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Bradley Beal - Part II

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#441 » by verbal8 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:04 pm

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Induveca wrote:Beal is reminding me of Calbert Cheaney....not a good thing.

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Beal can shoot 3s. Cheaney couldn't. Cheaney inside the 2 point line was better.


Beal is also 3 years younger at the same point. Cheaney was ok his first few seasons then he had an early decline, followed by a long journeyman career. I think Allan Houston(pre-bloated contract) might be a better comp. Although Beal should contribute more in terms of steals/rebounds/Assists than Houston.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#442 » by BruceO » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:27 pm

I think once he gets a proper handle and is able to create his own offense he'll be okay. Won't have to take longer two shots. I used to take a lot of those twos as well. in zone I found they were readily available and became really good at them. But he needs to add facets to his offense so he's not one dimensional and easy to get out of the game.
The biggest thing to me is his handle and his iso game. Once he had greater range his shot selection will improve. As far as his development he's still ahead of the curve or on par to the good shooting guards who are in the league when you compare experience and age.
The problem he has is the same ones the rest of the wings have. No handle so they are all reliant on John wall. We need more ball handlers, slashes, playmakers.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#443 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:21 am

Can we also hope he gets better foot work. Something always looked odd about the way he lands when catching the ball. Almost like its a walk.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#444 » by jivelikenice » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:52 am

He definitely got away with a few walks today. He shot better but I just don't like how he's playing. He's definitely in a funk..I just hope he snaps out of it so we can take advantage of hpthis home stand,
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#445 » by Illmatic21 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:34 pm

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We have players and coaches who understand the game, so what gives? It really makes me question the quality of the coaching, and instruction guys are receiving in practice.


This isn't making sense to me. If the players understand the game, then the quality of coaching and instruction they get would seem to be at least adequate. Which would not be something to cause question about the quality of the coaching.

Wittman couldn't draw up a play like that in a million years.


Apparently someone on the Wizards coaching staff can draw up a play like that because they run that set -- exactly. Every NBA team runs some version of that play. They don't get the same results, perhaps because Beal/Webster/Ariza aren't as experience or skilled as Ginobili or some of the other Spurs.

Now that the Wiz are mostly healthy I hope everyone can see that the real problem with this team has been exposed.. it's the coaching


They're 7 deep (counting Beal, who's been producing at a solidly below average rate so far this season), and 2 of the 7 are on minutes limits. That wouldn't qualify as "mostly healthy" to me.

I don't think coaching is The Problem with this team. It's NBA standard coaching -- maybe a little on the "below" side of average. But, not outstanding and not terrible. That said, I'm in favor of replacing Wittman. I never would have hired him in the first place. But, a) the team's Real Problem is insufficient talent, and that's a front office issue, and b) I don't want Wittman replaced NOW because that would mean Grunfeld was picking the next coach and it would give Leonsis yet another excuse to keep Grunfeld in place.

What I meant was, we have players who are 'coachable'.. I guess "understand the game" was the wrong phrase. We don't have many selfish players on the team, but for some reason the team tends to play selfishly far too often. Which leads me to question the quality or depth of coaching they are receiving.

This team does not have average NBA coaching, the roster is severly underachieving. An average coach would make adjustments when his offensive gameplan consistently fails to produce results, Wittman doesn't do that.

Obviously Grunfeld needs to go, but in the meantime it's irritating having to witness the poor coaching job Wittman is doing. Do we have a supremely talented roster? No. Did I expect this team to win 50 games? No. But even still we aren't the Bucks, we should not be getting shellacked by every decent team we play. Every above average team has basically toyed with us for 48 minutes. 1-13 record against winning teams is a terrible mark for what should be a competitive, playoff team. And in most of those losses, Wittman's offensive schemes were neutralized rather easily and he had no counter. I blame EG as much as the next guy, but at the same time let's not pretend that Wittman is doing anything close to an average coaching job with this team.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#446 » by dlts20 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:02 pm

I thought he played great last game. Pass 1st and only took good open shots. Ill take 4ast in 30min all day
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#447 » by Illmatic21 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:07 pm

dlts20 wrote:I thought he played great last game. Pass 1st and only took good open shots. Ill take 4ast in 30min all day

Yeah it seemed like he made a concerted effort to stop taking contested jumpers and focus on moving the ball. However he's still missing a lot of shots that should be automatic for him, I wouldn't say he played 'great' but there's improvement
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#448 » by dlts20 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:30 pm

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dlts20 wrote:I thought he played great last game. Pass 1st and only took good open shots. Ill take 4ast in 30min all day

Yeah it seemed like he made a concerted effort to stop taking contested jumpers and focus on moving the ball. However he's still missing a lot of shots that should be automatic for him, I wouldn't say he played 'great' but there's improvement

true but I dont mind him missing as long as they arent bad shots. I think his stroke will eventually come back if he plays the right way
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#449 » by TGW » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:55 am

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'm not a Beal-iever. I'm not impressed with his development, and I don't see any explosion in his game. I also find it downright pathetic that he's on a minutes restriction. Unless that player is coming off a serious injury, there is absolutely no reason for giving a minutes restriction to a player, let alone a player who's ONLY 20 YEARDS OLD.

I hate his shot selection. I hate that he is not a dead-eye jumpshooter and misses open looks. I hate that he is undersized as a defender and doesn't do anything great defensively. I hate his body language when he misses shots, and his entitlement attitude.

If the Wizards could get nab a young bigman for him, I would trade him while his value is high.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#450 » by Illmatic21 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:06 am

Beal's playing time needs to be reduced.

He was handed a larger role this year, and quite simply he is failing at it.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#451 » by TGW » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:07 am

Illmatic21 wrote:Beal's playing time needs to be reduced.

He was handed a larger role this year, and quite simply he is failing at it.


He's already on a minutes restriction. If you limit it any more, you might as well bench him.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#452 » by Illmatic21 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:26 am

I wouldn't go that far, but I'd like to see more of Webster in fourth quarters.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#453 » by dlts20 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:36 am

lets not go overboard. If he plays well against Boston then that means he has played 4 out of 5 very good games. He was excellent over the last 3 until tonight and everyone sucked tonight besides Wall
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#454 » by TGW » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:55 am

Well all I know it that we turned down a trade for Harden to keep this kid, and he has disappointed me greatly. He is not even remotely close to being on Harden's level in any way shape or form.

We could have had Harden, man. This FO sucks balls.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#455 » by DCZards » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:08 am

TGW wrote:Well all I know it that we turned down a trade for Harden to keep this kid, and he has disappointed me greatly. He is not even remotely close to being on Harden's level in any way shape or form.

We could have had Harden, man. This FO sucks balls.


Actually, none of us REALLY know whether or not the Zards turned down a trade for Harden. Or the terms of that trade if it was on the table.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#456 » by dlts20 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:21 am

TGW wrote:Well all I know it that we turned down a trade for Harden to keep this kid, and he has disappointed me greatly. He is not even remotely close to being on Harden's level in any way shape or form.

We could have had Harden, man. This FO sucks balls.

stop going overboard. I remember last year after Beal won back to back rookie of the months somoneone on here wrote to Leonsis and begged him not to trade Beal and everyone on here agreed with that. Then in the Preseason he was playing better than anyone in the league and after a slow first couple of games he was going off in the regular season. Then he went in another long slump but played great the last 3 games until tonight. What has Harden done? He was horrible in the finals against Miami and still hasnt done anything out West. Great offensive talent but plays a ton of iso ball and is the worst defender in the league. Give Beal time
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#457 » by TGW » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:38 am

dlts20 wrote:
TGW wrote:Well all I know it that we turned down a trade for Harden to keep this kid, and he has disappointed me greatly. He is not even remotely close to being on Harden's level in any way shape or form.

We could have had Harden, man. This FO sucks balls.

stop going overboard. I remember last year after Beal won back to back rookie of the months somoneone on here wrote to Leonsis and begged him not to trade Beal and everyone on here agreed with that. Then in the Preseason he was playing better than anyone in the league and after a slow first couple of games he was going off in the regular season. Then he went in another long slump but played great the last 3 games until tonight. What has Harden done? He was horrible in the finals against Miami and still hasnt done anything out West. Great offensive talent but plays a ton of iso ball and is the worst defender in the league. Give Beal time


What has harden done? Are you serious dude? How many players in this league average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists? Name them now. Beal has a sub 14 PER, which puts him at a below average player.

And hell, I wish Beal had the ability to play ISO ball...right now he's simply worthless in ISO situations. It's embarrassing trying to watch him dribble around even average defenders.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#458 » by jivelikenice » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:34 am

Time to get Neal so we're no so dependent on Beal while he goes through his growing pains.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#459 » by fishercob » Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:33 pm

Here's the thing about Harden -- he's a prime Gilbert Arenas 2.0. Unstoppable on offense -- unlimited range, a foul-drawing machine, and great finisher inside. But -- and this is starting to get some real attention in the hoops blogosphere -- his defense is beyond deplorable. You can't tell me that someone with that much physical ability should be that bad a defender. I believe he bears a ton of responsibility for Houston being only 14th in defense, despite Howard on the back line.

As to Beal, I was at the game last night and was VERY distressed by what I saw. Not the missed shots, but again, the body language. Same sort of stuff that alarmed me against the Clips a few weeks ago -- last guy off the floor into the huddle at timeouts, poor concentration, etc. It was really bothering me. This is where you'd like a veteran leader to pull him aside (out of the view of cameras and reporters) and to hold him accountable.

And yet, he's 20.

Twenty.

Think of yourself at that age. BB is -- truly, by all accounts -- an extremely hard worker and mature beyond his years. I think what we're seeing is just part of a kid adjusting to the grind of the NBA. Seeing how JOhn has dunked on his struggles, I'm not that worried about Brad. I want him to be better and believe he will.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#460 » by tontoz » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:41 pm

Beal himself said that Presti told him that the Thunder were trying to trade for him. But of course that wont stop people from trying to deny the obvious.
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