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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#441 » by dckingsfan » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:14 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:You probably see this one way and I see it another. I see it - when the Federal Government gets involved in lending - really bad things happen.


To clarify: I post an article that shows evidence of the impact of discriminatory mortgage policies on both crime and discriminatory policing two generations later, and your take away is "that's why federal regulation is bad in general"?

Mind you, I posted this article in a thread where another poster has argued (presumably with a straight face) that any observed difference in economic performance and/or criminal behavior between ethnic groups is more likely attributable to inherent differences in IQ. Posters cite crime statistics in Chicago -- Exhibit A for discriminatory redlining policies -- as proof that Black people are inherently more violent than White people.

The redlining policies in Baltimore were not some sort of aberration, any more than they were in Chicago. They're merely an example of institutionalized oppression that took place for generations after slavery was abolished. The centuries of slavery, combined with an extra century's worth of institutionalized and government-enforced oppression has done a number on Black communities, to put it mildly. Everyone in this country is still feeling the impact of "America's original sin", as one author puts it. The fact that in 2016, we're still dealing with voter suppression and institutionalized discriminatory policing is evidence that we as a country have a long ways to go to purge this sin out of our society.

Unfortunately, there is an old ideological movement that has always maintained a vested interest in our country *not* atoning for its original sin. That movement is alive, well, and active in modern politics today. And frankly, that ideological movement isn't that compatible with democracy. Here's an interesting blog post on the subject.

https://weeklysift.com/2014/08/11/not-a-tea-party-a-confederate-party/

But sure, let's talk about deregulating the mortgage market instead.

Ah Sorry, if this was out of context. I didn't see the original post.

I did read the article - "in which the government determined which neighborhoods were worthy of mortgage lending " and thought that "nefarious".

Then I thought of the new programs where, "in which the government determined which neighborhoods were worthy of mortgage lending" - wait, that was the housing bubble.

Before it was nefarious now it is just ineptitude... both are bad. The government should pull its nose out of home loans.

Another place where the federal government has become directly involved in lending - student loans. Watching how that is turning out?

The Obama administration is now going after for profit schools - because once you create the problem you need more government to fix the problem - can't possibly shut down the root cause of the problem. And do we think that will increase the number of students graduating from college? And who do we think it will affect - probably for profit, black colleges and community colleges. Yeah, that is going to hit the upper middle class hard.

Sorry, not picking on you - I just see it in a different light.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#442 » by gtn130 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:19 pm

popper wrote:Like President Obama, Clinton and Trump are corrupt, serial liars, that have no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution. I guess it comes down to who will damage the country least. It's a very depressing and difficult choice.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html

I agree politicians aren't the most honest segment of society, but there really isn't any valid reason to say Obama is a "corrupt, serial liar". Really an absurd claim to make no matter how much you disagree with his politics.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#443 » by Ruzious » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:29 pm

popper wrote:Wow. Bernie paid $600 K for a vacation home on Lake Champlain. That's the kind of extravagance that only the top one percent can afford. He's too old to run again so no need to continue to deceive his constituents. I wonder if they will appreciate the irony.

I'm not one of his constituents, but has Bernie ever said he doesn't want to be one of the top 1 percent? Saying they should be taxed more doesn't mean he doesn't want to be there.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#444 » by dckingsfan » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:23 pm

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popper wrote:Like President Obama, Clinton and Trump are corrupt, serial liars, that have no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution. I guess it comes down to who will damage the country least. It's a very depressing and difficult choice.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html

I agree politicians aren't the most honest segment of society, but there really isn't any valid reason to say Obama is a "corrupt, serial liar". Really an absurd claim to make no matter how much you disagree with his politics.

Yeah, that is an interesting one. GW and weapons of mass destruction and the Iraq War - guess he didn't lie - he just didn't have all the facts. Obama and Obamacare and you can keep your doctor - I don't think he could quite figure out what exactly was in the legislation (giving him the benefit of the doubt).

But to your point - nearly 50% of his statements are True or Mostly True - I guess a serial liar would have a higher percentage:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#445 » by popper » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:41 pm

gtn130 wrote:
popper wrote:Like President Obama, Clinton and Trump are corrupt, serial liars, that have no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution. I guess it comes down to who will damage the country least. It's a very depressing and difficult choice.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html

I agree politicians aren't the most honest segment of society, but there really isn't any valid reason to say Obama is a "corrupt, serial liar". Really an absurd claim to make no matter how much you disagree with his politics.


The serial lies are pretty easy to document (I've done so here numerous times). Just Google "Obama Lies" and you can spend the entire day cataloging them. In regard to corruption, you can start with this book although it is incomplete as it was published in 2012. There's been a lot of corruption since then.

The Corruption Chronicles: Obama’s Big Secrecy, Big Corruption, and Big Government By Tom Fitton, President of Judicial Watch

JULY 23, 2012

(Washington, DC) – In THE CORRUPTION CHRONICLES: Obama’s Big Secrecy, Big Corruption, and Big Government (Threshold Editions; July 24, 2012; Hardcover; $26.99), Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton outlines why Barack Obama aptly takes the top spot among Washington’s Most Corrupt – from his flouting of federal law and the Constitution to his (ALLEGED) terrorist ties, his penchant for government con games, and threats to election integrity…………..
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#446 » by TGW » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:38 pm

Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#447 » by popper » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:49 pm

TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.


I see Judicial Watch as a very credible organization. They've probably been the most effective at uncovering government malfeasance on both sides of the aisle.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/the-corruption-chronicles-obamas-big-secrecy-big-corruption-and-big-government-by-tom-fitton-president-of-judicial-watch/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#448 » by dckingsfan » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:53 pm

TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.

But then we can't quote the NY Times :(
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#449 » by montestewart » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:58 pm

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TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.


I see Judicial Watch as a very credible organization. They've probably been the most effective at uncovering government malfeasance on both sides of the aisle.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/the-corruption-chronicles-obamas-big-secrecy-big-corruption-and-big-government-by-tom-fitton-president-of-judicial-watch/

I had to sift deeply into their website to find anything that's not anti-Democrat, and then sift further to find them going after a Republican on any non-RINO pretext. The site is currently 95% devoted to anti-Clinton articles and links. Fox News is downright neutral by comparison.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#450 » by gtn130 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:59 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.

But then we can't quote the NY Times :(
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Why does the ideological placement of the audience matter relative to the validity of the publication?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#451 » by gtn130 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:02 pm

NYT, an internationally respected publication with 117 Pulitzers, is the same things as Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh, guys!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#452 » by popper » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:10 pm

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TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.


I see Judicial Watch as a very credible organization. They've probably been the most effective at uncovering government malfeasance on both sides of the aisle.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/the-corruption-chronicles-obamas-big-secrecy-big-corruption-and-big-government-by-tom-fitton-president-of-judicial-watch/

I had to sift deeply into their website to find anything that's not anti-Democrat, and then sift further to find them going after a Republican on any non-RINO pretext. The site is currently 95% devoted to anti-Clinton articles and links. Fox News is downright neutral by comparison.


I've followed them for years and my experience is that they will go after any govt. official or entity that's trying to hide the truth from the American people. Sect. Clinton is a treasure-trove of corruption and opaque govt. dealing. Same with our current President. Why do you think Judicial Watch has won so many Federal Court cases that culminate in forcing the govt. to disclose information they would rather hide from the American public. I'd like to know what's really going on and Judicial Watch is on the side of transparent govt.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#453 » by montestewart » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:16 pm

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I see Judicial Watch as a very credible organization. They've probably been the most effective at uncovering government malfeasance on both sides of the aisle.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/the-corruption-chronicles-obamas-big-secrecy-big-corruption-and-big-government-by-tom-fitton-president-of-judicial-watch/

I had to sift deeply into their website to find anything that's not anti-Democrat, and then sift further to find them going after a Republican on any non-RINO pretext. The site is currently 95% devoted to anti-Clinton articles and links. Fox News is downright neutral by comparison.


I've followed them for years and my experience is that they will go after any govt. official or entity that's trying to hide the truth from the American people. Sect. Clinton is a treasure-trove of corruption and opaque govt. dealing. Same with our current President. Why do you think Judicial Watch has won so many Federal Court cases that culminate in forcing the govt. to disclose information they would rather hide from the American public. I'd like to know what's really going on and Judicial Watch is on the side of transparent govt.

I see them as more biased (which is, of course, not uncommon in media). I give them credit for their role in opposing Cheney's executive branch power grab.
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Post#454 » by Wizardspride » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:38 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#455 » by Wizardspride » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:42 pm

Click to read the rest

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/06/these-cops-are-tired-of-white-people-getting-freaked-out-by-their-black-neighbors/

These cops are tired of white people getting freaked out by their black neighbors


"People, please stop making my job so difficult."

That's the opening of a discussion in "ProtectAndServe," reddit's community of law enforcement officers. The poster, who goes by the handle "sf7" and has been verified as a law enforcement officer by the forum's moderators, goes on:

So I'm working last week and get dispatched to a call of 'Suspicious Activity.' Ya'll wanna know what the suspicious activity was? Someone walking around in the dark with a flashlight and crow bar? Nope. Someone walking into a bank with a full face mask on? Nope.

It was two black males who were jump starting a car at 930 in the morning. That was it. Nothing else. Someone called it in.

People. People. People. If you're going to be a racist, stereotypical jerk...keep it to yourself.

Other forum users sympathize. One tells a story about someone asking the cops to investigate a middle-aged black man fishing in his own community. Another was asked to respond to a report of two Middle Eastern guys sitting in the same car. Another laments that "we frequently get calls about black men and woman and kids, yes [expletive] kids, walking. Like WWB [walking while black] was actually a crime and not a Twitter joke."

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#456 » by TGW » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:53 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.

But then we can't quote the NY Times :(
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I absolutely agree...the NYT and the WaPo are establishment, liberal rags as well.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#457 » by AFM » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:56 pm

Why is buzzfeed on there.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#458 » by DCZards » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:01 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.

But then we can't quote the NY Times :(
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This chart tells us little or nothing about a publication's or a news outlet's politics...only those of its readers/viewers.

Makes sense that the NYT would have a largely liberal (or left) audience given that it primarily serves the NYC area.
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Post#459 » by dckingsfan » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:08 pm

gtn130 wrote:NYT, an internationally respected publication with 117 Pulitzers, is the same things as Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh, guys!

Read the original post :) Basically, the post said - if it is a conservative rag (generalization) then we won't listen.

And yes, the NYT has some pretty out there stuff in their opinion section (and yes, I read it and the WSJ everyday).
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#460 » by dckingsfan » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:11 pm

DCZards wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
TGW wrote:Popper--as long as you continue to post junk from conservative rag websites, no one is going to take it seriously.

But then we can't quote the NY Times :(
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This chart tells us little or nothing about a publication's or a news outlet's politics...only those of its readers/viewers.

Makes sense that the NYT would have a largely liberal (or left) audience given that it primarily serves the NYC area.

Exactly - and "conservative rag" is a poster's view... if you are conservative - you might look at the WSJ as liberalish. If you are liberal, you might think of CBS as liberal.

And that the conservative leaning press are doing gotcha's on liberal politicians and organizations and vice versa should be no surprise. It's what sells.

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