less.

I wont engage with you because you're a disengenuous liar. I told you to prove that I voted for trump, and you can't. Deflection tactic and a terrible one. Kick rocks, geezer.

[Wizardspride]

explain how trump's administration is heads and shoulders above the current one?

Uh, how about not having record inflation, record high home and automobile prices, record high gas and food prices, an abysmal economy, or people losing thousands of dollars in their retirement accounts. Biden is breaking records...all the bad ones.

I'd agree with you if these things weren't happening worldwide.

[TGW]

explain how trump's administration is heads and shoulders above the current one?

Uh, how about not having record inflation, record high home and automobile prices, record high gas and food prices, an abysmal economy, or people losing thousands of dollars in their retirement accounts. Biden is breaking records...all the bad ones.

I'd agree with you if these things weren't happening worldwide.

And this is why I respect you WP. This is a valid point, and I agree that Biden took over during an unprecedented time in this country's history, and he can't be blamed for every negative thing that's happened during his tenure. But I think most people can agree that the administration's response to almost everything has been bungled. The PPP was embarasing and like Trump's tax plan, a giveaway to the rich. Nothing was done to curb the overreliance on big oil. He's now in the middle east begging the Saudis for help. Border patrol is still splitting up families. Healthcare costs are rising. You had roe v wade overturned under your presidency. Like honestly, what is Biden's major accomplishment so far?

[dckingsfan]

explain how trump's administration is heads and shoulders above the current one?

Uh, how about not having record inflation, record high home and automobile prices, record high gas and food prices, an abysmal economy, or people losing thousands of dollars in their retirement accounts. Biden is breaking records...all the bad ones.

I'd agree with you if these things weren't happening worldwide.

And there you have it... that would take a person to actually think through what is happening.

Is inflation local to the US or worldwide? Are the supply chains local or worldwide? Did the fossil fuel industry cut back on refinery capacity before or after the Biden Administration? Did the Biden Administration pass the new NAFTA bill that limited foreign imports of baby formula? Where are the unemployment numbers? Are the fluctuations in folks retirement accounts due to the stock market due Biden or the Fed raising interest rates? Are many of those fluctuations short-term or long-term?

The mental gymnastics of getting to a Inflation = Biden is mind-numbingly ignorant (notice I didn't say stupid - once one researches and then understands what is going on and sticks with the drive-by ignorant posts - well then, we cross into stupidity).

And then we have the cheers - Biden is f'ing up - yay, 12 more years of Trump!! All this wrapped in - "what has Biden accomplished". Not, look how f'd up the forever wars, Trump & Bush tax cuts, rollbacks on anything to deal with Climate Change, more guns on the streets, etc., etc., etc..

[Bonscott]

It's truly pathetic that democrat nitwits have turned this country into shambles but yet all you do throw insults at republicans because you're completely lost
It's also pathetic that 30% of nitwit democrats are happy with the current government

[dckingsfan]

It's truly pathetic that democrat nitwits have turned this country into shambles but yet all you do throw insults at republicans because you're completely lost. It's also pathetic that 30% of nitwit democrats are happy with the current government

It's truly pathetic that some don't understand the difference between correlation and causation. Back to three more terms of Trump.

[montestewart]

Oh, I definitely didn't confuse you with someone else. Your support of Trump and your false equivalencies were obvious if not transparent. And here you go again with the same rhetoric.

List out what you think are the failings of the Biden Administration in your own words...

why would I engage in a debate with you over the Biden's failures when you are BLATANTLY LYING (or forgetting...tends to happen with the elderly) about me voting for Trump, which is laughable if you simply do a search for my posts in these political threads. You, like many other libs, don't operate in good faith, so I'm not going to debate with you, and I really don't have to. Biden's approval rating speak for itself.

Funny how so many that voted for Trump and pushed the false equivalencies take no responsibility...

Anecdotal - I have friends that encouraged me to vote Trump and are now saying they didn't vote him.

And of course you won't substantially engage - you got nothin' other than tweets and more false equivalencies. I would expect nothing less.

TGW's stated views prior to Trump's arrival on the political scene were pretty heavily at odds with him voting for Trump or any Republican. I also don't recall him ever claiming he voted for Trump, or encouraging anyone else to do so, though he had plenty of harsh words for HRC. I don't have any basis for claiming he did vote for Trump, and would not lump him in with some others we have encountered who claimed to be lifetime Democrats and Obama supporters but were thoroughly unconvincing.

I have never voted for a Republican in my life (well one, and he was openly gay and quit the party before the next election largely due to its homophobia), but similar accusations have been directed at me, so maybe I just have more sympathy for people that don't fit neatly into the two party model. I understand party unity and balancing ideals against supporting the candidate closest to your ideals among the two with a chance of winning, but variations of the "anyone that is not 100% with us is the enemy" argument leaves me routinely counted as the enemy. I feel your pain, TGW, but usually when people are flat out wrong, they didn't get there by logic, and I can't debate them with logic, so there's little to discuss.

Trump's administration was a triumph for the Republican Party, a coming out party for filthy rich hedonism, a great unfettering of openly racist views, an assault on the civil rights of minorities, women, non-binaries, (and probably dogs and cats too), and an announcement that the Republican Party was prepared to employ all instruments of power and propaganda to subvert election outcomes. Something for everybody.

Beyond that, I see the Trump years (Pt. 1?) as a total failure which weakened the US and necessarily made many things remarkably and unnecessarily difficult for the current president. It would have also made things remarkably difficult for Trump had he won, but I don't think he would have noticed. I'm not a Biden fan and never have been (going back to the Thomas hearings, the plagiarism, etc.), but at least a simple majority of anti-Biden rhetoric is politics rather than policy, fueled by Trump, the RNC, and Fox. I am disappointed but not really surprised by Biden's presidency, but his and the Democratic Party's stated goals remain at least nominally aligned with my hopes, even if the execution has been pretty bad. Nothing about Biden is making me wish for the days of Trollin' Tantrump.

Regarding the particulars of the comparison, I will let the others do a much better job than I would. Wizpride already touched on one (inflation as a worldwide phenomenon) that I think is obvious. The economy sucks right now, and while that may be primarily attributable to Covid, it's an unfortunate fact of life that the president is frequently blamed for things beyond his (or her) control. Don't become president if you're not prepared to take the blame for virtually everything. Speaking of which, I saw Trump asked in an interview if he had ever made a mistake. He literally could not even fabricate an example from childhood. His lack of accountability tested even my jaded perspective, almost like he was not a person but a two-dimensional cartoon character defined as a "whiney, thin-skinned, bellicose finger pointer" in the script instructions, and every time the character appears he must strongly display at least one of these traits, but never really needs to show any other dimension.

Just a reminder to all, don't fall into name calling (like "idiot," for example). TGW, dck, cakes, etc., are better versed in policy issues than I am, and I don't like interrupting the flow.

[Zonkerbl]

TGW may be the world's most irritating sore loser and he may be a little nuts and he sure talks like someone who voted for Trump but I guess he says he didn't so... :shrug:

[Zonkerbl]

I love that accusing someone of voting for Trump is fighting words now

[pancakes3]

he's just an extreme bernie bro.