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It's just **** sad to see that the staff put up with this ridiculous defense. It's infuriating really now that I see the results of the other games.
We stunk on defense across the board. Not a single person was able to stay with their man and Haywood was easily the worst offender tonight.
He was absolutely lost all night. Bogut with 20 on 8 for 12 shooting is all you really need to know.
That stiff didn't even have to try. Haywood has flat out sucked for the past 6 games, and Butler hasn't been any better on defense either.
Right now we have exactly one guy willing to play defense and that's Stevenson. Everybody else is just completely freaking lost.
We stunk on defense across the board. Not a single person was able to stay with their man and Haywood was easily the worst offender tonight.
He was absolutely lost all night. Bogut with 20 on 8 for 12 shooting is all you really need to know.
That stiff didn't even have to try. Haywood has flat out sucked for the past 6 games, and Butler hasn't been any better on defense either.
Right now we have exactly one guy willing to play defense and that's Stevenson. Everybody else is just completely freaking lost.
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:fishercob wrote:CCJ, I just don't think Blatche is as good as we all want him to be right now. His mental game is a complete mess.
I agree.
But guess what? He's still tall and highly skilled.
I don't care if he's got rocks for brains he's a better defender than Jamison. I think he'll give the team some interior passing and finishes when open that they don't get.
The Wizards IMO will be better with Blatche and Haywood at PF and C now that Gilbert is back.
I can't really say why that makes sense given Jamison's by far the leader in +/- on this team.
I just think as the season's gone on the Wizards have gone soft defensively and on the boards and the easy remedy is to put size in the game.
If Deshawn and AJ are out the Wizards could play AD, Gilbert, Caron, AB, and BH.
RM NY DS8 and DM can get it done off the bench
Some thing - different day. 2 years of wishing and counting.
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hands11, please do yourself a favor and rewatch the game.
If you honestly think Arenas had anything to do with how terrible our defense played you've got no clue.
The team didn't play defense during any stretch of the game, whether Arenas was on the bench or in the game. On top of that nobody bothered to box out.
We lost the game on poor defense, poor free throw shooting, being careless with the ball and being out hustled on the glass.
This game was almost like a scrimmage. Nobody took the opponent serious, and that includes the coaches.
If you honestly think Arenas had anything to do with how terrible our defense played you've got no clue.
The team didn't play defense during any stretch of the game, whether Arenas was on the bench or in the game. On top of that nobody bothered to box out.
We lost the game on poor defense, poor free throw shooting, being careless with the ball and being out hustled on the glass.
This game was almost like a scrimmage. Nobody took the opponent serious, and that includes the coaches.
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bulletproof_32 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I was wondering the same thing.
I actually thought that Gil made the right move to leave Sessions and try to crowd Bogut, because I didn't think it was possible to get a shot off with 1.1 on the clock from someone other than the initial recipient of the inbound pass.
Wait. I thought that was AD "guarding" Sessions.
Which would have made AD the goat twice over for not
hustling after AJ's tip into the backcourt.
But the last play was a perfect example of my principle complaint
all year. A guy cheats off his man, accomplishing nothing but giving
him just enough room to shoot. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) home timekeeper too.
Should have never come to that though. If DS wasn't fouled a
couple plays before that you may as well take fouls out of the
rulebook. In recent years I think Javie has actually become a
pretty decent ref. But that was an absolutely horrible no call.
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Uh, if it makes you Wizards fans feel better, Sessions is a legi player. He was great at the pre-draft camps. Plus unlike Mo Wiliams he plays D and distributes. He got in for a quarter against the Celtics and brought the Bucks close. I hope your injuries are minor.
lawry beard wrote:Does anyone else find it ironic that the only player in the NBA the bucks can shut down is Bogut?
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ZonkertheBrainless wrote:couldn't play one measly second of defense... god! And what's with the idiot time keeper waiting so long to start the clock????
Since I recorded the game on DVR, I went back to see what happened. I'm in the video business, so you can take this to the bank. I checked it at least 4 times with the same result going frame-by-frame. Every 3 frames is 1 tenth of a sec. 30 frames per sec. At least in regular NTSC video. HD can be different.
Once the ball was in the MIL players hands the clock should have started. It didn't start until he almost was done releasing it.
Exactly 3 tenths of a second ( 9 frames ) went by before the clock guy started the clock. You can verify this by counting all the frames that passed ( 12 in total or 4ths of a sec ) then subtracting the last 3 frames or 1th because that 1 th since it take that 1 tenth till you see the number change.
So the clock was 3 tenths of a sec slow.
The shooter still had the ball in his hands with tenths of a sec remaining.
At home you would expect the clock keeper to error on the side of the home team but he missed the mark. We actually should have won even with the defensive line up we had and no D all game.
3 tenth is huge. Imaging of your coach was 3 tenths slow timing you in the 40. That's the difference between you running a 4.7 or a 5.0
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dobrojim wrote:Wait. I thought that was AD "guarding" Sessions.
Which would have made AD the goat twice over for not
hustling after AJ's tip into the backcourt.
Nope. It was definitely Arenas.
I wonder if time would have expired if AD did what Ruffin was 'trying' to do last season -- just throw the ball up in the air until time expired.
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hermitkid wrote:hands11, please do yourself a favor and rewatch the game.
If you honestly think Arenas had anything to do with how terrible our defense played you've got no clue.
The team didn't play defense during any stretch of the game, whether Arenas was on the bench or in the game. On top of that nobody bothered to box out.
We lost the game on poor defense, poor free throw shooting, being careless with the ball and being out hustled on the glass.
This game was almost like a scrimmage. Nobody took the opponent serious, and that includes the coaches.
Classy post. Keep up the good work. And thanks for taking to time to share you view of my clue status. That was a vital piece of information in making the rest of your view understood. Did you take Dale Dale Carnegie or something?
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dobrojim wrote:Wait. I thought that was AD "guarding" Sessions.
Which would have made AD the goat twice over for not
hustling after AJ's tip into the backcourt.
But the last play was a perfect example of my principle complaint
all year. A guy cheats off his man, accomplishing nothing but giving
him just enough room to shoot. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) home timekeeper too.
Should have never come to that though. If DS wasn't fouled a
couple plays before that you may as well take fouls out of the
rulebook. In recent years I think Javie has actually become a
pretty decent ref. But that was an absolutely horrible no call.
It was definitely GA face guarding Sessions on the last possession and I think he had the right idea by following the inbound pass to Bogut (although he was a bit late getting there and got caught in no man
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miller31time wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Nope. It was definitely Arenas.
I wonder if time would have expired if AD did what Ruffin was 'trying' to do last season -- just throw the ball up in the air until time expired.
Sure it could have but AD never actually touched the ball. It went over his head. Maybe he could have lunged for it but he was kind of looking up trying to find the ball. Once he spotted it he accelerated towards it but that other ass was there first and called a TO.
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Brace yourself for bad news on the Jamison front tomorrow guys...
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/04/jamison_stevenson_injured.html
The loss was rough but the news afterward was worse. Antawn Jamison suffered a sprained right shoulder while diving into the stands to save that ball with less than two seconds remaining. He appeared to be in serious pain after the game but was in the trainer's room getting treatment so he did not speak to reporters. X-rays were done on his shoulder but the team did not reveal the results. We'll know more tomorrow but it didn't look too good.
DeShawn Stevenson sprained his left ankle on the same play and was helped off the court. He was limping afterward but said x-rays were negative. "It feels bad," Stevenson said. "I am going to ice it down and get treatment tomorrow. I am going to try to practice. If I can't, I'll just get some more ice. Hopefully, I can play in the next game."
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newslowsad wrote:Brace yourself for bad news on the Jamison front tomorrow guys...http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/04/jamison_stevenson_injured.html
The loss was rough but the news afterward was worse. Antawn Jamison suffered a sprained right shoulder while diving into the stands to save that ball with less than two seconds remaining. He appeared to be in serious pain after the game but was in the trainer's room getting treatment so he did not speak to reporters. X-rays were done on his shoulder but the team did not reveal the results. We'll know more tomorrow but it didn't look too good.
DeShawn Stevenson sprained his left ankle on the same play and was helped off the court. He was limping afterward but said x-rays were negative. "It feels bad," Stevenson said. "I am going to ice it down and get treatment tomorrow. I am going to try to practice. If I can't, I'll just get some more ice. Hopefully, I can play in the next game."
We're entering and exceeding unprecedented territory with these injury situations.
My guesses (out of nowhere, just a gut feeling)...
Jamison out for 2-3 weeks
Stevenson out for 2-3 games
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Citizen.Eras3d wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That stiff is averaging 16/10/3/2 in the last 40 games
Honestly, the Bucks are far more talented than their record.
Sessions is no bum. He absolutely destroyed D-League competition and is a strong 2-way player, good enough to be a decent starter.
Charlie V is a strong offensive player.
Simmons, when healthy, produces on a par with with what Butler did before stepping his game up this past year. Bobby Simmons is a good player.
Bogut's improved tremendously and he thoroughly out played Haywood.
Ivey always looks good against the Wizards.
Mo Williams is a Wizard killer and I'm surprised he wasn't the one that hit the last shot.
Wizards fans should wake up to the fact the loss was no fluke and that the Wizards are no better than the Bucks when they forget completely about defense.
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We lost on the buzzer guys after playing crappy defense. I'm just looking at how the individual players look for the playoffs. Gil is finally in and offensively hes contributing already. I expect his overall game to improve. HE was a step slow getting to Bogut trying to crowd the pass and almost immediately closed out on session. Sequence should have gone our way except as hands says the clock was .3 secs slow and sessions hit. I don't think sessions is a scrub btw. I'm not gonna disparage players who we would be excited about if they came here. I just want him to be ready for the playoffs even if its at the cost of bad plays during the regular season.
Nick young is becomming more and more comfortable. I expected him to have better numbers than Redd. I expect Nick to peak higher than Michael redd. Charlie V scored 50 points once. I'm not surprised when he gives numbers, Bogut is also really solid. Roger Mason is ready for the playoffs, Blatche is rounding off, so those guys are peaking.
My concern is DS's injury, but he doesnt miss alot of games, hopefully carons wrist heals, Jamison feels better and Haywood gets back into form.
The regular season is an audition. It's time to prepare for the playoffs and get everyone ready. Get the players into rhythm offensively, then also defensively. get them healthy. give everyone a chance to gain confidence so atleast this time we are all in it together. Gil is back. Remember how long we've been waiting for him. Thats more significant than a last second lucky loss. I'm not saying defense is unimportant. I'm just saying lets be grateful we got one more piece of the puzzle back to play. I wouldn't criticize him right now cause he's not fully in game shape, yet he gave us something
Nick young is becomming more and more comfortable. I expected him to have better numbers than Redd. I expect Nick to peak higher than Michael redd. Charlie V scored 50 points once. I'm not surprised when he gives numbers, Bogut is also really solid. Roger Mason is ready for the playoffs, Blatche is rounding off, so those guys are peaking.
My concern is DS's injury, but he doesnt miss alot of games, hopefully carons wrist heals, Jamison feels better and Haywood gets back into form.
The regular season is an audition. It's time to prepare for the playoffs and get everyone ready. Get the players into rhythm offensively, then also defensively. get them healthy. give everyone a chance to gain confidence so atleast this time we are all in it together. Gil is back. Remember how long we've been waiting for him. Thats more significant than a last second lucky loss. I'm not saying defense is unimportant. I'm just saying lets be grateful we got one more piece of the puzzle back to play. I wouldn't criticize him right now cause he's not fully in game shape, yet he gave us something
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Agree with CCJ. The Bux definitely have some talent. And if it's any consolation, Bux fans are ready to elect Sessions to the HOF and to the US Senate right now. And I think Simmons is finally back. They have enough talent to win - even while Redd has one of his bad days - which happens with more and more frequency.
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Ruzious wrote:Agree with CCJ. The Bux definitely have some talent. And if it's any consolation, Bux fans are ready to elect Sessions to the HOF and to the US Senate right now. And I think Simmons is finally back. They have enough talent to win - even while Redd has one of his bad days - which happens with more and more frequency.
That said, no-excuse for losing last night.












