Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two...

[Ruzious]

SuperB, DWilliams and Kieff might be a very nice combo in time - size, athleticism, offense/defense, versatility.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

SuperB, DWilliams and Kieff might be a very nice combo in time - size, athleticism, offense/defense, versatility.

Yeah I really like Markieff. If we can come out of this draft with DWilliams and Markieff Morris I will be thrilled. Markieff has the legit size and physicality to be a solid starting PF. He can do a bit of everything, rebound, score, pass, set picks, shoot, defend. I really like a Morris/Willams combo. And work that tandem into a mix with Blatche, Booker and Lewis, and that's a real solid frontcourt. Maybe hold on to Mo Evans? Jeffers?

With that upgrade at the forwards, I think we can get by with our current center assortment McGee, Seraphin, Yi, NDiaye for another year. Possibly add another vet to the mix via FA or trade??

Our backcourt is focused on the Wall, Crawford, Young rotation. Add Nolan Smith in the 2nd round??

[SUPERBALLMAN]

For reference, here's that picture of Kanter (#0), Terrance Jones (#3) (and Rod Strickland!!!) again, probably taken in mid to late 2010.....

The Hoops Summit April 2010 measurements for Kanter were....

Height: 6'10.5
Weight: 255
Wingspan: 7'1

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nik ... -One-3429/

Standing Reach is supposedly 9'1".

Terrence Jones was measured in July of 2009 at the Le Bon Bon camp as being....

Height: 6'8"
Weight: 219
Wingspan: 7'

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/w ... Roster.pdf

Draw whatever conclusions you will.

Kanter was born on 5/20/92, so he had probably just turned 18 before the measurements. And he likely hasn't shrunk. 2.5 inches taller than Jones looks about right from that picture. No, he's not a 7 footer with great length, but Kanter is a freaking moose - bigger than a semi-moose like Horford. I'd expect when he's full grown, 6'11 270ish will be his ideal playing size. He is not going to be under-sized.

height with shoes: 6'10.5

"with shoes" probably means he's actually 6-8. I always have hated that. Just measure the players w/o shoes so it's acurate! When I go to the doc for a physical they don't measure my height with shoes.

Also btw the talk about his bad hands, I noticed that report states he "has simply fantastic hands".

[DMVleGeND]

For reference, here's that picture of Kanter (#0), Terrance Jones (#3) (and Rod Strickland!!!) again, probably taken in mid to late 2010.....

The Hoops Summit April 2010 measurements for Kanter were....

Height: 6'10.5
Weight: 255
Wingspan: 7'1

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nik ... -One-3429/

Standing Reach is supposedly 9'1".

Terrence Jones was measured in July of 2009 at the Le Bon Bon camp as being....

Height: 6'8"
Weight: 219
Wingspan: 7'

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/w ... Roster.pdf

Draw whatever conclusions you will.

Kanter was born on 5/20/92, so he had probably just turned 18 before the measurements. And he likely hasn't shrunk. 2.5 inches taller than Jones looks about right from that picture. No, he's not a 7 footer with great length, but Kanter is a freaking moose - bigger than a semi-moose like Horford. I'd expect when he's full grown, 6'11 270ish will be his ideal playing size. He is not going to be under-sized.

height with shoes: 6'10.5

"with shoes" probably means he's actually 6-8. I always have hated that. Just measure the players w/o shoes so it's acurate! When I go to the doc for a physical they don't measure my height with shoes.

Also btw the talk about his bad hands, I noticed that report states he "has simply fantastic hands".

Why would you list the heights w/o shoes as the official game heights? They play in shoes!

[Rafael122]

Kanter has a wing span of 7'1? WOW. Bismack is 6'7'' and his wingspan is what...7'7''?

[closg00]

Celtics are on a b2b tonight, I hope they aren't resting the starters.

[REDardWIZskin]

What do you guys think it is about K Leonard that has him ranked so high? He's a good defender and rebounder at the 3 even though he doesn't have much NBA range. He's a good ball handler though and some here have advocated a slashing option at the 3. With his defense, rebounding and length he may be worth a look should he slide down to ATL pick. I'd also give Justin Harper a long look.

[nate33]

I worry about the Morris twins' TRex arms. There are very few successful short-armed big men.

[closg00]

I worry about the Morris twins' TRex arms. There are very few successful short-armed big men.

What is your cut-off point for putting someone into the TRex category? IIRC, Ty Hansbrough has an average wing span.

[nate33]

I'd say Hansbrough just exceeds the criteria for adequate wingspan. His wingspan of 6'-11.5" is three inches longer than his no-shoe height of 6'-8.25". The problem with Hansbrough isn't so much a lack of wingspan, it's a lack of height. At his less than ideal height, he needs an excessively long wingspan to really match up defensively at PF.

A good example of a TRex guy is Troy Murphy. His no-shoe height is 6'-9.75" and his wingspan is 6'-11". As a result, he's a terrible defender. He wouldn't have a role in this league if he didn't happen to be one of the best 3-point shooting bigs of the decade.

Here's a list of players drafted who have no-shoe heights greater than 6-8 and wingspans less than 7-0. It's not an impressive list (with the notable exceptions of Battier and Blake Griffin)

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Name            Year     Ht. NoSh   Wngspn           
Alton Ford      2001     6' 8.25    6' 10.5         
Andre Hutson    2001     6' 8.25    6' 11.75         
Antonis Fotsi   2000     6' 9.25    6' 8.5           
Blake Griffin   2009     6' 8.5     6' 11.25         
Brian Scalabr   2001     6' 8.75    6' 9.75         
Chris Kaman     2003     6' 11.5    6' 11.75         
Damone Brown    2001     6' 8.25    6' 11.75         
Dan Langhi      2000     6' 9       6' 8             
Donte Green     2008     6' 8.25    6' 10           
Jason Smith     2007     6' 10.75   6' 10.75         
Mario Kasun     2002     6' 11.75   6' 11.5         
Martynas Andr   2005     7' 1.25    6' 11.25         
Matt Bonner     2003     6' 8.5     6' 8.75         
Robert Archib   2002     6' 10      6' 11.75         
Shane Battier   2001     6' 8.25    6' 10.5         
Trent Plaiste   2008     6' 9.25    6' 10.5         
Troy Murphy     2001     6' 9.75    6' 11           
Tyler Hansbro   2009     6' 8.25    6' 11.5

[Ruzious]

I worry about the Morris twins' TRex arms. There are very few successful short-armed big men.

I could be wrong, but I thought it was just Marcus that had the short arms.

[Rafael122]

What do you guys think it is about K Leonard that has him ranked so high? He's a good defender and rebounder at the 3 even though he doesn't have much NBA range. He's a good ball handler though and some here have advocated a slashing option at the 3. With his defense, rebounding and length he may be worth a look should he slide down to ATL pick. I'd also give Justin Harper a long look.

Just seems like this team already has these guys on the roster. The Morris Twins, we've got Booker or even Seraphin. So are we all just gonna pick 6'8'' small forwards/power forwards now and call it a day?

[Ruzious]

What do you guys think it is about K Leonard that has him ranked so high? He's a good defender and rebounder at the 3 even though he doesn't have much NBA range. He's a good ball handler though and some here have advocated a slashing option at the 3. With his defense, rebounding and length he may be worth a look should he slide down to ATL pick. I'd also give Justin Harper a long look.

Just seems like this team already has these guys on the roster. The Morris Twins, we've got Booker or even Seraphin. So are we all just gonna pick 6'8'' small forwards/power forwards now and call it a day?

Fwiw, Kieff is listed on the Kansas roster at 6'10 245, and I'm convinced DWilliams is a legit 6'9 240 - even though others are saying he's smaller. Both had good 3 point shooting percentages (though neither was prolific in their number of attempts). If these guys project as good starters, I'm not concerned if they have some similarities to players we already have. Of course, with our top pick, we want to get better than good.

Leonard seems highly overrated to me as a potential lotto pick - considering he projects as a 3 with very little offensive game.

[nate33]

I worry about the Morris twins' TRex arms. There are very few successful short-armed big men.

I could be wrong, but I thought it was just Marcus that had the short arms.

Interesting. If Markieff has a respectable wingspan and standing reach, then I'd consider him with the ATL pick (assuming we drafted Barnes or made a trade for a swingman with our top pick).

[no D in Hibachi]

I'd say Hansbrough just exceeds the criteria for adequate wingspan. His wingspan of 6'-11.5" is three inches longer than his no-shoe height of 6'-8.25". The problem with Hansbrough isn't so much a lack of wingspan, it's a lack of height. At his less than ideal height, he needs an excessively long wingspan to really match up defensively at PF.

A good example of a TRex guy is Troy Murphy. His no-shoe height is 6'-9.75" and his wingspan is 6'-11". As a result, he's a terrible defender. He wouldn't have a role in this league if he didn't happen to be one of the best 3-point shooting bigs of the decade.

Here's a list of players drafted who have no-shoe heights greater than 6-8 and wingspans less than 7-0. It's not an impressive list (with the notable exceptions of Battier, Blake Griffin, and brian scalabrine)

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Name            Year     Ht. NoSh   Wngspn           
Alton Ford      2001     6' 8.25    6' 10.5         
Andre Hutson    2001     6' 8.25    6' 11.75         
Antonis Fotsi   2000     6' 9.25    6' 8.5           
Blake Griffin   2009     6' 8.5     6' 11.25         
Brian Scalabr   2001     6' 8.75    6' 9.75         
Chris Kaman     2003     6' 11.5    6' 11.75         
Damone Brown    2001     6' 8.25    6' 11.75         
Dan Langhi      2000     6' 9       6' 8             
Donte Green     2008     6' 8.25    6' 10           
Jason Smith     2007     6' 10.75   6' 10.75         
Mario Kasun     2002     6' 11.75   6' 11.5         
Martynas Andr   2005     7' 1.25    6' 11.25         
Matt Bonner     2003     6' 8.5     6' 8.75         
Robert Archib   2002     6' 10      6' 11.75         
Shane Battier   2001     6' 8.25    6' 10.5         
Trent Plaiste   2008     6' 9.25    6' 10.5         
Troy Murphy     2001     6' 9.75    6' 11           
Tyler Hansbro   2009     6' 8.25    6' 11.5

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[eitanr]

Now with Rubio likely coming to Minnesota next season, what would the Wolves do with a top 2 pick? They already have Love, Randolph, Beasley, Wesley Johnson at the 3/4...and Rubio, Ridnour and Flynn at PG. I can't see how either Irving or Derrick Williams would fit there.

I'd think they'd like a legit center since their rotation of Darko and Pekovic hasn't cut it long term. Perhaps they are a candidate to trade down with Washington for a Kanter or Voluncios and the WIz could nab DW with their pick?

[eitanr]

To be honest we should also focus on where our pick will most likely be which is 5 or 6. If Kanter, D. Williams are gone...what's the general consensus on Perry Jones?

I just don't love going after guys that don't have legitimate NBA Skills or that you'd know they'd excel at one thing at. Kanter can board, Williams can slash....Perry Jones is athletic and lanky, but I don't see much bball skills there or one stat he'd excel at. I know people would automatically think Kemp or STAT I don't see him as a 3 long term.

[LyricalRico]

^ I don't want anymore projects. I understand the reasoning that we should go for the "high risk, high reward" pick since we're probably going to stink next year anyway. I just don't want to go that route, and that's what Perry Jones would represent for me.

[eitanr]

^ I don't want anymore projects. I understand the reasoning that we should go for the "high risk, high reward" pick since we're probably going to stink next year anyway. I just don't want to go that route, and that's what Perry Jones would represent for me.

I wouldn't disagree, but what do you do in a scenario which is fairly likely, that Barnes, DW, and Kanter are all off the board?

[Dat2U]

IMO for bigs, standing reach is far more important than wingspan. Wingspan deals more with the amount of space you take up from side to side. Standing reach is your length straight up & down. I'm more worried about low post players being able to contest shots, grab rebounds and not get their shot blocked in the paint. Standing reach seems to be a far better tool for measuring whether they have the appropriate length to be functional in the post.

An example... Shelden Williams has a freakishly long wing span, but an incredibly short standing reach. He's built like a tank and has an incredibly wide chest but struggles to do anything in the post and his shot got blocked a ton, even in college.