Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[Pointgod]

You have me confused with someone else, dude. Your memory is worse than Biden's...

Oh, I definitely didn't confuse you with someone else. Your support of Trump and your false equivalencies were obvious if not transparent. And here you go again with the same rhetoric.

List out what you think are the failings of the Biden Administration in your own words...

why would I engage in a debate with you over the Biden's failures when you are BLATANTLY LYING (or forgetting...tends to happen with the elderly) about me voting for Trump, which is laughable if you simply do a search for my posts in these political threads. You, like many other libs, don't operate in good faith, so I'm not going to debate with you, and I really don't have to. Biden's approval rating speak for itself.

Buddy this was you in 2020, when Trump had taken a wrecking ball to the whole country and was demonstrating that he is a completely deranged lunatic.

The only other options I'm even considering is Warren, Gabbard, and Yang. Everyone else is can KMA.

The Trump scaremongering doesn't work on me anymore. If the Democrats don't change their corrupt practices, and stop being Republican-lite, they can continue losing.

Here’s the link to the thread less you try to accuse me of lying.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1802065&start=320

It’s actually laughable that you supported Tulsi Gabbard who appeared at CPAC and Andrew Yang who was another faux left wing grifter. You claim to be left wing, but you don’t actually care about left wing policies, you’re just all about hating actual Democrats.

So by your own admission, we at least know that you wanted Trump to win again in 2020. And you’re afraid to tell us who you voted for in 2016 (we know it wasn’t Clinton). So tell us who you voted for in 2016 or else the obvious conclusion is that you voted for Trump because you’re too embarrassed to admit it.

You actually don’t want to have a debate in good faith. All you do is repeat the same tired attention seeking trolling act, then run off instead of engaging. You’ve been literally doing the same, pathetic act for 6 years now and I’d encourage everyone to in this thread to not give you the attention that you grovel for.

[TGW]

TGW may be the world's most irritating sore loser and he may be a little nuts and he sure talks like someone who voted for Trump but I guess he says he didn't so... :shrug:

See how triggered some of you babies are when your little sh*tlib bubble gets popped. It’s hilarious. Pointing out the obvious factual statement “biden is failing spectacularly based on polling” sent some of you off a cliff. No accountability…just mudlsinging. That’s why the dems are going to lose the house, possibly the senate, the whitehouse, and they’ve already lost in the SC. It’s a terrible party and people like you are the reason why.

[montestewart]

Wizpride, please throw down some tweets so we can move on to another topic.

[Zonkerbl]

Biden's forthcoming criminal justice reform package is a mixed bag. There's this:

"Several of Biden’s proposals Thursday will focus on police interactions with people who have disabilities or are experiencing a mental health crisis, for example teaming law enforcement officers with social workers or other professionals. A number of recent police shootings — or deaths of people in police custody — have involved individuals struggling with mental health problems."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/21/biden-crime-gun-budget/

[Kanyewest]

https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-woman-forced-endure-painful-labor-deliver-nonviable-fetus-1725821

Louisiana Woman Forced to Endure 'Painful' Labor to Deliver Nonviable Fetus

[dobrojim]

Yep, he is done. And you will get a few more years of YOUR GUY Trump... pretty happy?

Remember - you voted for Trump, so think about your own perspective when you jump in.

Really? I voted for Trump? Show me the evidence that I voted for Trump.

It's funny that the **** accuse everyone who doesn't kiss Biden's ass a Trump supporter. It's an indictment on how terrible this broken two party system is. Oh, and btw, as terrible as Trump was, his administration was heads and shoulders better than the Biden administration. Biden has been in office for what feels like 100 years, and yet his administration has been incompetent, underprepared, and lacking any direction whatsover.

The Biden supporters (what little left there is) need to take responsibility for this massive FAIL of a president.

i don't remember you voting for trump but i do remember you being an idiot re: blowing up dem failings while handwaving away republican evils, and continue to do so.

explain how trump's administration is heads and shoulders above the current one?

trump's administration was both evil and incompetent. the only meaningful legislation that was passed was the tax cuts and jobs act. his executive orders boiled down to cartoon-villain-levels of evil re: immigration and rolling back environmental protections. the rest was just gaffe after gaffe. fist-bumping MBS pales in comparison to anything Trump did. falling off a bicycle? what are you even talking about?

yes, i'm frustrated at the lack of results from ostensibly Dem control of WH + Congress but it's really Manchin's fault. Is Biden a weak president in terms of having control over his party? yes. is it Joe's fault? to a degree. but to regurgitate Fox talking points about how Biden is a walking corpse alzheimer's patient is not operating in good faith.

check yourself.

In your otherwise great post above you left out what I have hypothesized is an overlooked
part of the DJT legacy, unabashed corruption. It gave more run of the mill republicans
a reason to join the administration. They could steal with no consequences. The Trump
admin was arguably the most corrupt in our nation's history despite all the claims by pubs
that both parties are the same when it comes to graft.

[Pointgod]

Biden's forthcoming criminal justice reform package is a mixed bag. There's this:

"Several of Biden’s proposals Thursday will focus on police interactions with people who have disabilities or are experiencing a mental health crisis, for example teaming law enforcement officers with social workers or other professionals. A number of recent police shootings — or deaths of people in police custody — have involved individuals struggling with mental health problems."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/21/biden-crime-gun-budget/

This is literally what a lot of activists have been asking for. Any significant police accountability and reform needs to come from Congress aka eliminate the filibuster.

[Zonkerbl]

Biden's forthcoming criminal justice reform package is a mixed bag. There's this:

"Several of Biden’s proposals Thursday will focus on police interactions with people who have disabilities or are experiencing a mental health crisis, for example teaming law enforcement officers with social workers or other professionals. A number of recent police shootings — or deaths of people in police custody — have involved individuals struggling with mental health problems."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/21/biden-crime-gun-budget/

This is literally what a lot of activists have been asking for. Any significant police accountability and reform needs to come from Congress aka eliminate the filibuster.

Sorry should have been clearer, I keep assuming everyone reads all of my posts and know what my positions are. I don't read more than the first few sentences of TGW's posts so why should I complain

This is the best part of it imho. Not nuts about the increase in cop funding, not sure what "community policing" means in this context. But introducing social workers or other professionals into mental health crisis incidents is a good start.

[Zonkerbl]

"Don't worry" they said. "We're not coming after gay marriage or contraception" they said

Read on Twitter

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[Pointgod]

Biden's forthcoming criminal justice reform package is a mixed bag. There's this:

"Several of Biden’s proposals Thursday will focus on police interactions with people who have disabilities or are experiencing a mental health crisis, for example teaming law enforcement officers with social workers or other professionals. A number of recent police shootings — or deaths of people in police custody — have involved individuals struggling with mental health problems."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/21/biden-crime-gun-budget/

This is literally what a lot of activists have been asking for. Any significant police accountability and reform needs to come from Congress aka eliminate the filibuster.

Sorry should have been clearer, I keep assuming everyone reads all of my posts and know what my positions are. I don't read more than the first few sentences of TGW's posts so why should I complain

This is the best part of it imho. Not nuts about the increase in cop funding, not sure what "community policing" means in this context. But introducing social workers or other professionals into mental health crisis incidents is a good start.

I think you can’t ignore that there are communities where crime has increased that need resources to address it. This is just reality despite how you feel about policing.

Biden was expected to propose nearly $3 billion to help communities clear court backlogs and solve homicides; a $15 billion grant program to prevent violent crime and reroute police resources in nonviolent cases; and $5 billion for community violence intervention programs.

Qualified immunity had to be done through congress or at the State level (and the Supreme Court could reverse it of course), congress can’t defund the police , they have zero say on police budgets. This is what can be done through executive actions but I expect to see the typical Twitter talking points that Biden is doing nothing.

[Pointgod]

"Don't worry" they said. "We're not coming after gay marriage or contraception" they said

Read on Twitter

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Republicans voted against marriage discrimination based on sexual orientation and race (interracial marriage was conspicuously absent from what Clarence Thomas wanted to dismantle). Republicans just lie and lie and lie

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

[Zonkerbl]

Those communities have more resources now than they did 20 years ago when crime was higher. Not buying it.

[Zonkerbl]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/increased-police-spending-leads-to-more-misdemeanor-arrests.html

https://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/2022/03/crime-and-police-spending

This article mentions, in passing, the focus on the "dominate and pacify" aspect of police training, to the detriment of all other relevant skills:
https://towardsdatascience.com/police-killings-city-spending-and-violent-crime-61754788482b

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/07/over-past-60-years-more-spending-police-hasnt-necessarily-meant-less-crime/

[Zonkerbl]

Counterpoint, by someone who seems to take their statistics seriously:

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/04/20/988769793/when-you-add-more-police-to-a-city-what-happens

They also find that misdemeanor arrests go up, however

"The economists also find troubling evidence that suggests cities with the largest populations of Black people — like many of those in the South and Midwest — don't see the same policing benefits as the average cities in their study. Adding additional police officers in these cities doesn't seem to lower the homicide rate. Meanwhile, more police officers in these cities seems to result in even more arrests of Black people for low-level crimes."

I find it an amazingly even handed finding to say "if the police were to focus more on solving violent crimes (the hard stuff) and less on harassing black people (the easy stuff) it would absolutely make sense to increase police budgets"

[Zonkerbl]

Interesting thread on nuke power waste "nonproblem"

This is completely new to me, and I was in energy policy for a bit in 2008-2010, any nuke engineers in the audience who can confirm/deny this?

Read on Twitter

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[dckingsfan]

Interesting thread on nuke power waste "nonproblem"

This is completely new to me, and I was in energy policy for a bit in 2008-2010, any nuke engineers in the audience who can confirm/deny this?

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Back from my self-imposed day off...

Any economists in the house to tell us why private industry doesn't want to fund new plants?

I think that is the elephant in the room - you can have a group saying it is safe but if they aren't funded then it doesn't matter, right?

[Zonkerbl]

Back in 2010 there were lots of investors running around, there were 19 applications for new plants, just couldn't cut through the politics. Don't know what the situation is now but if I were an investor I would say "solve the political problem first and then I'll invest"

https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactors/col.html

[Zonkerbl]

In case you missed it:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

[dckingsfan]

Back in 2010 there were lots of investors running around, there were 19 applications for new plants, just couldn't cut through the politics. Don't know what the situation is now but if I were an investor I would say "solve the political problem first and then I'll invest"

https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactors/col.html

More important than that - the cost of wind and solar has dropped dramatically. Both in terms of their cost per Kw but also in terms of their cost to deploy.

The energy investors I know think that solar and wind costs will continue to decline making nuclear a bad investment. They also believe that by the time that a nuclear plant rolls online the storage problem will be solved (and certainly by the time that the nuclear plant starts making a profit (if ever).

This is no longer a technical/scientific problem, it is now an economic issue. If we want nuclear, then the government will need to build the plants (doing the bad investing if you will) to cover us in the short term (next 20 years).

[dckingsfan]

I went down a rabbit hole the other day - I was triggered by a comment from someone that said our excess deaths are back to "normal".

So... I wanted to know: should we expect excess deaths to be back at zero (since we just culled the herd if you will); and where are excess deaths now and why?; and what will be the long-term impact of Covid on quality of life and lifespan. Too many rabbit holes.

Regardless, I stumbled across this article - still reading it as it is long. You might find it interesting...

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/07/us-life-span-mortality-rates/670591/