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Post#441 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:Bad things happen on the way to a franchise record losing streak. But Flip really does look bad by the sheer fact that - if he didn't suspend Blatche, what was Flip talking about. He must have mis-read the situation. So now he should at least give the public an update. At least say - it was a misunderstanding. By playing him, it makes Flip look awfully foolish and seems to exonerate Dray.

Flip was the one in the wrong.

Period.

Ed Wood, you can write all the prose you want. Flip was wrong.


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...Blatche lashed out and ripped Saunders, calling the coach’s version a “bald-face lie,” even demanding an apology from him.

Essentially, Blatche was given an apology. His coach backed down, walked away and let down the franchise in a way no 23-year-old could ever do. Bad enough the Wizards let so much go with a franchise star in Arenas, but now Blache and his tired, sorry act is going to run roughshod over the organization, too?


The Yahoo reporter is calling blatche tired, sorry, and assuming that Andray's lying. Flip going public in the first place started this. Andray playing means Flip lost. He lost credibility. Thanks to Flip, Andray's lost credibility, too. This has been a lose lose. Nationally, bad press for the Wizards.

I'm glad Andray spoke up and didn't whimper away like a dog with his tail between his legs.
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Post#442 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:37 pm

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cdouglas wrote:Saunders talks too much! He should know better than to go to the media about this. With all the mess that's going on with this franchise, this is the last thing they need to add to the list. I have to agree with the postee, who said Saunders wants out. Good riddance, get him outta here! I wish the Pollins would hurry and sale this team to Leonsis. Things that must be addressed during the offseason;

New Coach
Change the name of the team
Change everything about this team that is cursed.


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I'm far from a Flip basher, but I do agree he talks too damn much... If something is wrong, address it behind closed doors... This team/organization has too many crap to deal with as it is...

I hope we start over clean next year and get some unknown college coach or something... We really need to clean up this mess and completely start over...


The Wizards may be a decent situation for a college coach, since most of the team will be young guys who need to develop.


Moving forward, that's an excellent idea. If Flip were to agree to a buyout (doubtful, but I can wish) the Wizards should look at someone like Paul Hewitt or some other high-profile college coach who's looking to move on.
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Post#443 » by dandridge 10 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:38 pm

You can't be serious CCJ. You really think it is a HOF post for someone to suggest that Flip make up a story about why Dray didn't play. Listen, I agree that Flip should have been more reserved in his statements regarding Blatche. However, it would be downright stupid of Flip to lie about why Blatche was benched. The media would certainly find out the real reason and then Flip would look like an idiot. Flip already is being painted as a *ussy by the media because he let Blatche play the next night. I can't imagine what the press would have said if it came out that Blatche dissed Flip, Flip covered up for Blatche by saying his ankle was hurt, and then let him play the next night. Flip should have simply said that Blatche was benched for insubordination and left it at that.
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Post#444 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:42 pm

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Ed Wood wrote:Yes, I do not have any idea what precisely occurred CCJ, but I'm not providing anyone with a pass when the entire roster and coaching staff has conspired to produce some truly abominable basketball over the course of the year. I'm certainly not toasting Flip for the histrionics on his part that have characterized this season. I don't care how frustrating it's been for him to have to helm our trash barge (extremely I'm sure) and I don't loose sleep at night as I imagine he might over what this year is doing to his reputation and his ability to find another job should he part ways with this one. I'm even very fond of Andray, insofar as a fan can be fond of a player without knowing him and while he's part of a dirty dozen tasked with the desperate mission to attempt to convince that fan to never want to watch basketball again. That's why I'm coming down on Andray here, because I care about Andray and I want to see the guy accomplish something in a Wizards uniform.

And you know what, maybe Andray is in the relative right here. Maybe he had no intention whatsoever to do anything but everything he could to follow Flip's instructions and is genuinely mystified by Flip's indignation. Maybe he wanted to get in that game and be a part of that loss yesterday and it hurt him that Flip did not share that desire. Maybe five hundred years from now when we build an all-knowing all-powerful supercomputer to reveal to us the mysteries of the universe it will inform us that the biggest son of a bitch in the history of creation was Flip Saunders on the night of Tuesday, March 23, 2010. I must reiterate, I don't give a **** about Flip Saunders. As far as I'm concerned at the end of the year we can see him off with a firm handshake and a tattoo of the team's record across the forehead and that'd be swell. But I do care about Andray, and I want him to be a good player, and he's closer than he's ever been, closer than I expected he'd be when the Wizards traded Antawn Jamison.

And what I'm seeing right now is from Andray is bush league as hell. Flip should not have come crying to the media with his various woes but again, if I were Flip Saunders secret Santa I'd be chewing ten **** bucks worth of gum when I looked the man in the eyes and told him I didn't have the cash to buy a gift; you get the idea. Andray could have stepped up and earned some respect, which is apparently a pretty big deal for him, and kept it in house, talked with Flip, worked things out, been the professional. Instead we're running play-by-play for a dick waving contest. Yeah, I'm sure it rankled Andray's pride to have to hear Flip kvetching about him to anyone who'd listen, but there ain't no escalator to the high road. I will certainly say that from what has been attributed to Andray he comes off better here than Flip, but that's not the better I want when I want better from Blatche. If Andray is tired of dealing with Flip I want him to be the bigger man until Flip's so small he disappears. I don't want to hear about what fraction of the problem Andray thinks he's responsible for, that's a number that's going to get bigger every time Andray mentions it.


Just to reiterate, this is right on point. Well said.

The bottom line is that, in the NBA (and hell, in every professional sport), your coach simply has the capacity to bitch about you to the press that you don't have the other way. It's not fair, but it's how it is. That's something Blatche should realize now that he's been in the league for all these years. Make no mistake about it: the reason this story continues to fester (and hell, the reason guys like Woj keep writing about it) is because Blatche didn't take responsibility for his mistake right off the bat, even if said mistake was probably blown up.

And of course Flip comes across poorly, but like Ed said, who cares?


Blatche and his teammates are non persons, I guess. I would think the team cares that a man who doesn't bother to apply any mental filter when addressing the media can make any of them household names as slackers.

After the way Blatche has played since the trade all that is known nationally thanks to Flip is that he refused to play, whether that's truthful or not. Flip hasn't been portrayed poorly. Andray Blatche has.

As a fan of a terrible team I care. I think all the teammates should care that a coach who IMO did flat terrible with the players at his disposal before the trade is still throwing bodies under the bus.

I care about that.
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Post#445 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:44 pm

keynote wrote:^
Because the repercussions linger on. Because it's still worthwhile (as worthwhile as any message board post is, anyway) to discuss Flip's managerial style, or to assess whether Blatche is worthy of being a part of this team's future going forward. Because, as someone else stated in this thread, fans are concerned about the impact this fracas may have had on our team's reputation amongst potential FAs and the like.

Thanks, keynote.

This whole issue has our board seemingly split right down the middle.

If Flip doesn't say a thing but keeps it internal, none of this happens.
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Post#446 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:04 pm

dandridge 10 wrote:You can't be serious CCJ. You really think it is a HOF post for someone to suggest that Flip make up a story about why Dray didn't play. Listen, I agree that Flip should have been more reserved in his statements regarding Blatche. However, it would be downright stupid of Flip to lie about why Blatche was benched. The media would certainly find out the real reason and then Flip would look like an idiot. Flip already is being painted as a *ussy by the media because he let Blatche play the next night. I can't imagine what the press would have said if it came out that Blatche dissed Flip, Flip covered up for Blatche by saying his ankle was hurt, and then let him play the next night. Flip should have simply said that Blatche was benched for insubordination and left it at that.


We won't agree on this.

This time I'm not the only one feeling Flip started this whole thing by talking too much.

Blatche played the next day after Flip and EG met to discuss this. That's the fact.
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Post#447 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:13 pm

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dandridge 10 wrote:You can't be serious CCJ. You really think it is a HOF post for someone to suggest that Flip make up a story about why Dray didn't play. Listen, I agree that Flip should have been more reserved in his statements regarding Blatche. However, it would be downright stupid of Flip to lie about why Blatche was benched. The media would certainly find out the real reason and then Flip would look like an idiot. Flip already is being painted as a *ussy by the media because he let Blatche play the next night. I can't imagine what the press would have said if it came out that Blatche dissed Flip, Flip covered up for Blatche by saying his ankle was hurt, and then let him play the next night. Flip should have simply said that Blatche was benched for insubordination and left it at that.


We won't agree on this.

This time I'm not the only one feeling Flip started this whole thing by talking too much.

Blatche played the next day after Flip and EG met to discuss this. That's the fact.

I concur that Flip talked too much, but making up a blatant lie like that wasn't the answer. They had a misunderstanding - both Flip and Blatche were at fault. And Flip made it appear worse when he opened his mouth. But... hopefully, it leads to better communication in the future - and turns a negative into a positive.
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Post#448 » by keynote » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:02 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
This time I'm not the only one feeling Flip started this whole thing by talking too much.

Blatche played the next day after Flip and EG met to discuss this. That's the fact.


Here are more facts:

After the Wizards completed practice on Thursday, which is rare following back-to-back games, Blatche took a slightly different tone when asked what he's learned over the past few days. Blatche was apologetic and remorseful after clashing with Saunders during what he called a "winnable game" that the Wizards lost in overtime.

"It was petty on my behalf," he said. "I heard him talking to me and I didn't stop. I regret doing that. I could've dodged the whole situation between me and him. It took some time, but I was wrong, I see that now. It could've easily been defused and I just want everything to be back how it was."


I'm glad to hear Blatche sound more contrite than he did yesterday. It bothered me that he felt completely justified in his part in the miscommunication; now, he's owning up to his role.

While Blatche accepts responsibility for the way he handled his dispute with Saunders, he is adamant that he didn't quit on his teammates.

"I didn't say I didn't want to play," Blatche said. "I did walk past [Saunders] -- or I didn't stop when he called my name. They can look at me as a bad person on that one. But I didn't say I didn't want to play. Stuff happens. Nobody is perfect. I apologize to him, the organization, my teammates and the fans. If they forgive me, I'll love that. If not, I'll have to regain their trust back."


And, there's the apology. Good for him; good for Flip. Good for the franchise. Hopefully they can both learn how to better manage situations like these in the future.
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Post#449 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:31 am

Real live facts are good. Thanks keynote.

And before anyone says - "Well, other people have done what Blatche did." Just stop. It doesn't matter. The fact that other people may have done that is no excuse. That's a lesson most 1st graders understand - just like the rule that you listen to authority figures.
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Post#450 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:44 am

^ def agree with Ruz. Biggest words coming out of Blatche's mouth were "I was wrong." Props to him at least for apologizing while sticking to what he knows really happenned. Now hopefully he and Flip have talked and this wasn't just between Dray and the media.

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Post#451 » by Silvie Lysandra » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:54 am

Sig bet right here and right now.

Flip Saunders will never work in the NBA again.

We have had an NBA head coach lie to cover his own ass in a dispute with a player who hardly did anything wrong other than not run back fast enough on defense with a bad ankle. A player who has been averaging 23/8 as a starter. A player who finally put in a summer of work, and yet has an incredibly short leash. Whereas "veterans" can make error after error and continue to get heavy minutes, come what may.

Flip Saunders LIED about one of his own players to deflect blame for a dispute If that is not unprecedented, that is despicable to the utmost degree, and if not for the ownership situation, is a move that warrants IMMEDIATE termination. Saunders should have been pink slipped after the game. Instead, Blatche is blamed, and cast as just another Wizards' malcontent.

However, while the media may be stupid, front offices are not. They will realize that the bulk of the blame rested with Saunders, not Blatche. They will realize that a coach who throws his own players under the bus can not and will not be anything other than a negative for the franchise. He will be passed over for people who may not have the basketball knowledge that he does, but happen to be better leaders, motivators, and human beings.

No matter his record, no matter his skills - the first job of the head coach, in a player-driven league, is to lead, teach, motivate, and inspire his players. Flip Saunders does the opposite.
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Post#452 » by sfam » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:30 am

I get people being disappointed in Saunders' actions during this event, but I just don't get anyone taking Blatche's side and saying his actions were acceptable. The dude is still a knucklehead. I'm not sure that's gonna change. Perhaps it will someday, but probably not anytime soon. And no, there is never an excuse for the crap he did that night and the following day. Saunders should have suspended him. Period.

But he didn't. Saunders' reasoning was weak I thought, but then again, after 14 loses, who really cares about the reasoning. The team has clearly broken down, doesn't have much talent, and even less drive. At this point I'm just hopin for one of the top three spots.

As for Saunders lying to cover his ass, good luck with that. I'm far more willing to believe that a guy with a history of being a knucklehead probably was one again.
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Post#453 » by Silvie Lysandra » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:47 am

flip saunders has a history of being a knucklehead too but it's okay because he's an old white guy who happens to be the boss
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Post#454 » by queridiculo » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:28 am

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:^ def agree with Ruz. Biggest words coming out of Blatche's mouth were "I was wrong." Props to him at least for apologizing while sticking to what he knows really happenned. Now hopefully he and Flip have talked and this wasn't just between Dray and the media.

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I'm shocked by what seems like the first mature response I've seen from Blatche since being with the Wizards. In my mind he still hasn't shaken the knucklehead label, but he just end up making me a believer.

Let's see if he can keep up both his play, and his levelheadedness.
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Post#455 » by Dat2U » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:46 am

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Ed Wood wrote:Yes, I do not have any idea what precisely occurred CCJ, but I'm not providing anyone with a pass when the entire roster and coaching staff has conspired to produce some truly abominable basketball over the course of the year. I'm certainly not toasting Flip for the histrionics on his part that have characterized this season. I don't care how frustrating it's been for him to have to helm our trash barge (extremely I'm sure) and I don't loose sleep at night as I imagine he might over what this year is doing to his reputation and his ability to find another job should he part ways with this one. I'm even very fond of Andray, insofar as a fan can be fond of a player without knowing him and while he's part of a dirty dozen tasked with the desperate mission to attempt to convince that fan to never want to watch basketball again. That's why I'm coming down on Andray here, because I care about Andray and I want to see the guy accomplish something in a Wizards uniform.

And you know what, maybe Andray is in the relative right here. Maybe he had no intention whatsoever to do anything but everything he could to follow Flip's instructions and is genuinely mystified by Flip's indignation. Maybe he wanted to get in that game and be a part of that loss yesterday and it hurt him that Flip did not share that desire. Maybe five hundred years from now when we build an all-knowing all-powerful supercomputer to reveal to us the mysteries of the universe it will inform us that the biggest son of a bitch in the history of creation was Flip Saunders on the night of Tuesday, March 23, 2010. I must reiterate, I don't give a **** about Flip Saunders. As far as I'm concerned at the end of the year we can see him off with a firm handshake and a tattoo of the team's record across the forehead and that'd be swell. But I do care about Andray, and I want him to be a good player, and he's closer than he's ever been, closer than I expected he'd be when the Wizards traded Antawn Jamison.

And what I'm seeing right now is from Andray is bush league as hell. Flip should not have come crying to the media with his various woes but again, if I were Flip Saunders secret Santa I'd be chewing ten **** bucks worth of gum when I looked the man in the eyes and told him I didn't have the cash to buy a gift; you get the idea. Andray could have stepped up and earned some respect, which is apparently a pretty big deal for him, and kept it in house, talked with Flip, worked things out, been the professional. Instead we're running play-by-play for a dick waving contest. Yeah, I'm sure it rankled Andray's pride to have to hear Flip kvetching about him to anyone who'd listen, but there ain't no escalator to the high road. I will certainly say that from what has been attributed to Andray he comes off better here than Flip, but that's not the better I want when I want better from Blatche. If Andray is tired of dealing with Flip I want him to be the bigger man until Flip's so small he disappears. I don't want to hear about what fraction of the problem Andray thinks he's responsible for, that's a number that's going to get bigger every time Andray mentions it.


I read your prose and am not as impressed as others. Great on style points. Low on substance.

When someone maligns your character publicly it could be called defamation. If a coach, and a losing one at that does it, you don't earn respect as a professional by keeping quiet. Why should Andray be the bigger man?

Honestly, I don't care any more for Blatche than Saunders. I don't care if either is affiliated with the Wizards or another team. On principle, I'd like both to prosper professionally and for the team to win. Subjectively, I'd like the coach to be the bigger man since he's closer to my age and I would think would know better.

If you don't want to hear Andray admit to feeling partially responsible I think you tacitly approve of Flip not taking any responsibility. You want Andray to be the Martin Luther King or the Gandhi or the Jackie Robinson. Fine.

Personally, I want Flip to be held accountable for the terrible job he's done this season.


Um, lets remember what started the incident?

I have no problem with Flip initially sitting Blatche for sleepwalking on D. Frankly, I'm not interested in having Blatche mimick Antawn Jamison's defensive effort. Nor am I interested in Blatche having that same since of entitlement by believing its okay to blow off a coach b/c its "too early to be talking about talking bad shots". I want Flip to nip these bad habits in bud right now. Flip needs to ride Blatche hard. There's a different level of expectation from a guy that's a 7th man and THE man. And I think Flip was not going let Blatche get away with slacking off.

If this was a test, Blatche failed miserably.

However, there's no doubting Flip went way overboard in that press conference following the game. That was too far over the top. I think Flip lost it. He may have realized that by his willingness to forgive and forget despite Blatche's explosive comments to the media the next day.

This definitely could have been handled in-house. But Flip let his emotions get the best of him. But that doesn't excuse Blatche though. Both Flip & Blatche showed major flaws in this episode. Right now, the only thing that seperates Andray & Kwame Brown right now is production. They both have the same idiot gene. And Flip is continuing to prove he may not have the right personality (too high strung, too negative) or the golatas (weak/soft) to lead a rebuild with a young roster.
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Post#456 » by Hoopalotta » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:33 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The Yahoo reporter is calling blatche tired, sorry, and assuming that Andray's lying. Flip going public in the first place started this. Andray playing means Flip lost. He lost credibility. Thanks to Flip, Andray's lost credibility, too. This has been a lose lose. Nationally, bad press for the Wizards.


I think this is the bottom line, well illustrating why it's just a terrible idea to have these sorts of negative and sensationalist post game pressers loaded with banner sound bites for guys like Wojo and Wilbon to seize upon. Flip's 15 years of experience didn't tell him that this wasn't going to end well?

Yeah, there might be a 'proper way' for the players to respond, but it's always going to be a matter of damage control to minimize the negative fallout; no response is going to set things 'righter' than if Flip had just kept his mouth 'shutter' to start with.

90% of the national media is never going to believe that Blatche did anything other than outright verbally refuse to come back in the game. I've seen journalists say that Blatche initiated some kind of 'shouting match' with Flip (it was actually a heated, but formal, post-game meeting with Ernie, but, whatever, much more exciting story this way). Once the Wiretap's buzzing, you can't put the shyte back in the bull.

While Blatche could have responded 'better', I'm quite sure that a continued pattern of this sort of things from Flip will undermine cohesion well past the breaking point, with players responsiveness inevitably and necessarily eroding. Let's not forget that this was the second media blowup in about a dozen games, with the first being a maverick diatribe about "piss dribbling down our (his) leg" after a game that most people found encouraging (Boston). Does the team trust a guy who could thrash individuals publicly to the world after a tough loss on the road against a high seed playoff team? We'll give this guy three rookies next year? Really?

If he continues to average one media hatchet job per six games, we're looking at an untenable situation. Nobody's going to 'respond in a constructive manner to an authority figure' if this keeps up.

We'll just have to see how things play out from here, but it will be interesting to see if Saunders changes his policy seeing as that he was well within the blast radius of this one, if not at ground zero:

Saunders also disputed Wojnarowski's report that stated: "Pistons players tell the story of Rasheed Wallace calling Saunders the "worst [bleeping] coward I've ever seen" after a loss in the 2008 Eastern Conference playoffs. Everyone was there. Everyone heard it. And nothing. Saunders took it, and watched his credibility and command of that team die a little more."

"I've never been in a situation where something was said to me like that by Rasheed," he said, "but don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."


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Post#457 » by hands11 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:00 am

I guess some of you aren't seeing the reasoning to my suggestion. First off, Dray did have an injured ankle, so it wouldn't have been a out right lie. What I said was you don't air you dirty laundry and leave a young player like Dray out to dry. And you never make a bad situation worse when you don't have the fact by assuming things. You provide some cover and take care of things behind closed doors. It likely would have either stayed like that and Flip would have no doubt earned a lot of respect by Dray or if it did come out, much less of it would have been in public.

As the story has come out, I think Flip looks a lot worst than Dray. Dray never said he wouldn't or didn't want to play. Flip over reacted and there was a misunderstanding. Sure, Drays actions started it all, but just not wanting to listen to a coach in the heat of the moment isn't worthy of all that has followed because of the way Flip handled it.

The way Flip did it, he looked bad and Dray looked bad.

But at least Dray has stepped it up to deal with the situation. I'm personally over the issue. They have worked it out and Dray seems to have stepped up. This goes to my little story I wrote about the more mature person always cleans their side of the street. My take, Dray is looking more mature than Flip.


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After initially taking a defensive stance and claiming he "didn't do nothing wrong," Blatche admitted Thursday he should've handled the situation better. "It was petty on my behalf. I heard him talking to me and I didn't stop. I regret doing that," Blatche said. "I owe an apology to the fans and to the organization, to him, my teammates. It took some time, but I was wrong, I see that now. It could've easily been defused and I just want everything to be back how it was."

Blatche said he understands the damage that the incident may have done to his reputation. "I didn't stop when he called my name. They can look at me as a bad person on that one. But I didn't say I didn't want to play," he said. "Stuff happens. Nobody is perfect. If they forgive me, I'll love that. If not, I'll have to regain their trust back."

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This is why you provide cover. He just needed some time.
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Post#458 » by hands11 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:23 am

dandridge 10 wrote:You can't be serious CCJ. You really think it is a HOF post for someone to suggest that Flip make up a story about why Dray didn't play. Listen, I agree that Flip should have been more reserved in his statements regarding Blatche. However, it would be downright stupid of Flip to lie about why Blatche was benched. The media would certainly find out the real reason and then Flip would look like an idiot. Flip already is being painted as a *ussy by the media because he let Blatche play the next night. I can't imagine what the press would have said if it came out that Blatche dissed Flip, Flip covered up for Blatche by saying his ankle was hurt, and then let him play the next night. Flip should have simply said that Blatche was benched for insubordination and left it at that.


I usually respect your post D10 but this wasn't one of your best.

First, I was simply suggesting the kind of thing he could have said and my suggestion wasn't an outright lie. Dray did have and injured ankle. But what specifically he should have said wasn't the core of my post. The point was to buy time until he could talk to Dray. He didn't play him. He was going to have to say something about it. I like my twisting of the truth way better than Flips words. No one is going to come down on a coach for covering for a young player in Drays situation. Actually, he would probably get props for it. No one is going to slam a coach for twisting the truth until he can get to the truth.

As for Flip looking like an idiot. I think he did a pretty good job of that by the way he handled it.

As I said before, this so reminds me of Haywood and EFJ.
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Post#459 » by verbal8 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:21 pm

hands11 wrote:As I said before, this so reminds me of Haywood and EFJ.

I see the initial similarity young talented player not liked by the coach. A big difference is that EJ did not see Haywood as a valuable player. I am pretty sure Flip knows Blatche is a good player with the potential to be great. I think the conflict(s) primarily come from Flip being too hard on Blatche, rather than ignoring him as EJ did with Haywood.
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Post#460 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:23 pm

Dat2U wrote: Right now, the only thing that seperates Andray & Kwame Brown right now is production. They both have the same idiot gene.


Sad but so so true. But the idiot gene only hurts when its in the national media like this, we just need to learn the art of keeping this stuff in house. Thankfully I don't see Blatche being the face of this franchise anymore one this deplorable season ends.

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