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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#421 » by payitforward » Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:34 am

tontoz wrote:Nice to see him hitting the boards but a 50% TS is still lame.

17 on 15 & 2 is actually a .535 TS% -- still not good...
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Post#422 » by Dat2U » Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:50 pm

tontoz wrote:Nice to see him hitting the boards but a 50% TS is still lame.


Nonsense. Sarr is not 24 yrs old. This is part of the growing process. 17 & 14 is damn good for a 7-1 teenager. Only a stat nerd whines & complains about a young rookie's TS% in the early stages of a rebuild. How many teenagers you know have put up those raw numbers? Hint: it's a short list.

For young, developing players... production comes first and then the efficiency should improve over time.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#423 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:53 pm

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tontoz wrote:Nice to see him hitting the boards but a 50% TS is still lame.


Nonsense. Sarr is not 24 yrs old. This is part of the growing process. 17 & 14 is damn good for a 7-1 teenager. Only a stat nerd whines & complains about a young rookie's TS% in the early stages of a rebuild. How many teenagers you know have put up those raw numbers? Hint: it's a short list.

For young, developing players... production comes first and then the efficiency should improve over time.



He isn't a pg either. He's a 7 footer who is going to get a lot of easy baskets at the rim. His efficiency is awful.

If you can point out any other bigs in this draft who have been as inefficient on offense while also being lousy at man D feel free to share.

BTW Indy ranks 26th in defense and 23rd in rebounding.
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Post#424 » by Dat2U » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:06 pm

I tell you, DC is the only fan base that goes out of their way to hate on their young talent. It's not just Alex, I'm watching Jayden Daniels getting BBQ'd on X now. I remember all the random hate RG3 got when he put his body & career on the line for Skins. We trashed Wall & Beal until they became young all-stars, then continued to trash 'em thereafter. It's a built-in defense mechanism where we can't acknowledge any success or growth because we're so trained to brace for eventual failure.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#425 » by Dat2U » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:07 pm

tontoz wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
tontoz wrote:Nice to see him hitting the boards but a 50% TS is still lame.


Nonsense. Sarr is not 24 yrs old. This is part of the growing process. 17 & 14 is damn good for a 7-1 teenager. Only a stat nerd whines & complains about a young rookie's TS% in the early stages of a rebuild. How many teenagers you know have put up those raw numbers? Hint: it's a short list.

For young, developing players... production comes first and then the efficiency should improve over time.



He isn't a pg either. He's a 7 footer who is going to get a lot of easy baskets at the rim. His efficiency is awful.

If you can point out any other bigs in this draft who have been as inefficient on offense while also being lousy at man D feel free to share.

BTW Indy ranks 26th in defense and 23rd in rebounding.


Man, if only we had drafted Reed Sheppard. :roll:
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Post#426 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:17 pm

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Man, if only we had drafted Reed Sheppard. :roll:



In other words you cant defend Sarr's ineptitude so you have to change the subject. Sarr's inefficiency isnt something new. It was a national joke in summer league. I don't even pay attention to summer league but i couldn't help but hear about his brick fest.

There isn't a center in the NBA with a worse TS than Sarr. There are only 4 pfs that are worse and none of them play 20 minutes a game. It is a problem no matter how often you guys make excuses for him.

Teenagers getting drafted isn't a new thing. Sarr isn't even the youngest guy on this team.

Taking 15 shots and 4 foul shots to score 17 points isnt "great". Gleague Brown scored 15 in 12 minutes lol. I wonder why.

They were never going to draft Sheppard due to his size. That was obvious to most of us before the draft.
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Post#427 » by dobrojim » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:22 pm

19 yo, less than 20 games into his career.

Let's see how he plays after 120 games or in his 3rd year after he's filled out a little more.

I'm hopeful, assuming he doesn't suffer a nasty injury.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#428 » by willbcocks » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:28 pm

Another factor: we have no player who commands a double team or frees up his teammates for easy buckets. It's different if you start off on a team with Tre Young or LeBron; all our youngins are trying to create for themselves. Especially hard for a big.
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Post#429 » by DCZards » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:21 pm

dobrojim wrote:19 yo, less than 20 games into his career.

Let's see how he plays after 120 games or in his 3rd year after he's filled out a little more.

I'm hopeful, assuming he doesn't suffer a nasty injury.

This really is the bottom line. Sarr needs—and deserves—time to develop. I think most Zards’ fans recognize that.
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Post#430 » by TheBlackCzar » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:36 pm

Dat2U wrote:I tell you, DC is the only fan base that goes out of their way to hate on their young talent. It's not just Alex, I'm watching Jayden Daniels getting BBQ'd on X now. I remember all the random hate RG3 got when he put his body & career on the line for Skins. We trashed Wall & Beal until they became young all-stars, then continued to trash 'em thereafter. It's a built-in defense mechanism where we can't acknowledge any success or growth because we're so trained to brace for eventual failure.



Dat this is bigger than just on young stars... DC is a hating ass region of people period... I have never understood why, but haters galore persist here, which is why so many don't come back home and help as much as they could, or they be low key and outta the way...

As adults this is something that needs to be addressed and stopped....


As far as Sarr is concerned it's pretty obvious him being a skinny teenager is having an affect on his shooting, rebounding and defense.... But to sit here and watch him guard Halliburton multiple times and forcing Tyrese to stay on the perimeter because he couldn't get by young Boy, I'm like are you not seeing the vision.... When he inevitably adds weight he's going to finish better, hold his ground better as an anchor, and he's already challenging everything at the rim, sometimes to the detriment of rebounding but, focus on what he could be... I remember when we had CWebb.... I remember when Chris was acting like a PG trying to bring the ball up and facilitate offense, and they wanted him to be more conventional like Juwan was.... He showed flashes of what he could do with the ball in his hands besides scoring, and the organization stymied and eventually let go of this uber talented player...... He then goes on to Sac and they embrace his vision of his play style, and become a dominant force for years as a result.....

I've seen Sarr cross over dudes, behind the back dribble bringing the ball up and then hitting a nice bounce pass off the dribble to a cutting player and I'm like hmmmmm, what do we have here.... He is one of the few humans on earth who is as agile, tall and athletic as he is...... He definitely has some things to work on with his game but I think all these youngings we've got are hungry.... This season is a lesson in what you have to do to win.... You can't play good for some of the game, you have to ball out all game, everyday... These youngings seeing it first hand..... Brogdon coming back is a big thing to me because I'm watching the little things he's doing to boost our young boys up..... It was a play when Bub was coming downcourt trailing Brodgon, (Bub thought he had a wide open 3 from the top of the key) however unbeknownst to Bub there was a trailing defender behind him, then Bub rolled to the wing from the top of the key and JV took his place, shielded the defender from getting the ball, received a pass from Brogdon, then passed back to Brogdon who rolled behind JV's screen to pass to Bub this time for a wide open 3 on the wing, and after Bub swished the shot, Brogdon started celebrating profusely, and Bub was just smiling in response... I watched as Bub went from like damn you not going to pass me the ball, seeing why he didn't get the ball, then continuing to move then getting a better situation to shoot in, and realizing it all in real time based off his facial expressions.... Those kinds of things are not easily quantifiable and really why we don't need to have 12 kids on the team at once.... I've grown to like Jordan Poole a lot because of his encouraging nature, from being mic'd up, to giving back to the city... I'm loving these youngings more than I have in years....



Come on Bullets/Wizards fans lets enjoy the ride.... Sometimes you gotta take 2 steps back to go 3 steps forward.... We've never done that until now.... Let's let things develop before we automatically wanna shade everything.... This regime so far has shown an enhanced ability to scout, select and develop young players better than I've ever seen us do it.... That includes what occurred with Deni and Keefe last year.... we continue to draft and develop we have a bright future.....

I havent felt like we've had a competent FO in forever, so not getting totally fleeced on trades, picking guys nobody knew were good and them having potentially very good ceilings is something new for us... Embrace it, love it, enjoy it.... Smile more people.....
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#431 » by Benjammin » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:54 pm

The DMV attracts people (technology, military, government) who are over-educated, self-important, and believe their ish doesn't stink. You don't end up there by accident unless you're from there. There is little to no community connection or civic pride. The Redskins did foster some of that in the 70s and 80s and for the hardcore folks the Bullets did as well.

Otherwise, it's not suprising that haters are going to hate. Enduring many years of ineptitude doesn't help either.
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Post#432 » by DCZards » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:39 pm

TheBlackCzar wrote:As far as Sarr is concerned it's pretty obvious him being a skinny teenager is having an affect on his shooting, rebounding and defense.... But to sit here and watch him guard Halliburton multiple times and forcing Tyrese to stay on the perimeter because he couldn't get by young Boy, I'm like are you not seeing the vision....

I've seen Sarr cross over dudes, behind the back dribble bringing the ball up and then hitting a nice bounce pass off the dribble to a cutting player and I'm like hmmmmm, what do we have here.... He is one of the few humans on earth who is as agile, tall and athletic as he is......

I’ve also seen Sarr pull down a defensive rebound, rapidly dribble from end-to-end, and finish at the rim with a soft touch. Not many 7 footers can do that...especially at 19 yrs old.

The kid’s potential is kinda obvious.
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Post#433 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:54 pm

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TheBlackCzar wrote:As far as Sarr is concerned it's pretty obvious him being a skinny teenager is having an affect on his shooting, rebounding and defense.... But to sit here and watch him guard Halliburton multiple times and forcing Tyrese to stay on the perimeter because he couldn't get by young Boy, I'm like are you not seeing the vision....

I've seen Sarr cross over dudes, behind the back dribble bringing the ball up and then hitting a nice bounce pass off the dribble to a cutting player and I'm like hmmmmm, what do we have here.... He is one of the few humans on earth who is as agile, tall and athletic as he is......

I’ve also seen Sarr pull down a defensive rebound, rapidly dribble from end-to-end, and finish at the rim with a soft touch. Not many 7 footers can do that...especially at 19 yrs old.

The kid’s potential is kinda obvious.



So are his shortcomings. If he can't guard opposing bigs it wont matter how well he guards Haliburton, who is off to a really rough start this season.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#434 » by TheBlackCzar » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:28 pm

tontoz wrote:
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TheBlackCzar wrote:As far as Sarr is concerned it's pretty obvious him being a skinny teenager is having an affect on his shooting, rebounding and defense.... But to sit here and watch him guard Halliburton multiple times and forcing Tyrese to stay on the perimeter because he couldn't get by young Boy, I'm like are you not seeing the vision....

I've seen Sarr cross over dudes, behind the back dribble bringing the ball up and then hitting a nice bounce pass off the dribble to a cutting player and I'm like hmmmmm, what do we have here.... He is one of the few humans on earth who is as agile, tall and athletic as he is......

I’ve also seen Sarr pull down a defensive rebound, rapidly dribble from end-to-end, and finish at the rim with a soft touch. Not many 7 footers can do that...especially at 19 yrs old.

The kid’s potential is kinda obvious.



So are his shortcomings. If he can't guard opposing bigs it wont matter how well he guards Haliburton, who is off to a really rough start this season.



what do halliburton having a rough start got to do with the mans foot speed and agility... wtf are you even talking about....
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#435 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:35 pm

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what do halliburton having a rough start got to do with the mans foot speed and agility... wtf are you even talking about....


Haliburton has been a shell of himself so far this season. I haven't heard of an injury but his lack of production certainly suggests it.

Haliburton is shooting 47% on 2s this year which is 10% worse than last season. His attempts at the rim are at a career low. I am sure all of this is news to you. I wouldn't cite defending him as a feather in Sarr's cap because he is clearly struggling.

Meanwhile the bigs that Sarr has been defending definitely aren't struggling against him.
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Post#436 » by DCZards » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:03 pm

tontoz wrote:Meanwhile the bigs that Sarr has been defending definitely aren't struggling against him.

Sarr has struggled against 3 bigs…Sengun, Jackson III and Wemby. All of them are all-star level talent and the last two did most of their damage from the perimeter.

In the last 3 games, Towns had 24pts, which is 2pts below his average; Queta (Boston) had 7pts; and Turner had 10pts last night, which is 6pts below his average.

Not saying that Sarr doesn’t have to get much better defensively…but his problem guarding bigs are not as bad as you make it out to be.

Plus the way NBA offenses and defenses are today, it’s often difficult to know for sure who’s guarding who.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#437 » by tontoz » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:16 pm

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tontoz wrote:Meanwhile the bigs that Sarr has been defending definitely aren't struggling against him.

Sarr has struggled against 3 bigs…Sengun, Jackson III and Wemby. All of them are all-star level talent and the last two did most of their damage from the perimeter.

In the last 3 games, Towns had 24pts, which is 2pts below his average; Queta (Boston) had 7pts; and Turner had 10pts last night, which is 6pts below his average.

Not saying that Sarr doesn’t have to get much better defensively…but his problem guarding bigs are not as bad as you make it out to be.

Plus the way NBA offenses and defenses are today, it’s often difficult to know for sure who’s guarding who.


Denial is not a river in Egypt. Looks like i will have to start posting video clips. He's getting roasted near the rim.

Indy was so desperate for front court help they brought up Brown from the Gleague and he had 15 points in 12 minutes.
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Post#438 » by 9 and 20 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:41 pm

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Impressive level of hate. Have to respect it.

DC as the center of all hate also getting hated on - there are levels to this.
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Post#439 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:42 pm

Dat2U wrote:I tell you, DC is the only fan base that goes out of their way to hate on their young talent. It's not just Alex, I'm watching Jayden Daniels getting BBQ'd on X now. I remember all the random hate RG3 got when he put his body & career on the line for Skins. We trashed Wall & Beal until they became young all-stars, then continued to trash 'em thereafter. It's a built-in defense mechanism where we can't acknowledge any success or growth because we're so trained to brace for eventual failure.
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Daniels is already getting the RG3 treatment. Great observation, Dat.

So is Siebert. That dude beat the Giants singlehandedly. He was perfect for several games in and was a hero. Then he got hurt. I think he came off the IL too soon.

One area I disagree Dat is that it's not just DC. Philadelphia hates Embiid. He gave them MVP play.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#440 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:53 pm

tontoz wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Man, if only we had drafted Reed Sheppard. :roll:



In other words you cant defend Sarr's ineptitude so you have to change the subject. Sarr's inefficiency isnt something new. It was a national joke in summer league. I don't even pay attention to summer league but i couldn't help but hear about his brick fest.

There isn't a center in the NBA with a worse TS than Sarr. There are only 4 pfs that are worse and none of them play 20 minutes a game. It is a problem no matter how often you guys make excuses for him.

Teenagers getting drafted isn't a new thing. Sarr isn't even the youngest guy on this team.

Taking 15 shots and 4 foul shots to score 17 points isnt "great". Gleague Brown scored 15 in 12 minutes lol. I wonder why.

They were never going to draft Sheppard due to his size. That was obvious to most of us before the draft.
Based on what he did in college (which was pretty incredible over time) and how he dominated summer league, I'm quite confident that Reed Sheppard will be a useful role player.

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