Official NBA Playoffs Thread

closg00 · Post #461 » by **closg00** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:42 pm

Upper Decker wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Oh, and Mike Greenberg of Mike & Mike should never talk about ANYTHING EVER again. Wow, he's clueless.

Fixed

Try listening to the wasteland that is 106.7 "The Fan" for more than a few minutes. Wretched.
I like Laron Profit on AM 980, he's about as -good as it gets from what I've heard.

tontoz · Post #462 » by **tontoz** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:52 pm

Hibbert can't defend the pick and roll. All Miami had to do was run a pnr with Hibbert's man and they could get an open look any time they wanted.

fishercob · Post #463 » by **fishercob** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:57 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
fishercob wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I disagree on Javale. I agree on poor guard play.

I think poor coaching had as much to do with Indy losing as anything else. A. J. Price, Jeff Pendergraph, and Kyrylo Fesenko are players that Frank Vogel didn't use this series. Price is a guard who plays good defense. I remember him from U Conn. He could have done much better than -25 in 19 minutes, which is what Darren Collison did. He wouldn't have turned it over as much as Barbosa. Pendergraph doesn't lack strength or athleticism. Seems to me that he's quicker than Hansbrough and at least should have got some minutes. Fesenko is huge. The Pacers needed to play big but they didn't. Hibbert was not that good in game 6. Perhaps the pace of the game was a factor.

I think Vogel's team played passively. The Pacers were really disappointing in the end.

It's always the coach's fault isn't it, my friend? AJ Price wouldn't have solved any of Indy's offensive problems. Indy just lost to a better team.

Indy's problems were too many turnovers, and that allowed Miami to get in transition. That got James and Wade going. Further, soft PG play let Chalmers score more than he should have.

Specifically, game 6 was the coach when you look at the success Indiana had going inside in quarter one, how Miami adjusted to the screens Indiana was setting and how the Heat forced many, many deflections and turnovers. Indiana stopped going inside. Darren Collison and Leandro Barbosa played too many very damaging minutes. Price could have helped their offensive problems just by not turning it over. Who cares if he didn't score. He is stronger than Collison and not as clueless as Barbosa played yesterday.

Vogel coached a crap game yesterday. David West was trying to play PG. Hibbert didn't get nearly enough shots. Vogel stayed with the same lineups instead of trying what I said above. They lost to a better team but not before they did the same dumb things with their bench in the third quarter as they had done with their bench in the second. Failure to adjust is on the coach IMO.

I disagree. "Failure to adjust" intimates the notion that if something is not working, you must try something else. That presupposes that "something else" is a better option than just executing better. Putting essentially untested youngsters who haven't been good enough to crack the rotation for most of the season/playoffs in to an elimination game strikes me as a recipe for disaster. It's not Vogel's fault that Barbosa had butterfingers or that Collison isn't a great ballhandler.

When Miami's complementary guys -- Miller, Chalmers, Battier -- make their 3's, good luck. You want their guys to not "play soft" off of them? You're then providing no help to the guys defending Wade and James = game over.

Indy has inferior talent to Miami. On top of that, the players didn't play well enough to win last night's game. On the flip side, Miami was phenomenal defensively, Wade and James were great, and their role players made huge shots. Give them credit,

dobrojim · Post #464 » by **dobrojim** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:26 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Upper Decker wrote:If Lebron and Wade play engaged and in sync like they have over the last three games I don’t see how they lose against OKC/SA.

very easily. as Fish said - penetrating PG's can/will shred them. Either Parker or Westbrook can pop off against the heat, either shooting double-digit FT's or letting their 3 point specialists to rain 3's down.

maybe INDY could draft Kendall Marshall...

sfam · Post #465 » by **sfam** » Sun May 27, 2012 5:10 am

As much as I'd love to see Boston dust Miami, unless Allen plays out of his mind, KG continues, and Pierce and Rondo do their thing, I don't see a chance of this happening. Bottom line, Boston has to be at their best to even have a chance against Miami, assuming we see Wade playing the way he has the past 3 games.

verbal8 · Post #466 » by **verbal8** » Sun May 27, 2012 6:05 am

sfam wrote:As much as I'd love to see Boston dust Miami, unless Allen plays out of his mind, KG continues, and Pierce and Rondo do their thing, I don't see a chance of this happening. Bottom line, Boston has to be at their best to even have a chance against Miami, assuming we see Wade playing the way he has the past 3 games.

I think losing Avery Bradley was a big blow for the Celtics. Without him, their bench really isn't any better than Miami's. KG and Rondo present some issues for the Heat, but I think Wade and LeBron are a lot worse for the Celtics.

closg00 · Post #467 » by **closg00** » Sun May 27, 2012 2:21 pm

Is jajuan johnson injured? I don't think I've ever seen him play this year.

hands11 · Post #468 » by **hands11** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:17 am

Great game 1 for the SA vs OKC series.

If you missed the game you wouldnt know from the box scores but Stephen Jackson stepped up big time. He and Tiago Splitter were key to the come back.

Interesting that the best team in the league is 36 year old number one pick along with mostly late first round picks and Manu a 2nd Rnd, 28th

Is there a team in the NBA that has less high pick player then SA ?

tontoz · Post #469 » by **tontoz** » Mon May 28, 2012 1:59 pm

The Spurs put on a clinic in the 4th quarter with their half court execution. Meanwhile OKC looked like the Hawks, just a bunch of guys going one on one.

sfam · Post #470 » by **sfam** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:30 pm

tontoz wrote:The Spurs put on a clinic in the 4th quarter with their half court execution. Meanwhile OKC looked like the Hawks, just a bunch of guys going one on one.

Except their guys are better at going one-on-one. But I agree with you. The Spurs just looked totally confident running their stuff going down to the end. Yet, Ginobli did quite a bit of his own one-on-one as well.

jimij · Post #471 » by **jimij** » Mon May 28, 2012 2:47 pm

Yes Ginobili was going one-on-one himself but the difference was he was going to the rim. The thunder werer settling for jumpers and every time they went into the lane they seemed to pick up a charge.

Upper Decker · Post #472 » by **Upper Decker** » Mon May 28, 2012 3:09 pm

Manu was simply amazing last night. I can't help but be completely impressed by his moxy. He owned the 4th quarter.

Nivek · Post #473 » by **Nivek** » Tue May 29, 2012 3:04 pm

The more I listen to the talking heads blather about being "clutch" and "coming up big in big spots" the more I'm convinced that virtually every piece of analysis about which guys are clutch and which guys aren't is simply wrong.

dobrojim · Post #474 » by **dobrojim** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:18 pm

kinda like when you read/hear from certain media sectors (cough-fox) that
Obama is a socialist when the rate of increase in fed spending under Obama
has been the lowest of the last 5 presidents.

the mediots have their mime and they are sticking to it.

Severn Hoos · Post #475 » by **Severn Hoos** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:40 pm

Pinocchio says hi!

dobrojim · Post #476 » by **dobrojim** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:30 pm

Kobe is the awesomest clutch shooter ever. All the experts think so.

hands11 · Post #477 » by **hands11** » Wed May 30, 2012 2:34 am

If SA take OKC down again tonight, who thinks this series of over and what will that do to OKCs hopes of every getting past them ?

SA is a machine.

Post #478 » by **Ruzious** » Wed May 30, 2012 2:46 am

hands11 wrote:Of SA take OKC down again tonight, who thinks this series of over and what will that do to OKCs hopes of every getting past them ?

SA is a machine.

All OKC can do is use this as a learning experience. Ya might as well give the NBA Champeenship to SA - nobody can beat them - even Miami with a healthy Bosh couldn't beat them, imo.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #479 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Wed May 30, 2012 2:52 am

That 'thar team in San Antone is awful good.

I went into the series hoping for a Thunder win, but now I'm actually rooting for the Spurs - the last hope against the evil empire.

It will be mighty, mighty sweet to see the Heat beat in four.

hands11 · Post #480 » by **hands11** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:12 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:That 'thar team in San Antone is awful good.

I went into the series hoping for a Thunder win, but now I'm actually rooting for the Spurs - the last hope against the evil empire.

It will be mighty, mighty sweet to see the Heat beat in four.

Nothing would be sweeter.

The Tim Duncan good guys against the evil empire. And I love that Pop goes against the conventional wisdom of shorting the bench. He goes 10 deep.