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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#461 » by closg00 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:06 am

Zonkerbl wrote:uh... hold the phone guys. Booker is a matchup guy. Put him in the right situation and he dominates. In other situations he disappears. Not a long term solution at starting PF.


This :nod: Stands-out on an horrendous team like the Wizards, very situational and should be used wisely.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#462 » by TheBigThree » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:39 am

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Zonkerbl wrote:uh... hold the phone guys. Booker is a matchup guy. Put him in the right situation and he dominates. In other situations he disappears. Not a long term solution at starting PF.


This :nod: Stands-out on an horrendous team like the Wizards, very situational and should be used wisely.

Yeah, it's unfortunate he's not 2-3 inches taller.

He really needs to work on his fundamentals. He's got the quickness and leaping ability to get rebounds, despite his size disadvantage, but his insistence on going for one-handed rebounds is getting frustrating to watch. More often than not he resorts to smacking the ball out of bounds or trying to tip it to himself to no avail.

Probably could be a solid starter with a good 1-3 option in front of him, but as of right now he doesn't stand a chance at supplanting Blatche.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#463 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:09 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:uh... hold the phone guys. Booker is a matchup guy. Put him in the right situation and he dominates. In other situations he disappears. Not a long term solution at starting PF.

Yup, he's a situational player. He simply can't play against tall players who have any athleticism. Even guys like Charlie Villanueva eat his lunch. Good energy guy off the bench to use in good matchup situations - don't expect anything more on a Consistent basis.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#464 » by gesa2 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:53 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:uh... hold the phone guys. Booker is a matchup guy. Put him in the right situation and he dominates. In other situations he disappears. Not a long term solution at starting PF.

Yup, he's a situational player. He simply can't play against tall players who have any athleticism. Even guys like Charlie Villanueva eat his lunch. Good energy guy off the bench to use in good matchup situations - don't expect anything more on a Consistent basis.


Probably right. But that's great value on a rookie contract for the next 4 years.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#465 » by tontoz » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:13 pm

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Zonkerbl wrote:uh... hold the phone guys. Booker is a matchup guy. Put him in the right situation and he dominates. In other situations he disappears. Not a long term solution at starting PF.

Yup, he's a situational player. He simply can't play against tall players who have any athleticism. Even guys like Charlie Villanueva eat his lunch. Good energy guy off the bench to use in good matchup situations - don't expect anything more on a Consistent basis.


That is pure fiction. Charlie V got off becaue he was hot from the perimeter and Booker didn't close out well. It had nothing to do with height. He made 4 threes in that game. He also dropped 30 on the Clippers golden boy Blake Griffin.

In the post nobody has had any success backing Booker down or getting around him. All they can do is shoot over him and hope for the best. That is what you want to do in post defense, force guys to take contested jumpers.

Booker's only real problem defensively is getting too physical and picking up cheap fouls.
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Post#466 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:26 pm

Wha? You're agreeing with him word for word, yet start out post saying what he says is pure fiction. I'm confused.

I would say Booker can't play against tall players with a decent jumper. I don't think athleticism is his issue, but people who can just shoot over him and don't have to establish position in the post to do so will eat his lunch.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#467 » by tontoz » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:45 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Wha? You're agreeing with him word for word, yet start out post saying what he says is pure fiction. I'm confused.

I would say Booker can't play against tall players with a decent jumper. I don't think athleticism is his issue, but people who can just shoot over him and don't have to establish position in the post to do so will eat his lunch.


I agree you are confused. I think you need to read over it again. Saying Booker can't play against guys who are tall with any athleticism is definitely fiction. He has been doing exactly that all season.

Closing out on shooters has nothing to do the with height or athleticism of the guy he is defending. It doesn't matter if Charlie V was 6'2" he still would have dropped 4 threes. I am sure Booker doesn't have a lot of experience playing defense 20+ feet from the basket.

A good post defender wants guys to shoot contested jumpers. What they don't want is for someone to back them down for a short jump hook or drive by them for a layup. And Booker is plenty capable of contesting shots as seen by his shot blocks.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#468 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:10 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Wha? You're agreeing with him word for word, yet start out post saying what he says is pure fiction. I'm confused.

I would say Booker can't play against tall players with a decent jumper. I don't think athleticism is his issue, but people who can just shoot over him and don't have to establish position in the post to do so will eat his lunch.

Yup. I've pretty much learned to ignore him when he's arguing for the sake of arguing. It saves a lot of time.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#469 » by tontoz » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:22 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Wha? You're agreeing with him word for word, yet start out post saying what he says is pure fiction. I'm confused.

I would say Booker can't play against tall players with a decent jumper. I don't think athleticism is his issue, but people who can just shoot over him and don't have to establish position in the post to do so will eat his lunch.

Yup. I've pretty much learned to ignore him when he's arguing for the sake of arguing. It saves a lot of time.



Seems like you are also ignoring what is going on in the games given some of the stuff you post. Booker dropped 14/13 against an OKC front line that is neither short or unathletic just a few days ago.

But you pick out a game where a guy makes a few threes to use as an example that Booker can't play against guys who are tall and athletic. That makes about as much sense as suggesting Blatche should be a player/coach.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#470 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:39 pm

tontoz wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Wha? You're agreeing with him word for word, yet start out post saying what he says is pure fiction. I'm confused.

I would say Booker can't play against tall players with a decent jumper. I don't think athleticism is his issue, but people who can just shoot over him and don't have to establish position in the post to do so will eat his lunch.

Yup. I've pretty much learned to ignore him when he's arguing for the sake of arguing. It saves a lot of time.



Seems like you are also ignoring what is going on in the games given some of the stuff you post. Booker dropped 14/13 against an OKC front line that is neither short or unathletic just a few days ago.

But you pick out a game where a guy makes a few threes to use as an example that Booker can't play against guys who are tall and athletic. That makes about as much sense as suggesting Blatche should be a player/coach.

Did somebody say something? Nah, it was nobody.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#471 » by tontoz » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:15 pm

47% of Charlie V's shot attempts are 3s (he took 14 in 2 games against the Wizards). He plays like a guard and this is the guy Ruzious uses as an example.

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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#472 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:30 am

Every time I see that Dallas Cowboys-esque star tattoo on his arm I grimace.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#473 » by Severn Hoos » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:38 am

tontoz wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Wha? You're agreeing with him word for word, yet start out post saying what he says is pure fiction. I'm confused.

I would say Booker can't play against tall players with a decent jumper. I don't think athleticism is his issue, but people who can just shoot over him and don't have to establish position in the post to do so will eat his lunch.

Yup. I've pretty much learned to ignore him when he's arguing for the sake of arguing. It saves a lot of time.



Seems like you are also ignoring what is going on in the games given some of the stuff you post. Booker dropped 14/13 against an OKC front line that is neither short or unathletic just a few days ago.

But you pick out a game where a guy makes a few threes to use as an example that Booker can't play against guys who are tall and athletic. That makes about as much sense as suggesting Blatche should be a player/coach.


Wait, OKC's front line is athletic? Compared to the general population or just to other NBA front lines?


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Hey tontoz - FWIW, I'm a DC native living in the ATL area for the past 5 years, so I've had the chance to watch the Hawks as well. I can appreciate the dual-team approach, and when teams have been as mediocre as the Wiz & Hawks (last few years notwithstanding) for so long, at least you have 2 shots at a pleasant surprise - or twice the misery.

Anyway, at times it seems like you're looking for a fight, and the lifers (that's all we have around here, not exactly a bandwagon, as you've noticed) will tend to react by trying to send you back to the Hawks board. Just chill out a bit and don't take opinions as personal attacks, and I think you'll find the crew more hospitable.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#474 » by closg00 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:16 pm

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:Every time I see that Dallas Cowboys-esque star tattoo on his arm I grimace.


I was at the Nets game and during an intermission they showed a cheesy "This or That" segment where they ask Wiz players a series of trivial questions. One questions for Booker was Redskins? or Ravens? Booker said Ravens immediately, dude hates the Skins and he evn sports that big Cowboys tat on his arm. I wish I could have seen the look on his fact on draft night when he found-out he was headed to Skins territory :)
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#475 » by hands11 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:34 pm

tontoz wrote:47% of Charlie V's shot attempts are 3s (he took 14 in 2 games against the Wizards). He plays like a guard and this is the guy Ruzious uses as an example.

:roll:


You were misread.

You made valid points.

Don't get drawn in any farther than that.

Oh yeah,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

Wizards were also worried about Booker, who scored 10 points with 10 rebounds but had to leave in the fourth quarter with a foot injury. He had an X-ray after the game but the Wizards didn’t reveal the results. His availability for Sunday’s game against Golden State is in some doubt, since he moved around with a noticeable limp in the locker room after the game.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#476 » by Illuminaire » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:03 pm

Shall we just go ahead and assume that unless the medical staff changes over the summer, Booker will never walk again? *hangs head*
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#477 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:30 pm

Illuminaire wrote:Shall we just go ahead and assume that unless the medical staff changes over the summer, Booker will never walk again? *hangs head*


Oh no, he's on my fantasy team that's right in the thick of things ... Sorry for him and my team.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/pl ... 755176/rss

Booker limps off with foot injury : Wizards F Trevor Booker left during Friday's 114-94 loss to the Nuggets with a foot injury. Booker sustained the injury during the fourth quarter of the defeat and did not return to the contest after limping off the court. He had X-rays taken after the game, although the results were not released by team. Booker finished with 10 points, 10 rebounds, three blocks, and two assists prior to leaving with the injury.
(Updated 03/26/2011)


Methinks I'll drop him and pick up either Tyreke Evans or Baron Davis. :D
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#478 » by Piston Boris » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:49 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Booker limps off with foot injury : Wizards F Trevor Booker left during Friday's 114-94 loss to the Nuggets with a foot injury. Booker sustained the injury during the fourth quarter of the defeat and did not return to the contest after limping off the court. He had X-rays taken after the game, although the results were not released by team. Booker finished with 10 points, 10 rebounds, three blocks, and two assists prior to leaving with the injury.
(Updated 03/26/2011)


Methinks I'll drop him and pick up either Tyreke Evans or Baron Davis. :D


I hope Booker is OK.

I have him on a Yahoo fantasy team, #6 in a new dynasty league. If he's out, I can get either Ekpe Udoh or Samardo Samuels with the third of the three weekly picks I'm allowed this week.

I'm in the second round of a playoff with the #2 seed. The winner plays the #1 seed.

I have the #2 seed on the ropes, but it's going to the wire on Sunday.

The #2 seed's lineup is:

George Hill
Reggie Williams
Manu Ginobli
Grant Hill
Chris Bosh
Kevin Garnett
Jason Thompson
Andrew Bynum
Ramon Sessions
Shawn Marion
Pau Gasol
Tim Duncan
Jodie Meeks
Ron Artest

My team is:
Rodney Stuckey
Peja Stojakovic
Ben Gordon
Tayshaun Prince
Amar'e Stoudemire
Marc Gasol
Chris Kaman
Trevor Booker
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Greg Monroe
Tony Parker
Jordan Crawford
Luke Ridnour
Ryan Anderson

I have a good shot against #2, but #1 is in a class all by himself:
Jordan Farmar
Demar DeRozan
Chauncey Billups
LeBron James
Danny Granger
Tyler Hansbrough
David Lee
Al Jefferson
John Salmons
Kirk Hinrich
Anthony Randolph
Marcin Gortat
Luis Scola
Troy Murphy

Assuming I advance, there can be a scramble for the remaining halfway decent FAs on a thin waiver wire. I want to drop Ben Gordon for Randy Foye.

After the playoffs, I'm going to drop some guys and add others who'll be projected starters for their teams next year. I'll be younger and less reliant on declining vets compared to some other teams.

I've overachieved considering I picked last in a 14 team draft, dealt with injuries and underperforming players, and had the most open door lineup in that new league. It's been a roller coaster.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#479 » by closg00 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:51 pm

Trevor Booker will be listed as day-to-day after an X-ray late Friday night revealed no fractures in his right foot following a scare in the final minutes of the Wizards’ 114-94 loss to the Denver Nuggets. Booker will be a questionable with a sore right foot when the Wizards play the Golden State Warriors on Sunday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

Oh-well, all the better for the tanking.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#480 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:15 pm

Piston Boris wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Booker limps off with foot injury : Wizards F Trevor Booker left during Friday's 114-94 loss to the Nuggets with a foot injury. Booker sustained the injury during the fourth quarter of the defeat and did not return to the contest after limping off the court. He had X-rays taken after the game, although the results were not released by team. Booker finished with 10 points, 10 rebounds, three blocks, and two assists prior to leaving with the injury.
(Updated 03/26/2011)


Methinks I'll drop him and pick up either Tyreke Evans or Baron Davis. :D


I hope Booker is OK.

I have him on a Yahoo fantasy team, #6 in a new dynasty league. If he's out, I can get either Ekpe Udoh or Samardo Samuels with the third of the three weekly picks I'm allowed this week.

I'm in the second round of a playoff with the #2 seed. The winner plays the #1 seed.

I have the #2 seed on the ropes, but it's going to the wire on Sunday.

The #2 seed's lineup is:

George Hill
Reggie Williams
Manu Ginobli
Grant Hill
Chris Bosh
Kevin Garnett
Jason Thompson
Andrew Bynum
Ramon Sessions
Shawn Marion
Pau Gasol
Tim Duncan
Jodie Meeks
Ron Artest

My team is:
Rodney Stuckey
Peja Stojakovic
Ben Gordon
Tayshaun Prince
Amar'e Stoudemire
Marc Gasol
Chris Kaman
Trevor Booker
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Greg Monroe
Tony Parker
Jordan Crawford
Luke Ridnour
Ryan Anderson

I have a good shot against #2, but #1 is in a class all by himself:
Jordan Farmar
Demar DeRozan
Chauncey Billups
LeBron James
Danny Granger
Tyler Hansbrough
David Lee
Al Jefferson
John Salmons
Kirk Hinrich
Anthony Randolph
Marcin Gortat
Luis Scola
Troy Murphy

Assuming I advance, there can be a scramble for the remaining halfway decent FAs on a thin waiver wire. I want to drop Ben Gordon for Randy Foye.

After the playoffs, I'm going to drop some guys and add others who'll be projected starters for their teams next year. I'll be younger and less reliant on declining vets compared to some other teams.

I've overachieved considering I picked last in a 14 team draft, dealt with injuries and underperforming players, and had the most open door lineup in that new league. It's been a roller coaster.


My fantasy team is really the my favorite after years of playing. I started off the season drafting players who got hurt early in the season: Roy, Murphy, Noah, Baron Davis. Practically half my team was wiped out most of the year. Two weeks before the end of the regular season my team was 8th in a 12-team league where only the top six go to the championship round of the playoffs. My team went 7-2 and 9-0 the final two weeks of the season. Somehow, my team ended up the sixth-seed. My team won last week 5-4 and this week will win either 6-3 or 7-2. Next week is the final week. My team will end up 1st or 2nd!

Here's my team's current players:

Kyle Lowry
Baron Davis
Jordan Crawford (Probably will waive him with Nick back)
Eric Gordon
Marcus Thornton
Francisco Garcia
Trevor Booker (If he's day-to-day, I'll probably waive him)
Josh Smith
Paul Millsap
Dirk Nowitzki
Greg Monroe
Chris Kaman
Channing Frye

It should be a competitive last week. My team has a chance to win.

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