ImageImageImageImageImage

Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread.

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

User avatar
doclinkin
RealGM
Posts: 15,059
And1: 6,800
Joined: Jul 26, 2004
Location: .wizuds.

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#441 » by doclinkin » Mon Jul 4, 2022 2:17 pm

Dat2U wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
doclinkin wrote:

I can see that but I don't think Kispert loses his spot to Davis. They were surprised that he fought his way into the rotation but once there I don't think he slips out of it all that easily. He plays efficient ball that will only look better next to a true PG in Monte. Davis is a rookie and his game will require some re-tooling to fit the NBA. Unless he comes into the league with a jumper he built ion the offseason.



Very possible. I think Kispert & Davis (eventually) will both be hard to keep off the court. I can see both guys becoming favorites of WUJ. Both have high IQs and high motors. Kispert is relentless in his off ball movement and cutting, hustle for loose balls, and if he becomes the elite 3pt shooter that'll seal the deal.

If Davis is wrecking havoc on the defensive end, is making constant hustle plays, and rebounding, a coach preaching these things will be hard pressed to take him out, especially with a team that was woeful in those areas last season. Offensively will he make smart plays, make the open looks, and show he can get his shot off and get to the line vs NBA defenses.


To me the obvious move is to deal Rui as we have 4 other PFs on the roster. Yes, he has improved his 3-ball and as a perimeter defender but the rest of his game is still a work in progress. The awareness is still poor when it comes to defensive rotations or seeing the floor offensively which mutes his impact. I don't think he rebounds well enough as a 4 either. I don't see a breakout coming considering the crowded roster and lack of aggression from him. Nor do I see much benefit in extending him so moving him for any type of asset feels like a now or never scenario.



This is the thing that surprised me though. When you look at his shot chart you see that Rui is better than league average from everywhere on the floor except that mid-range shot he likes to take after dribbling towards the defense. His overall shooting % is low because he doesn't know which shot is a bad shot. He takes too many of those lower percentage shots even when they do go in.

What occurred to me was that if he had a true point guard who could get him the ball, and if he was playing in an actual offense with a full training camp and offseason, under a coach who is noted for teaching and player development, suddenly his seemingly inefficient game could be a steady bucketgetter.

I'd agree that Rui does not know where to be out there. Therefore he does not rebound as well as he should, nor defend, nor pass. But he is a natural at hitting shots. He is just taking bad shots. Seems like on that end its an easy fix: take the decision making out of his hands. Hit him with the ball when he is in position. Tell him to shoot when the PG finds him. Also, on defense, he is our best hope at slowing down the other team's star bucketgetter, one on one. Seems to me a smart coach can figure a role for him there.

What's funny is that on offense he is the exact opposite of Deni Avdija. Deno only takes good shots. He just misses them.. To the point where he knows the best shot he can take is to pass to someone else. Deni has the team best +/- because he was raised as a basketball player and has been a pro since he was 16 years old. He is a significant asset in team play, but so far can't win his own match-up. Deni can improve simply by working on that 3 ball, and possibly by getting weight room strong. I don't know that he will ever be a mismatch for the guy he's faced up on. Maybe under Drew Hanlen he develops moves and counter-moves. Adds new wrinkles to his game every year. He really needs something underneath. A jump hook. A dream shake. A Tim Duncan bank shot high off the glass. Your power forward needs to be able to score in the paint.

More than anything this team needs those mismatch talents though. We have smart guys and hustle guys but to take a leap forward you need those unstoppable guys who can finish even when tightly guarded. If I am looking for the players on the team who still have the most upside in this regard, after looking at the shot charts, Rui still tops the list. Rui, and Porzingis staying healthy/playing like he did this past year. Now it could be that Rui gets traded for picks or a prospect that may turn into that upside guy who pans out. But I think we get more even in trade value if we show Rui playing well with a true PG, in an actual system that teaches basketball and uses him to his strengths. And at that point it becomes an honest question if it is worth it to swap him. Or if he will never learn the other aspects of veteran play.

Rui was not well served by playing under Scott Brooks coming into the league. Brook's philosophy of coaching is to let the stars do what they do. Put some scrappy guys on the floor next to them. That's not the best system for new players trying to find their role in the league. Then Rui played next to a guy with the intensity of Westbrook, and it both fired him up and possibly shook him. From that he jumped into the pressure cooker of the Olympics, and then broke down emotionally after trying to carry the hopes and dreams of an entire country. No offseason, no teaching to improve his game, high stakes/high pressure/bright spotlight/no room to make mistakes.

Now though, under Wes, if we turn into a team that actually develops players to their strengths, we may get more value from the guy. Or at least better value in trade.

Its either that or somehow Kuzma, who looks like he knows what he is doing, actually becomes the Kuzma he thinks he is. Because Kuzma shoots all the right shots, and is simply basically below average at making them. Except in the clutch. Which may or may not be a statistical fluke given that he misses those same shots earlier in the game. Maybe what Kuzma needs is a hypnotist. To make every situation a pressure situation, so he focuses with the same intensity all game instead of only playing well in desperation. Come to think of it maybe that is why his defense also picked up in the Bubble championship playoff run. He is too cool to care most of the time. I dunno. It is probably something in his numerology :clown:
prime1time
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,936
And1: 2,184
Joined: Nov 02, 2016
         

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#442 » by prime1time » Mon Jul 4, 2022 3:13 pm

Dat2U wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
doclinkin wrote:

I can see that but I don't think Kispert loses his spot to Davis. They were surprised that he fought his way into the rotation but once there I don't think he slips out of it all that easily. He plays efficient ball that will only look better next to a true PG in Monte. Davis is a rookie and his game will require some re-tooling to fit the NBA. Unless he comes into the league with a jumper he built ion the offseason.



Very possible. I think Kispert & Davis (eventually) will both be hard to keep off the court. I can see both guys becoming favorites of WUJ. Both have high IQs and high motors. Kispert is relentless in his off ball movement and cutting, hustle for loose balls, and if he becomes the elite 3pt shooter that'll seal the deal.

If Davis is wrecking havoc on the defensive end, is making constant hustle plays, and rebounding, a coach preaching these things will be hard pressed to take him out, especially with a team that was woeful in those areas last season. Offensively will he make smart plays, make the open looks, and show he can get his shot off and get to the line vs NBA defenses.


To me the obvious move is to deal Rui as we have 4 other PFs on the roster. Yes, he has improved his 3-ball and as a perimeter defender but the rest of his game is still a work in progress. The awareness is still poor when it comes to defensive rotations or seeing the floor offensively which mutes his impact. I don't think he rebounds well enough as a 4 either. I don't see a breakout coming considering the crowded roster and lack of aggression from him. Nor do I see much benefit in extending him so moving him for any type of asset feels like a now or never scenario.

The obsession this board has with trading Rui is fascinating. Unless we are going to bring back something of real value I have no desire to trade him. Even the complaints - he lacks awareness/he doesn't know where to be/he doesn't rebound well enough - strike me as bizarre. Rui at worst is a defender that you don't have to hide and just showed significant improvement from 3-point range. To say that you don't see the chance for improvement is fascinating to me.

Given his improved shooting, teams will have to run him off the 3-point line. This will open the rest of his offensive game and make everything much easier. Instead of driving in and taking contested long 2's, he will start to shoot more 3's. If the team closes out hard on him at the 3-point line, he should pump fake and drive-in, now taking a wide-open mid-range jumper. Barring trade Rui should be the starting PF on this team. Outside of Beal and Porzingis, he is the one guy that projects as an efficient scorer. Does he process the game as quick as would be ideal? No. But on that front he has shown consistent improvement.

;ab_channel=TremendousUpside
Look at this play at 1:31. He pumpfakes, Toppin jumps, Rui drives kicks to Gill, relocates to the 3-point line and knocks down the 3. The next play they trap Avdija (something that teams have done to Beal for years) Rui relocates up and knocks down the 3. The previous two plays before 1:31, Rui takes Arcidiacno off the dribble and Sims off the dribble. The whole video is just a showcase as to how tough it is to guard Hachimura.

With his improved 3-point shooting, Rui has the ability to score at all 3 levels. Only a handful of teams will have good enough defenders to really be able to effectivelyand guard Beal, Porzingis and still put a capable defender onto Rui. Now that he have more capable guards, Rui will be able to get back into his pick and roll or pick and pop game, and continue to just rack up easy points. If his 3-point shooting holds up, Rui projects as a player who will finish the season shooting 50% plus from the field.

As Rui continues to refine his game, his offense only stands to improve. The skill is already there, now it's a matter of figuring out when to do what. And the coach placing him in positions to be successful. So far from the belief that Rui can't improve, the reality is that Rui could be an easy 20 ppg scorer on great efficiency. How many players can we say that about on this team?

And here's the real truth, all the negatives that you mentioned are things that can be improved with good coaching. Look at Nick Young - he lacked awareness. He has a NBA Championship. Look at Javale McGee, he lacked awareness. Now he has 3 championships. You don't just get rid of guys who can score efficiently at volume. It's the most important attribute an NBA player can have.
NatP4
RealGM
Posts: 14,779
And1: 6,010
Joined: Jul 24, 2016
         

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#443 » by NatP4 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 4:24 pm

What
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 34,798
And1: 20,371
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#444 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 4, 2022 4:41 pm

mhd wrote:...
PG: Morris (24); Wright (18); Beal (6)
SG: Beal (30), Barton (10), Kispert (8), Davis (0)
SF: Deni (24), Kispert (12), Rui (6), Barton (6)
PF: Kuz (30), Rui (18), Gill (0), Todd (0)
C: KP (32), Gaff (16), Carey (0)

I'd like to ramp up those minutes for Deni & Rui, but can't find any. Plus, there isn't any PT for Davis.

This is going to be fascinating...

Going by history - Wes seems to play 3 guards and vets more often. So, I could see Morris, Wright, Beal, Barton, Kispert and Barton's minutes going up.

I can see Deni and Rui's minutes going down. I also see some small ball Kuz minutes so can see KP's & Gafford's minutes going down a bit as well.

Tactics with no strategy is just the noise before defeat...
9 and 20
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,663
And1: 1,223
Joined: Mar 28, 2021
 

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#445 » by 9 and 20 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 5:41 pm

NatP4 wrote:What


Image
Can't say I do. Who else gonna shoot?
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,185
And1: 22,599
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#446 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 5:59 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
mhd wrote:...
PG: Morris (24); Wright (18); Beal (6)
SG: Beal (30), Barton (10), Kispert (8), Davis (0)
SF: Deni (24), Kispert (12), Rui (6), Barton (6)
PF: Kuz (30), Rui (18), Gill (0), Todd (0)
C: KP (32), Gaff (16), Carey (0)

I'd like to ramp up those minutes for Deni & Rui, but can't find any. Plus, there isn't any PT for Davis.

This is going to be fascinating...

Going by history - Wes seems to play 3 guards and vets more often. So, I could see Morris, Wright, Beal, Barton, Kispert and Barton's minutes going up.

I can see Deni and Rui's minutes going down. I also see some small ball Kuz minutes so can see KP's & Gafford's minutes going down a bit as well.

Tactics with no strategy is just the noise before defeat...

I don't see why Wes would have a predilection to play 3 guard sets with this squad. One interesting about this team is that we have big forwards with guard-like abilities. Kuzma and Avdija can do the same things that one expects a guard to do. With that the case, as long as one of Kuzma or Avdija are in the game, it's like having a 3-guard lineup, but without the size limitations.

Heck, over the second half of last season, Kuzma and Avdija tended to be the secondary playmaker while KCP and Kispert played a small forward's role on offense.
User avatar
SUPERBALLMAN
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,555
And1: 1,282
Joined: Aug 08, 2006
     

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#447 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:03 pm

prime1time wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:

Very possible. I think Kispert & Davis (eventually) will both be hard to keep off the court. I can see both guys becoming favorites of WUJ. Both have high IQs and high motors. Kispert is relentless in his off ball movement and cutting, hustle for loose balls, and if he becomes the elite 3pt shooter that'll seal the deal.

If Davis is wrecking havoc on the defensive end, is making constant hustle plays, and rebounding, a coach preaching these things will be hard pressed to take him out, especially with a team that was woeful in those areas last season. Offensively will he make smart plays, make the open looks, and show he can get his shot off and get to the line vs NBA defenses.


To me the obvious move is to deal Rui as we have 4 other PFs on the roster. Yes, he has improved his 3-ball and as a perimeter defender but the rest of his game is still a work in progress. The awareness is still poor when it comes to defensive rotations or seeing the floor offensively which mutes his impact. I don't think he rebounds well enough as a 4 either. I don't see a breakout coming considering the crowded roster and lack of aggression from him. Nor do I see much benefit in extending him so moving him for any type of asset feels like a now or never scenario.

The obsession this board has with trading Rui is fascinating. Unless we are going to bring back something of real value I have no desire to trade him. Even the complaints - he lacks awareness/he doesn't know where to be/he doesn't rebound well enough - strike me as bizarre. Rui at worst is a defender that you don't have to hide and just showed significant improvement from 3-point range. To say that you don't see the chance for improvement is fascinating to me.

Given his improved shooting, teams will have to run him off the 3-point line. This will open the rest of his offensive game and make everything much easier. Instead of driving in and taking contested long 2's, he will start to shoot more 3's. If the team closes out hard on him at the 3-point line, he should pump fake and drive-in, now taking a wide-open mid-range jumper. Barring trade Rui should be the starting PF on this team. Outside of Beal and Porzingis, he is the one guy that projects as an efficient scorer. Does he process the game as quick as would be ideal? No. But on that front he has shown consistent improvement.

;ab_channel=TremendousUpside
Look at this play at 1:31. He pumpfakes, Toppin jumps, Rui drives kicks to Gill, relocates to the 3-point line and knocks down the 3. The next play they trap Avdija (something that teams have done to Beal for years) Rui relocates up and knocks down the 3. The previous two plays before 1:31, Rui takes Arcidiacno off the dribble and Sims off the dribble. The whole video is just a showcase as to how tough it is to guard Hachimura.

With his improved 3-point shooting, Rui has the ability to score at all 3 levels. Only a handful of teams will have good enough defenders to really be able to effectivelyand guard Beal, Porzingis and still put a capable defender onto Rui. Now that he have more capable guards, Rui will be able to get back into his pick and roll or pick and pop game, and continue to just rack up easy points. If his 3-point shooting holds up, Rui projects as a player who will finish the season shooting 50% plus from the field.

As Rui continues to refine his game, his offense only stands to improve. The skill is already there, now it's a matter of figuring out when to do what. And the coach placing him in positions to be successful. So far from the belief that Rui can't improve, the reality is that Rui could be an easy 20 ppg scorer on great efficiency. How many players can we say that about on this team?

And here's the real truth, all the negatives that you mentioned are things that can be improved with good coaching. Look at Nick Young - he lacked awareness. He has a NBA Championship. Look at Javale McGee, he lacked awareness. Now he has 3 championships. You don't just get rid of guys who can score efficiently at volume. It's the most important attribute an NBA player can have.



I'm not really interested in trading Rui. I think he still could take a big step this year. After a couple crazy NBA seasons due to Covid, then the drain & missed time from the Olympics, I'm hoping to see a new & improved Rui this season.

I want him to start with Kuzma in the frontcourt. Their combined size/length and ability to score, plus Porzingis, is going to be a good combination I think. And I still like Deni and his potential, and I see him in a 6th man role coming in at either forward spot, essentially able to rotate the 3 of them continuously between the 2 forward spots.

The issue comes in having to pay all three soon, which becomes difficult thanks to Beal. THE Best case scenario is Rui, Kuz, and Deni all step up and we keep all 3, with Kispert also becoming a big time shot maker, and Davis being the steal of this draft and the front office realizing we don't need Brad and move him at the deadline or end of this season for a big time package of draft picks.
"I love it when a plan comes together" - Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
tleikheen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,094
And1: 1,103
Joined: Feb 07, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#448 » by tleikheen » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:21 pm

One interesting about this team is that we have big forwards with guard-like abilities. Kuzma and Avdija can do the same things that one expects a guard to do. With that the case, as long as one of those guys are in the game, it's like having a 3-guard lineup, but without the size limitations.


Exactly ..... which is why Beal can be the PG with Avidja and Kuzma in the lineup. It doesnt make sense to separate Morris and Barton who have played together for the last 4 yrs . They would bring cohesion to the 2nd unit .Playing big with Beal as PG looks more like a winning lineup than starting 2 180# guys (Morris & Barton) with Beal.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,185
And1: 22,599
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#449 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 6:24 pm

I disagree with this. I don't think Beal will be at his most effective if he is playing PG. He is a shooting guard who can play point in a pinch, but he is not a natural PG.

The solution is to start Delon Wright. His defense and 3-point shooting will be a big help in the starting lineup. Morris and Barton can play together on the 2nd unit.
tleikheen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,094
And1: 1,103
Joined: Feb 07, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#450 » by tleikheen » Mon Jul 4, 2022 7:02 pm

Beal's last month before injury he avg 8.3 apg /3.4 to in 11 games. His greatest weapon is offense and very few other PG's would outplay him. The Wiz offense is being designed to run the offense through Porzingus and Beal (6'4"/207lbs) like Jokic and Murray (6"3"/215lbs).
When you look at the Wiz its fascinating to see fans get excited to see two backup PG's signed and see excitement that their going to equate to more wins. Their insurance ,not missing pieces to the starting lineup.
tleikheen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,094
And1: 1,103
Joined: Feb 07, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#451 » by tleikheen » Mon Jul 4, 2022 7:21 pm

You watch enough NBA you see Kawhi,Jimmy Butler ,Luka,Lebron,Draymond,Cade ,Smart bringing the ball up and initiating offense ,isnt the Wizz offense suppose to run through Porzingus and Beal.

I think the strength and emphasis of the Wiz besides Beal's elite scoring will be the frontcourt (Porzingus/Gafford, Kuzma/Hachimura/Avidja/Kispert) play over (Barton/Morris/Wright/Davis).
payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,666
And1: 9,129
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#452 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 4, 2022 7:50 pm

tleikheen wrote:You watch enough NBA you see Kawhi,Jimmy Butler ,Luka,Lebron,Draymond,Cade ,Smart bringing the ball up and initiating offense ,isnt the Wizz offense suppose to run through Porzingus and Beal.

I think the strength and emphasis of the Wiz besides Beal's elite scoring will be the frontcourt (Porzingus/Gafford, Kuzma/Hachimura/Avidja/Kispert) play over (Barton/Morris/Wright/Davis).

We all watch plenty of NBA.

You see a picture in your mind. In that picture the team does some thing you just thought of &, guess what, it turns out great. Wow!

Only thing is... a picture in your mind is just... a picture in your mind. That's all it is.

In basketball as in every other activity in life, when we do something we've never done before we call it "an experiment." Something to try in order to see how well it works or doesn't.

One other thing: I've been watching Jimmy Butler since he was at Marquette. I haven't seen him bring the ball up court & initiate the offense very often. Neither have you.

Still, sure, why not experiment w/ Beal at the point? Could start by seeing how well it works in practice.

Btw -- what do you mean by "Beal's elite scoring?"
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 34,798
And1: 20,371
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#453 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:32 pm

I was all-in for the Beal at PG "experiment". But we signed two PGs - and there you have it.

I also would have liked lineups featuring three of our forwards - getting more minutes for our young forwards seemed like a good way to improve them and showcase them.

Alas, watching Wes last year and making an assumption that he will coach the same way, I see lots of three guard lineups instead. I see disproportionate PT for Morris; Wright; Beal, Barton & Davis on the horizon.

This is a guess of course - but I think that is where we are at...
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 34,798
And1: 20,371
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#454 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:37 pm

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
mhd wrote:...
PG: Morris (24); Wright (18); Beal (6)
SG: Beal (30), Barton (10), Kispert (8), Davis (0)
SF: Deni (24), Kispert (12), Rui (6), Barton (6)
PF: Kuz (30), Rui (18), Gill (0), Todd (0)
C: KP (32), Gaff (16), Carey (0)

I'd like to ramp up those minutes for Deni & Rui, but can't find any. Plus, there isn't any PT for Davis.

This is going to be fascinating...

Going by history - Wes seems to play 3 guards and vets more often. So, I could see Morris, Wright, Beal, Barton, Kispert and Barton's minutes going up.

I can see Deni and Rui's minutes going down. I also see some small ball Kuz minutes so can see KP's & Gafford's minutes going down a bit as well.

Tactics with no strategy is just the noise before defeat...

I don't see why Wes would have a predilection to play 3 guard sets with this squad. One interesting about this team is that we have big forwards with guard-like abilities. Kuzma and Avdija can do the same things that one expects a guard to do. With that the case, as long as one of Kuzma or Avdija are in the game, it's like having a 3-guard lineup, but without the size limitations.

Heck, over the second half of last season, Kuzma and Avdija tended to be the secondary playmaker while KCP and Kispert played a small forward's role on offense.

I am going by all the three guard lineups at the beginning of last season. I think history will repeat itself but would be pleasantly surprised if that wasn't the case.

We will have to let this one age and check back 20 games into the season.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,185
And1: 22,599
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#455 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:41 pm

I just don't understand this idea that Wes Jr. has some type of inexplicable predilection for small ball. I've seen no evidence of it at all, except that he was a little slow to insert Sato into the starting lineup. It took him 12 games to start Sato when it probably should have taken 8 or 9 games. (Most coaches try not to be too quick to bench a guy in favor of a newcomer.)
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 34,798
And1: 20,371
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#456 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 4, 2022 8:50 pm

See you in 20 games - I hope you are right... My guess is the guards, Morris; Wright; Beal; Barton, and Davis will play more than 96 minutes. I think Kispert should be in that group as well.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,185
And1: 22,599
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#457 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 4, 2022 9:15 pm

dckingsfan wrote:See you in 20 games - I hope you are right... My guess is the guards, Morris; Wright; Beal; Barton, and Davis will play more than 96 minutes. I think Kispert should be in that group as well.


So unless all the forward minutes go exclusively to Avdija, Kuzma, Hahimura and Gill, you are going to accuse the coach of fetishizing smallball?

I just disagree with that stance. I consider Barton, Davis and Kispert to be SG/SF's, capable of playing the two positions interchangeably. If they end up taking a significant chunk of SF minutes, I won't consider it some kind of fundamental error in coaching philosophy. I'll only be upset if they are getting minutes over Avdija/Hachimura/Kuzma while playing worse than them.
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 34,798
And1: 20,371
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#458 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 4, 2022 10:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:See you in 20 games - I hope you are right... My guess is the guards, Morris; Wright; Beal; Barton, and Davis will play more than 96 minutes. I think Kispert should be in that group as well.

So unless all the forward minutes go exclusively to Avdija, Kuzma, Hahimura and Gill, you are going to accuse the coach of fetishizing smallball?

I just disagree with that stance. I consider Barton, Davis and Kispert to be SG/SF's, capable of playing the two positions interchangeably. If they end up taking a significant chunk of SF minutes, I won't consider it some kind of fundamental error in coaching philosophy. I'll only be upset if they are getting minutes over Avdija/Hachimura/Kuzma while playing worse than them.

Fair enough... I think it will be a repeat of last season. I don't think Wes will change his coaching philosophy (which we will see come to light over a number of seasons).

I think we will see time with the two PG lineup and Beal. I think we will see lots of time with what I consider a three-guard lineup.

I disagree with you that Davis is going to be a SF out of the gate. So, there is that. Barton and Kispert, fine - but they both defend like SGs, IMO (and not all that well).

So, I think we will see lots of minutes taken buy Barton, Davis and Kispert reducing the minutes going to Rui and even more to Deni. I don't think he will reduce Kuzma's minutes at all.

Later on in the season when it isn't working I think he will migrate to bigger lineups. I think he has a chance to have us with big lineups - but I don't think that is the direction he will go.

I guess we will have to wait to see what happens.
Dat2U
RealGM
Posts: 24,149
And1: 7,912
Joined: Jun 23, 2001
Location: Columbus, OH
       

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#459 » by Dat2U » Tue Jul 5, 2022 12:18 am

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:See you in 20 games - I hope you are right... My guess is the guards, Morris; Wright; Beal; Barton, and Davis will play more than 96 minutes. I think Kispert should be in that group as well.


So unless all the forward minutes go exclusively to Avdija, Kuzma, Hahimura and Gill, you are going to accuse the coach of fetishizing smallball?

I just disagree with that stance. I consider Barton, Davis and Kispert to be SG/SF's, capable of playing the two positions interchangeably. If they end up taking a significant chunk of SF minutes, I won't consider it some kind of fundamental error in coaching philosophy. I'll only be upset if they are getting minutes over Avdija/Hachimura/Kuzma while playing worse than them.


Agreed. Kispert's best position is probably SF based on his skillset. Barton has been interchangible at either wing spot for Denver. I'm penciling him and Morris in the starting lineup for shooting and offensive pop.

I also think Davis will endear himself quickly with his defensive intensity and could even steal a few minutes alongside Beal in some lineups.

I would be disappointed if the Wizards carried Kuz, Deni & Rui into the regular season. I assume a consolidation trade is coming.
Dat2U
RealGM
Posts: 24,149
And1: 7,912
Joined: Jun 23, 2001
Location: Columbus, OH
       

Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread. 

Post#460 » by Dat2U » Tue Jul 5, 2022 12:24 am

Morris 24 Wright 20
Beal 36 Davis 16
Barton 24 Kispert 16
Kuzma 24 Avdija 16 Hachimura 16
Porzingis 28 Gafford 20

Best i could come up with for current group.

Return to Washington Wizards