Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[milellie111]

Grunfeld has lead this team out of those dark years.

EG has not done anything to lead this team out the dark years. The Wizards are barely out of the dark years, and they are there because they lucked into Wall and Beal.

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

[leswizards]

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

The Wizards are barely above .500 in a historically bad east. Last season, when Wall was healthy, I believe the Wizards were a game below .500. Without Wall, they were a very bad team. This season, they have a better back up PG in Miller (which they only acquired after EG wasted the BAE on Maynor), so undoubtedly, the Wizards would be a better team without Wall than they were last season, but I still stand by the statement, that were it not for the Wizards lucking into Wall and Beal (and possibly Porter), the Wizards would still be stuck in the dark years playing below .500 basketball.

[dckingsfan]

Is luck a plan? If so, EG has a great plan

But I very much do enjoy the luck - I love watching Wall play in the open court

[MikeTheKid]

Grunfeld has lead this team out of those dark years.

EG has not done anything to lead this team out the dark years. The Wizards are barely out of the dark years, and they are there because they lucked into Wall and Beal.

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

Its funny how you say Grunfeld led us out of the dark years not admitting that hes the one that actually led us into the dark years with his terrible culture and locker room management/environment from GunGate to Burger Boy Blatche and the Knucklehead Express to even now where it seems the coach can only yell at Seraphin and Wall and Beal dont get reprimanded when there play is bad.

NOW AM I WRONG Millie aka Mr Monumental???

And as far as your post saying all of our players would be contributors elsewhere why did Gooden rot on a bench the last 2.5 years and why did he only get signed almost a month ago if he would make such an impact in the league? Why was Booker racking DNPs until Nene started getting hurt?

But I understand what your trying to preach here, you want everyone here to say **** the past, were good now so lets celebrate and I understand what your doing but when you've been a 15+ year fan you'd understand why some are sour. And mind you Im happier now, the Wiz will more than likely clinch a PO berth in the next week (and I'll be at the games) and Wittman and Ernie will get resigned for cheap cause they know they wont get jobs anywhere else and Ted loves cheap and I cant do anything about that because he doesnt know basketball. But those who dont know there past are doomed to repeat it and it looks like were going to repeat our past when Ariza and Gortat are resigned just like Jamison and Butler and were capped out and cant do anything and we return to failed mediocrity then Ernie will trade another first rd pick for scrubs (2009 draft) and then back to the suck.

Ok Im done rambling about nothing LETS GO WIZ

[Nivek]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

[pineappleheadindc]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

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[Jay81]

I just verified with Glen Consor and he said he didnt start this thread

[dckingsfan]

I just verified with Glen Consor and he said he didnt start this thread

[montestewart]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

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I'm falling behind. I'll have to up my game.

And YOU! You don't even make the list!

Not to go too OT, EG sucks dandruff purée!

[MikeTheKid]

This thread has me dying at work right now

[pineappleheadindc]

millie is right -- we should be positive. Grunfeld's last two moves were good ones. This proves Grunfeld is a GREAT general manager who will lead the Wizards to a championship.

Yo, Kev -- Kevin ---KEVIN BROOM!

Dude, you *know* he's just sucked you in with this thread, right? You're on the hook and he's reeling you into the bass boat.

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I'm falling behind. I'll have to up my game.

And YOU! You don't even make the list!

Not to go too OT, EG sucks dandruff purée!

You, Kev, dckingsfan, TGW, leswizards and payitfoward -- all of you with 20+ responses to this thread are being reeled into milellie111's bass boat because he's got you on the hook real good.

Hands is different. He voluntarily jumps into any bass boat convenient to him by purposefully posting a lot.

[pineappleheadindc]

dbl post, sorry!

[closg00]

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A true bromance

[montestewart]

dbl post, sorry!

Good for your thread numbers. Proud of you.

[pineappleheadindc]

dbl post, sorry!

Good for your thread numbers. Proud of you.

I learned post padding from donkey, swami and JWiz.

[milellie111]

EG has not done anything to lead this team out the dark years. The Wizards are barely out of the dark years, and they are there because they lucked into Wall and Beal.

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

Its funny how you say Grunfeld led us out of the dark years not admitting that hes the one that actually led us into the dark years with his terrible culture and locker room management/environment from GunGate to Burger Boy Blatche and the Knucklehead Express to even now where it seems the coach can only yell at Seraphin and Wall and Beal dont get reprimanded when there play is bad.

NOW AM I WRONG Millie aka Mr Monumental???

And as far as your post saying all of our players would be contributors elsewhere why did Gooden rot on a bench the last 2.5 years and why did he only get signed almost a month ago if he would make such an impact in the league? Why was Booker racking DNPs until Nene started getting hurt?

But I understand what your trying to preach here, you want everyone here to say **** the past, were good now so lets celebrate and I understand what your doing but when you've been a 15+ year fan you'd understand why some are sour. And mind you Im happier now, the Wiz will more than likely clinch a PO berth in the next week (and I'll be at the games) and Wittman and Ernie will get resigned for cheap cause they know they wont get jobs anywhere else and Ted loves cheap and I cant do anything about that because he doesnt know basketball. But those who dont know there past are doomed to repeat it and it looks like were going to repeat our past when Ariza and Gortat are resigned just like Jamison and Butler and were capped out and cant do anything and we return to failed mediocrity then Ernie will trade another first rd pick for scrubs (2009 draft) and then back to the suck.

Ok Im done rambling about nothing LETS GO WIZ

So are you really trying to convince everyone that Grunfeld was responsible for the Arenas and Crittenton gun situation? Or that he was solely responsible for Andray getting busted with prostitutes? Really? There is no way to forsee such issues just as other organizations cannot predict when a player will go off the deep end and cause issues. What defines a smart GM is how you deal with such issues when they arise. Do you keep them around and let the problem fester or do you clean house? Did the Lakers know that Shaq and Kobe eventually would not get along or that Kobe and Dwight would not be able to play together? No GM can see into the future, so why are you requiring that of Grunfeld?

[milellie111]

EG has not done anything to lead this team out the dark years. The Wizards are barely out of the dark years, and they are there because they lucked into Wall and Beal.

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

Its funny how you say Grunfeld led us out of the dark years not admitting that hes the one that actually led us into the dark years with his terrible culture and locker room management/environment from GunGate to Burger Boy Blatche and the Knucklehead Express to even now where it seems the coach can only yell at Seraphin and Wall and Beal dont get reprimanded when there play is bad.

NOW AM I WRONG Millie aka Mr Monumental???

And as far as your post saying all of our players would be contributors elsewhere why did Gooden rot on a bench the last 2.5 years and why did he only get signed almost a month ago if he would make such an impact in the league? Why was Booker racking DNPs until Nene started getting hurt?

But I understand what your trying to preach here, you want everyone here to say **** the past, were good now so lets celebrate and I understand what your doing but when you've been a 15+ year fan you'd understand why some are sour. And mind you Im happier now, the Wiz will more than likely clinch a PO berth in the next week (and I'll be at the games) and Wittman and Ernie will get resigned for cheap cause they know they wont get jobs anywhere else and Ted loves cheap and I cant do anything about that because he doesnt know basketball. But those who dont know there past are doomed to repeat it and it looks like were going to repeat our past when Ariza and Gortat are resigned just like Jamison and Butler and were capped out and cant do anything and we return to failed mediocrity then Ernie will trade another first rd pick for scrubs (2009 draft) and then back to the suck.

Ok Im done rambling about nothing LETS GO WIZ

So what if Gooden only got signed a month ago and other teams passed over him. Their loss our gain. Look at his contributions. He's won games for us and is averaging over 12 ppg and 6rpg.

As for Booker not getting in until Nene got injured, thats how the cards fall sometimes. Opportunity presents itself for the next man up. We should be thankful that we have a legitimate backup power forward to step up. Grunfeld has ensured a measure of depth.

[milellie111]

So are you really trying to convince everyone that Grunfeld was responsible for the Arenas and Crittenton gun situation? Or that he was solely responsible for Andray getting busted with prostitutes? Really? There is no way to forsee such issues just as other organizations cannot predict when a player will go off the deep end and cause issues. What defines a smart GM is how you deal with such issues when they arise. Do you keep them around and let the problem fester or do you clean house? Did the Lakers know that Shaq and Kobe eventually would not get along or that Kobe and Dwight would not be able to play together? No GM can see into the future, so why are you requiring that of Grunfeld?

Miley - Who was responsible for the early extension of Andray Blatche and why was he amnestied?

The Blatche pick was not a bust. Guy had tons of talent and potential. Of course with his issues here we had to cut our losses, but he is currently a contributor with the Nets.

[milellie111]

So what if Gooden only got signed a month ago and other teams passed over him. Their loss our gain. Look at his contributions. He's won games for us and is averaging over 12 ppg and 6rpg.

As for Booker not getting in until Nene got injured, thats how the cards fall sometimes. Opportunity presents itself for the next man up. We should be thankful that we have a legitimate backup power forward to step up. Grunfeld has ensured a measure of depth.

Over the past several years, he has had a 6th pick, a 17th, an 18, and a 23rd pick in the draft, as well as several high second round picks. He also traded Kirk Hinrich for young talent, and all he has to show for it Booker, and you claim he has ensured a measure of depth.

I don't claim anything, it's based on the roster of this team. Ariza/Webster/Porter(still yet to be developed) at the small forward position. Nene/Booker/Gooden at the power forward position. Wall/Miller/Temple at the point guard position. That is very good depth.

[milellie111]

I don't claim anything, it's based on the roster of this team. Ariza/Webster/Porter(still yet to be developed) at the small forward position. Nene/Booker/Gooden at the power forward position. Wall/Miller/Temple at the point guard position. That is very good depth.

If EG had ensured that the Wizards had very good depth, why were the Gooden signing and Miller trade necessary. The fact is EG has failed in numerous attempts to add depth and talent to the team (Maynor, Crawford, Singleton, Vesely, Mack, Seraphin, et al), and he only lucked into Gooden and Miller, which is only keeping the Wizards as a barely above .500 team in a historically bad east.

Injuries my friend. It happens to every team in the NBA. Maynor was not fully recoverd from his ACL injury.