Jump into the Poole Party: The Official Jordan Poole Thread

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Poole is currently 6th in the league in 3 pointers made per game .

How many 3-pointers a guy makes per game is NOT a measure of how good he is. Any more than how many points a guy scores per game is a measure of how good he is.

You win games by 1) having more possessions than the opponent &/or 2) scoring more efficiently in those possessions.

If you do both, you cannot lose. Period. That's just arithmetic.
If you do neither, you cannot win. Period. Ditto -- arithmetic.

No exceptions.

So it matters how many possessions you gain or lose for your team. & it matters how efficiently you score your points. Because, essentially, those are the only things you can do to help your team win.*

Jordan is scoring efficiently -- he's posting a .591 TS% on high usage. That's good.

But Jordan also turns the ball over a whole lot, gets 1/2 the offensive boards average for a 2 guard, & fouls 50% more often than average for a 2 guard.

The overall result is that he is way way worse than average for an NBA guard.

Is he better than last year? Sure! But, so what? He's not good. Period. There is no counter-argument.

* I say "essentially," because assists & blocks & defensive boards also help, of course. But they are relatively minor compared to the above.

Tontoz posted a simple statistical fact. I don’t think he was suggesting that Poole is a good player.

Not sure why you think it required an explanation of what constitutes a good player.

I think I'd just had a 2d afternoon coffee -- sorry tontoz!!

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Btw, I don't mind when people tell me I repeat myself -- it's just when they say it over & over again it drives me nuts. If you know what I mean....

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

They don't respect their elders.

I feel blessed to be alive and just a fraction of who I was. Life has humbled me a bit.

Jordan Poole? Who cares either way? This team? Come on, man. We're all masochists. Loyal masochists hoping and praying for Cooper Flagg.

That's the common ground.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If last year didn't happen, and this seasons JP was his 1st here, the entire narrative about him would be different.

This is exactly the player we all thought and hoped we were getting when we made the trade. We'd all be reveling in the fact we got this dude for a washed up Beal, and the perception of him around the league would be highly regarded.

Unfortunately last year did happen, and as the saying goes you only get 1 chance to make a 1st impression. But this season JP really has been nothing but a class act on and off the court. He's been a leader, he's been a good teammate, and he's been engaging with the fans. And he's been productive on the court, and at times spectacular.

[tontoz]

If last year didn't happen, and this seasons JP was his 1st here, the entire narrative about him would be different.

This is exactly the player we all thought and hoped we were getting when we made the trade. We'd all be reveling in the fact we got this dude for a washed up Beal, and the perception of him around the league would be highly regarded.

Unfortunately last year did happen, and as the saying goes you only get 1 chance to make a 1st impression. But this season JP really has been nothing but a class act on and off the court. He's been a leader, he's been a good teammate, and he's been engaging with the fans. And he's been productive on the court, and at times spectacular.

He's been spectacular only in relation to how bad he was last season. Realistically he has been good at 2 things, shooting 3s and free throws.

He's shooting 46.6% on 2s which is awful, he can't defend and he turns it over too much. His out of control drives really kill his offensive effectiveness.

[TheBlackCzar]

Da boy put up 45 tonight.....

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[pancakes3]

I wonder how high we can sell Poole, and to whom we can sell him to. Rockets could use him after having buyer's remorse with FVV. Minny is in win-now and could use him as Conley is too old and Dillingham is too young. Sacramento could use him too but i have no idea what that franchise is doing. Magic could use a pg too, as well as the 3 point shooting.

[DCZards]

I wonder how high we can sell Poole, and to whom we can sell him to. Rockets could use him after having buyer's remorse with FVV. Minny is in win-now and could use him as Conley is too old and Dillingham is too young. Sacramento could use him too but i have no idea what that franchise is doing. Magic could use a pg too, as well as the 3 point shooting.

What makes you think that Houston is having buyer’s remorse with FVV? Adding his vet presence to the roster last season was a big reason for Houston’s turnaround.

There are indeed teams that could use Poole but they likely don’t want to take on his big salary.

Plus he’s been mostly terrible lately. Definitely wouldn’t be selling high…but there are still some teams who could benefit from his scoring and 3 pt shooting.

[penbeast0]

If last year didn't happen, and this seasons JP was his 1st here, the entire narrative about him would be different.

This is exactly the player we all thought and hoped we were getting when we made the trade. We'd all be reveling in the fact we got this dude for a washed up Beal, and the perception of him around the league would be highly regarded.

Unfortunately last year did happen, and as the saying goes you only get 1 chance to make a 1st impression. But this season JP really has been nothing but a class act on and off the court. He's been a leader, he's been a good teammate, and he's been engaging with the fans. And he's been productive on the court, and at times spectacular.

In fact we have been celebrating that we got him for Beal (though we actually got him for Chris Paul who we got for Beal). Its just that he isn't a very good player. He's Kuzma 2.0, good personality guy that thinks he's a star without star talent.

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I wonder how high we can sell Poole, and to whom we can sell him to. Rockets could use him after having buyer's remorse with FVV. Minny is in win-now and could use him as Conley is too old and Dillingham is too young. Sacramento could use him too but i have no idea what that franchise is doing. Magic could use a pg too, as well as the 3 point shooting.

What makes you think that Houston is having buyer’s remorse with FVV? Adding his vet presence to the roster last season was a big reason for Houston’s turnaround.

There are indeed teams that could use Poole but they likely don’t want to take on his big salary.

Plus he’s been mostly terrible lately. Definitely wouldn’t be selling high…but there are still some teams who could benefit from his scoring and 3 pt shooting.

Sengun and Green hitting are the reasons for Houston's turnaround. FVV has not been good for them. Overall scoring and efficiency are bad. Drafted Reed Sheppard. I don't think they're happy with him; I wouldn't be.

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I wonder how high we can sell Poole, and to whom we can sell him to. Rockets could use him after having buyer's remorse with FVV. Minny is in win-now and could use him as Conley is too old and Dillingham is too young. Sacramento could use him too but i have no idea what that franchise is doing. Magic could use a pg too, as well as the 3 point shooting.

What makes you think that Houston is having buyer’s remorse with FVV? Adding his vet presence to the roster last season was a big reason for Houston’s turnaround.

There are indeed teams that could use Poole but they likely don’t want to take on his big salary.

Plus he’s been mostly terrible lately. Definitely wouldn’t be selling high…but there are still some teams who could benefit from his scoring and 3 pt shooting.

Sengun and Green hitting are the reasons for Houston's turnaround. FVV has not been good for them. Overall scoring and efficiency are bad. Drafted Reed Sheppard. I don't think they're happy with him; I wouldn't be.

I disagree. The growth of Sengun and Green--and the improvement of Houston as a team--were due, at least in part, to the addition of vets like FVV and Dillon Brooks. They brought oncourt stability...especially since Green is not a PG and adding FVV allowed him to play his more natural SG position.

[tontoz]

What makes you think that Houston is having buyer’s remorse with FVV? Adding his vet presence to the roster last season was a big reason for Houston’s turnaround.

There are indeed teams that could use Poole but they likely don’t want to take on his big salary.

Plus he’s been mostly terrible lately. Definitely wouldn’t be selling high…but there are still some teams who could benefit from his scoring and 3 pt shooting.

Sengun and Green hitting are the reasons for Houston's turnaround. FVV has not been good for them. Overall scoring and efficiency are bad. Drafted Reed Sheppard. I don't think they're happy with him; I wouldn't be.

I disagree. The growth of Sengun and Green--and the improvement of Houston as a team--were due, at least in part, to the addition of vets like FVV and Dillon Brooks. They brought oncourt stability...especially since Green is not a PG and adding FVV allowed him to play his more natural SG position.

I think the plan is to have Reed replacing FVV, with Amen as the primary ball handler in the half court. Amen is averaging over 6 assists per game this month. At the least i would expect Amen/Reed to split ball handling duties.

[pcbothwel]

I think we are aiming to take a big swing in 27/28 given the current timeline. I think we move Midds & Smart for a pick or two and take on salary through 26/27 to align with Poole's contract. But I cant see us looking to take on salary past that point.
27/28 will be the last year of rookie deals for Sarr/Bubs/Ky/AJ, and they'll be accompanied by Bilal, Flagg/Harper, 2026 1st as the foundation for the next 8-10 years. The 2027 FA Class will be RIDICULOUS... Giannis, Jokic, AD, KAT, Donovan Mitchell, etc.

[AFM]

Nice article on Poole

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6157079/2025/02/25/jordan-poole-wizards-brian-keefe/

What the statistics don’t capture is Poole’s intangible impact within the Wizards’ locker room. Almost everyone within the organization — his teammates, his coaches and members of the front office — says Poole has developed into a leader, providing a relentlessly positive and calming voice to first- and second-year players Bub Carrington, Bilal Coulibaly, Kyshawn George and Alex Sarr. Rather than allow the avalanche of losses to sap his spirit, Poole instead has bought into the front office’s plan to play youngsters heavy minutes right away in the hope that they, and the franchise, will benefit in the long run.

Poole now is one of the Wizards’ best long-range shooters, but he has often reminded the trio of rookies — Carrington, George and Sarr — that he once struggled to adjust to the longer 3-point distance in the pros. Poole told them he made only 27.9 percent of his 3-point attempts in his first season with the Golden State Warriors. His message still resonates, the rookies say, because it tells them that others have endured the same difficulties but ultimately overcame them.

“He’s positive 99 percent of the time and always has a smile on his face and always pushes us to be better and get better,” George says. “Also, he understands the challenges of being a rookie … and makes sure our heads never drop.”

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Sengun and Green hitting are the reasons for Houston's turnaround. FVV has not been good for them. Overall scoring and efficiency are bad. Drafted Reed Sheppard. I don't think they're happy with him; I wouldn't be.

That's just not true.
Fred VanVleet had a tremendous year last year, maybe his best year ever. He's not playing at that level this year, but he's still well above average.

Not only that, but Jalen Green "hitting" is a myth. He's a volume shooter at below average %. A guard version of Kuzma to be sure.

For that matter, tho Sengun has been pretty good, he isn't anything special either -- at least not yet. Nor has Jabari Smith performed particularly well in his 3d year. Getting there somewhat, but still nothing special.

There three best players -- by far! -- are Amen Thompson, Tari Eason & the venerable Steven Adams.

Thompson looks to be on a path to superstardom. Just turned 22 & is already dominant.

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YMCA Jordan Poole

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YMCA Jordan Poole

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YMCA Jordan Poole

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