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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#441 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 2, 2017 7:05 pm

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Dark Faze wrote:have had two lakers fans tell me they'd take a first and filler for young and williams

i'd definitely consider it..


Heyull no. Not trading our first to get a 30 year old Lou Williams and Nick Young's clown ass back.

This is the kind of terrible short sighted trade that fans would still hold against the FO a decade from now.


The funny thing is that Lou Williams and Nick Young may be a better value than what Miller/Foye turned out to be for the Wizards given that both have TS% of 60%.


I mentioned both these guys for a reason. Nicholson and Burke for Young and Williams gives us +10 wins on trade checker. That's a number usually reserved for imbalanced "i'll take your all-star for my scrubs" deals. You give us both those guys on top of *hopefully* getting Mahinmi back, and we're talking seriously giving the Cavs some grief. If both these guys had three years left I'd go for it right away.

Unfortunately I just realized Nick Young has a player option which he'll probably exercise, so that puts a downer on a potential deal. Lou we'd still have control over the rest of this year and next year. Not sure how much either will get on the open market.

The problem is when you're maxing three guys the expectation is they should be able to carry a bad bench. Our guys are pulling that off right now, but its not something we should be relying on as being the new normal. When Gortat goes and we're still over the cap, you hope you have a young great center to replace him, except by then Kelly will be up for a new contract. You basically have to draft perfectly for things to work out because you won't be able to add help through free agency.

I think the best bet is to improve your team for now AND the near future by acquiring quality players with our pick that we're also willing and reasonably sure we can extend and keep on the team, even if it means paying lux tax.

We also DO have seconds the next two years with which we can add young talent as well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#442 » by bealwithit » Thu Feb 2, 2017 7:32 pm

Nick Young I can do without. Although they probably are a package deal... Lou alone I think would make a substantial impact on this team. He'd be the constant answer that our bench guys can look to when they need a bucket. Right now, the bench unit looks lost when no one is hitting shots. Lately Oubre bails them out, but I don't think I will be able to stand seeing Burke jacking up garbage shots in the playoffs. Lou is a guy who can go off for 20+ on any night. Mixing him in with rotations with Wall could be deadly. That extra 10-15 points he brings to the table just from his shooting would be so valuable considering our starting 5 seem to all be in double figures every night now.

I don't want to give up our 1st for him and Nick... but I think he'd really be a big addition. We are a legitimately good team right now. Lou would give us a nice boost.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#443 » by BealsLegs » Thu Feb 2, 2017 7:38 pm

Hell no to nick young but id take lou

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Post#444 » by deneem4 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:20 pm

2017 unprotected 1st for ish Smith and Marcus Morris
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#445 » by mhd » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:22 pm

OK, maybe Nicholson isn't unmovable. Plumlee got traded for Hibbert & Hawes. What in the world is Charlotte thinking?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#446 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:26 pm

http://www.hashtagbasketball.com/washington-wizards/content/washington-wizards-trade-rumors-targets
Brandon Wright, Willie reed, Durell arthur, Will barton, and another article states that we have interest in derrick williams if he is cut or for a super low price. I would be more than ok with most of these. I would love to get Willie reed and will barton but, I don't know what we have to give for reed.

Can Willie Reed play minutes at center, his number suggest that he can or is he too small? IDK but hes good, doubt they let him go with out a pay day off him. Williams IDK is worth giving anything up for unless they somehow like nicholson and a second lol which I doubt they will. I wonder if we or they would do, Bosh and reed for Mahinmi, nicholson and burke and some seconds or a 2019 first. Here is why. No bosh might never play again but we can pull the same retirement thing miami is planning. and get rid of the bad contracts we signed, re do of sorts and we get a pretty promising young big man, and possibly a cheap back up for gortat. Best case bosh's contract is the same as Mahinmi and nicholsons put together, and if he somehow comes back healthy we can make some use of him on the bench or as a starting 4 and limit his minutes. But The plan is to dump those contracts and get out of boshes if he has to retire. At a super low coast to us. Not sure how miami would feel. or we could flip him to another team who wants to take the risk at a lowers coast than what miami would want. Maybe a 3 team trade with, miami. and chicago.
Chicago gets bosh.
Was gets rando, Mirotic (who they might not want to try and resign) and Reed.
Miami: gets a pick from us and pick from chicago and mahinmi. nicholson and burke.
Whos knows. Probably would't work but at least it gives us some options.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#447 » by bealwithit » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:37 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#448 » by nuposse04 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:39 pm

If there is anyone on MIA that I want, it is probably James Johnson. He is excellent off the bench for them. Derrick Williams of LAST season was ok... this season... eh... yikes..
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#449 » by nuposse04 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:40 pm

bealwithit wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/nuggets/2017/02/02/wilson-chandler-nuggets-traded-michael-malone-kenneth-faried/97403000/

If not Barton, how about Chandler?


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I imagine they would ask for a 1st, and I'd rather not give that up for a guy we're going to bring off the bench.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#450 » by bealwithit » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:57 pm

nuposse04 wrote:If there is anyone on MIA that I want, it is probably James Johnson. He is excellent off the bench for them. Derrick Williams of LAST season was ok... this season... eh... yikes..

Seconding James Johnson, the guy can do it all. Shoot threes, get to the paint, rebound, pass, play defense, bring energy. Has playoff experience and should be cheap.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#451 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 2, 2017 8:59 pm

mhd wrote:OK, maybe Nicholson isn't unmovable. Plumlee got traded for Hibbert & Hawes. What in the world is Charlotte thinking?


Pretty much. Really insane move by Charlotte to say the least. Milwaukee has to be thrilled.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#452 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 9:03 pm

If they want a valuable draft pick from us, they have to take mahinmi and as many here state, probably is not an option. But if they wanted to do a mahinmi for chandler trade of some kind. I would be down for that?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#453 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 2, 2017 9:18 pm

As much as I hate the mahinmi acquisition, I'm not ready to move him until I see how the two center rotation goes. Only having Jason Smith as your backup has the potential to go so incredibly badly.

Honestly looking at the draft I don't think the late part of the 1st round is much better than the top quarter of the second. Getting Lou Williams for our pick this year and the right to swap our second with their second...a good GM could easily get the better player with that high 2nd pick imo. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Take a flyer on a guy like Michael Fusek lol
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#454 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:09 pm

Dark Faze wrote:As much as I hate the mahinmi acquisition, I'm not ready to move him until I see how the two center rotation goes. Only having Jason Smith as your backup has the potential to go so incredibly badly.

Honestly looking at the draft I don't think the late part of the 1st round is much better than the top quarter of the second. Getting Lou Williams for our pick this year and the right to swap our second with their second...a good GM could easily get the better player with that high 2nd pick imo. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Take a flyer on a guy like Michael Fusek lol

I would rather dump a first on barton, younger better deal will be cheaper to keep. does the same things Williams does even if not as good. But I agree on Mahinmi, I would love to see him come back he is that good of a rim protector. his technique and foot work is world class.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#455 » by Dark Faze » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:24 pm

Lou would be cheaper probably--6'1 with not much upside at the age of 30. Both guys don't have a lot of control either...both are only available the remainder of this year and next year. You know Barton will probably look at Forniers contract as a model...that starts at 17 million per.

Might be better to target players we'd be able to keep for longer. Both Barton and Lou could be prohibitively expensive.

The Nuggets are a strange team to figure out. They've never been commited to tanking so its hard to tell how willing they are to give away good players for picks. A first this year + Smith + Nicholson for Barton and Faried works, but would they be willing? You could go from the 8 seed to a top 3 pick with just one or two losses with the way the West is right now.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#456 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:38 pm

mhd wrote:OK, maybe Nicholson isn't unmovable. Plumlee got traded for Hibbert & Hawes. What in the world is Charlotte thinking?

Yeah, I was wondering what's the catch for da Bucks? And if they want, they could probably move Hawes. That would effectively move one of the NBA's worst contracts for nothing. Amazing. Michael Jordan signed off on that?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#457 » by JWizmentality » Thu Feb 2, 2017 11:27 pm

Somebody smarter than me explain why Charlotte traded away an extremely valuable expiring in Hibbert for Miles freakin Plumlee?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#458 » by J-Ves » Thu Feb 2, 2017 11:59 pm

Dark Faze wrote:As much as I hate the mahinmi acquisition, I'm not ready to move him until I see how the two center rotation goes. Only having Jason Smith as your backup has the potential to go so incredibly badly.

Honestly looking at the draft I don't think the late part of the 1st round is much better than the top quarter of the second. Getting Lou Williams for our pick this year and the right to swap our second with their second...a good GM could easily get the better player with that high 2nd pick imo. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Take a flyer on a guy like Michael Fusek lol

I don't think Lakers have their 2nd this year, so there goes that idea. That's good GMing though :wink:
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#459 » by Meliorus » Fri Feb 3, 2017 2:44 am

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Here's another playoff team who has many experiences with Lou Williams. Not too favorable.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#460 » by deneem4 » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:13 am

I reiterate il give up a 1st for hardaway Jr and Paul pierce
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
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