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The What Should We Do With the 5th Pick II: IBJ Edition

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Re: The What Should We Do With the 5th Pick II: IBJ Edition 

Post#441 » by LyricalRico » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:31 pm

In a relatively surprising move, Antawn Jamison did not take a member of North Carolina's championship team (I'm half-kidding). Jamison went with USC freshman swingman DeMar DeRozan. But when you read his explanation, you will see the North Carolina connection (there had to be one, right?).

Jamison says: "He reminds me of Vince Carter as a Tar Heel -- the build, the body and athleticism. He could've been a top pick if we didn't have the age limit. But he'll benefit from the veterans, and in two or three years, he can be a household name."


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Well, I'm glad Jamison isn't the GM. DeRozan? Are you kidding me?
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Post#442 » by Optms » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:43 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
In a relatively surprising move, Antawn Jamison did not take a member of North Carolina's championship team (I'm half-kidding). Jamison went with USC freshman swingman DeMar DeRozan. But when you read his explanation, you will see the North Carolina connection (there had to be one, right?).

Jamison says: "He reminds me of Vince Carter as a Tar Heel -- the build, the body and athleticism. He could've been a top pick if we didn't have the age limit. But he'll benefit from the veterans, and in two or three years, he can be a household name."


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Well, I'm glad Jamison isn't the GM. DeRozan? Are you kidding me?


DeRozan isn't a bad pick at all for Washington. I think his weakness' are being far too over hyped. He's no Vince Carter (although never say never) but he's going to make a lot of teams look back on this draft and second guess on passing him up.
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Re: The What Should We Do With the 5th Pick II: IBJ Edition 

Post#443 » by tkunit » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:43 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
In a relatively surprising move, Antawn Jamison did not take a member of North Carolina's championship team (I'm half-kidding). Jamison went with USC freshman swingman DeMar DeRozan. But when you read his explanation, you will see the North Carolina connection (there had to be one, right?).

Jamison says: "He reminds me of Vince Carter as a Tar Heel -- the build, the body and athleticism. He could've been a top pick if we didn't have the age limit. But he'll benefit from the veterans, and in two or three years, he can be a household name."


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... rozan.html

Well, I'm glad Jamison isn't the GM. DeRozan? Are you kidding me?



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Post#444 » by Soup's Uncle » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:46 pm

^I thought the same thing.
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Post#445 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:13 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
In a relatively surprising move, Antawn Jamison did not take a member of North Carolina's championship team (I'm half-kidding). Jamison went with USC freshman swingman DeMar DeRozan. But when you read his explanation, you will see the North Carolina connection (there had to be one, right?).

Jamison says: "He reminds me of Vince Carter as a Tar Heel -- the build, the body and athleticism. He could've been a top pick if we didn't have the age limit. But he'll benefit from the veterans, and in two or three years, he can be a household name."


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... rozan.html

Well, I'm glad Jamison isn't the GM. DeRozan? Are you kidding me?


A posted this days-ago, at-least Michael Lee could have given me credit for the story idea. :)
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Post#446 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:24 pm

8-) Looks-like Curry or even Rubio could be ours to sell to the highest bidder if the reports are correct. I hope OKC doesn't F it up.

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Post#447 » by pancakes3 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:32 pm

Optms wrote:DeRozan isn't a bad pick at all for Washington. I think his weakness' are being far too over hyped. He's no Vince Carter (although never say never) but he's going to make a lot of teams look back on this draft and second guess on passing him up.


he's going in the lottery. his upside is well documented. the only way he makes people second-guess letting him drop out of the top 5 is if he has a paul pierce-esque career.
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Post#448 » by Severn Hoos » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:42 pm

FWIW, the video from today's workout is up:

http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/workouts_090622.html

Calathes is really the only interesting player there. Looks good - would be a great pick-n-stash player at #32 or if they move up into the late 1st. Not someone I'd trade down for, though. That Kings video made me think he'll really struggle defensively against NBA starters. (I know, pick on the white guy's defense...)

I wonder if this will be the last workout before the draft? Would they bring back anyone for a 2nd look? (Remember Kwame's call-back where he "destroyed" Chandler - that didn't work out so well.) If they do bring in one or more guys, we'll know they're in serious consideration. I wonder if the team would/could keep it under wraps if they did bring in someone?
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Post#449 » by WizarDynasty » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:54 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:FWIW, the video from today's workout is up:

http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/workouts_090622.html

Calathes is really the only interesting player there. Looks good - would be a great pick-n-stash player at #32 or if they move up into the late 1st. Not someone I'd trade down for, though. That Kings video made me think he'll really struggle defensively against NBA starters. (I know, pick on the white guy's defense...)

I wonder if this will be the last workout before the draft? Would they bring back anyone for a 2nd look? (Remember Kwame's call-back where he "destroyed" Chandler - that didn't work out so well.) If they do bring in one or more guys, we'll know they're in serious consideration. I wonder if the team would/could keep it under wraps if they did bring in someone?

he is always going to have slow feet and get blown by on defense no matter how good is passing is.
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Post#450 » by Ruzious » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:04 pm

My criticisms of Calathes from that video - He looked awfully slow on the 2 man break - both as the finisher and the distributor. He obviously doesn't have the strength - let alone athleticism - to begin to play the 2. And he doesn't have the speed to play major minutes at the 1. Guys, he's got great skills, but to make the NBA, you've got to have certain physical characteristics that he doesn't have - and I don't mean race. I was expecting to see him bulked up, but he looks skinnier than in college. He'll have a long career in Europe.
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Post#451 » by Ruzious » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:15 pm

Gotta like Mike Jones' positive quote in the Wash Times today:
"A lot of teams want that fifth pick," one league official said on the condition of anonymity. "It's rare a winning team can be in the position to select fifth, and if the Wizards are interested in moving back, it's a good opportunity for some teams."
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Post#452 » by pancakes3 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:24 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... reen_room/

hansborough's in the green room. it would make for some embarassing tv.

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holiday's agent doesn't want him here in DC. the feeling is mutual.
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Post#453 » by Wizardspride » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:31 pm

Ruzious wrote:My criticisms of Calathes from that video - He looked awfully slow on the 2 man break - both as the finisher and the distributor. He obviously doesn't have the strength - let alone athleticism - to begin to play the 2. And he doesn't have the speed to play major minutes at the 1. Guys, he's got great skills, but to make the NBA, you've got to have certain physical characteristics that he doesn't have - and I don't mean race. I was expecting to see him bulked up, but he looks skinnier than in college. He'll have a long career in Europe.

I agree with your entire post.

It's funny how many posters are concerned with Harden's athleticism while jocking Calathes.

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Post#454 » by AgentOvechkin08 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:35 pm

Dan Fegan kills me, its kinda funny how he tries to manipulate the draft to make it perfect for his clients.
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Post#455 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:35 pm

Ruzious wrote:Gotta like Mike Jones' positive quote in the Wash Times today:
"A lot of teams want that fifth pick," one league official said on the condition of anonymity. "It's rare a winning team can be in the position to select fifth, and if the Wizards are interested in moving back, it's a good opportunity for some teams."


I'd rather it be a good opportunity for the Wizards. As mentioned on previous pages, its the trade scenarios that scare me the most. Any deal where the paramount objective is dumping salary or getting rid of Etan's contract will cause me to lose it. Same with any deal bringing back a marginal player like Mike Miller or Wilson Chandler. Like Doc, this is a great opportunity for the Wiz to improve the talent level and depth on this team, and do so relatively cheaply on a rookie contract.

Unless were trading for a all-star PF like Amare or Bosh, or a young stud like Speights or Fernandez we should keep the pick.

I'd be thrilled if we draft either Curry, Rubio or Evans

I'd be slightly dissapointed but okay with it if we draft either Harden, Flynn or Holiday.

I'll jump off a bridge if we draft Thabeet, Hill or Jennings
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Post#456 » by Halcyon » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:38 pm

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Optms wrote:DeRozan isn't a bad pick at all for Washington. I think his weakness' are being far too over hyped. He's no Vince Carter (although never say never) but he's going to make a lot of teams look back on this draft and second guess on passing him up.


he's going in the lottery. his upside is well documented. the only way he makes people second-guess letting him drop out of the top 5 is if he has a paul pierce-esque career.

From the limited times I've seen him, DeRozan reminds me of Richard Jefferson a little bit. A high flier that doesn't have much range or handles. Anybody else see this or am I the only one?
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Post#457 » by Ruzious » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:46 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Gotta like Mike Jones' positive quote in the Wash Times today:
"A lot of teams want that fifth pick," one league official said on the condition of anonymity. "It's rare a winning team can be in the position to select fifth, and if the Wizards are interested in moving back, it's a good opportunity for some teams."


I'd rather it be a good opportunity for the Wizards. As mentioned on previous pages, its the trade scenarios that scare me the most. Any deal where the paramount objective is dumping salary or getting rid of Etan's contract will cause me to lose it. Same with any deal bringing back a marginal player like Mike Miller or Wilson Chandler. Like Doc, this is a great opportunity for the Wiz to improve the talent level and depth on this team, and do so relatively cheaply on a rookie contract.

Unless were trading for a all-star PF like Amare or Bosh, or a young stud like Speights or Fernandez we should keep the pick.

I'd be thrilled if we draft either Curry, Rubio or Evans

I'd be slightly dissapointed but okay with it if we draft either Harden, Flynn or Holiday.

I'll jump off a bridge if we draft Thabeet, Hill or Jennings

EG, are you listening. Me and Dat want Speights. Make it happen!!!
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Post#458 » by no D in Hibachi » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:09 pm

Count me in on the Speights bandwagon. I've been wanting him since Dat suggested it months ago. I'd consider him the second best prospect of the 09 draft.
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Post#459 » by RickRoll_inDC » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:17 pm

What does this Dan Fagen have against Washington? First he doesn't want Rubio to workout for the Wizards and now it's te same exact thing with Holiday. hat's this guy's beef?
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Post#460 » by Wizardspride » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:24 pm

gilbertgoes05 wrote:What does this Dan Fagen have against Washington? First he doesn't want Rubio to workout for the Wizards and now it's te same exact thing with Holiday. hat's this guy's beef?

I don't think he has any particular beef (though Gilbert did fire him) against Washington.

I think he just sees Gil at the PG position and wonders where his clients will play.

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