Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[milellie111]

Injuries my friend. It happens to every team in the NBA. Maynor was not fully recoverd from his ACL injury.

That lie has already been debunked by others. Maynor was fully healthy. He was just bad. And, at the PF position, the signing was necessary because EG was awful at drafting and gave the Wizards useless players like Seraphin and Jan "Everyone who knows basketball knows Jan will soon be producing for the Wizards" Vesely.

And, you mention Temple as if he provides great depth. Nivek has mentioned numerous times, that his production has been very close to the worst in the NBA this season.

We aren't playing Temple because he is not needed. Again, he is 3rd on the bench. Temple is not necessarily a scorer or floor general, but his defense adds something valuable. Everyone has a role. That's why the Miller acquisition was so important because it gives added depth to the pg position and allows Wall to come out without losing leadership on the floor.

[MikeTheKid]

I don't claim anything, it's based on the roster of this team. Ariza/Webster/Porter(still yet to be developed) at the small forward position. Nene/Booker/Gooden at the power forward position. Wall/Miller/Temple at the point guard position. That is very good depth.

If EG had ensured that the Wizards had very good depth, why were the Gooden signing and Miller trade necessary. The fact is EG has failed in numerous attempts to add depth and talent to the team (Maynor, Crawford, Singleton, Vesely, Mack, Seraphin, et al), and he only lucked into Gooden and Miller, which is only keeping the Wizards as a barely above .500 team in a historically bad east.

Injuries my friend. It happens to every team in the NBA. Maynor was not fully recoverd from his ACL injury.

Your so wrong, MAYNOR PLAYED ALL OF LAST SEASON AND WAS TRADED FROM OKC TO POR!!! HE SUCKS

Dont use that BS excuse that he wasn't fully healthy, if he wasn't healthy he wouldn't have played last season

[tontoz]

If Maynor wasn't recovered from knee surgery then why did our genius GM give him a 2 year guaranteed deal?

[MikeTheKid]

This is so far from the truth. Take away Wall and Beal. Gortat, Ariza, Nene, Booker, Webster, Gooden and Miller are all assets on this team and the byproduct of smart GM'ing. Even Seraphin would be a contributor. All of these guys would or could be solid starters and impactful bench players on other teams so let's not act as if the only good moves Grunfeld has made is by "lucking" into Wall and Beal.

Its funny how you say Grunfeld led us out of the dark years not admitting that hes the one that actually led us into the dark years with his terrible culture and locker room management/environment from GunGate to Burger Boy Blatche and the Knucklehead Express to even now where it seems the coach can only yell at Seraphin and Wall and Beal dont get reprimanded when there play is bad.

NOW AM I WRONG Millie aka Mr Monumental???

And as far as your post saying all of our players would be contributors elsewhere why did Gooden rot on a bench the last 2.5 years and why did he only get signed almost a month ago if he would make such an impact in the league? Why was Booker racking DNPs until Nene started getting hurt?

But I understand what your trying to preach here, you want everyone here to say **** the past, were good now so lets celebrate and I understand what your doing but when you've been a 15+ year fan you'd understand why some are sour. And mind you Im happier now, the Wiz will more than likely clinch a PO berth in the next week (and I'll be at the games) and Wittman and Ernie will get resigned for cheap cause they know they wont get jobs anywhere else and Ted loves cheap and I cant do anything about that because he doesnt know basketball. But those who dont know there past are doomed to repeat it and it looks like were going to repeat our past when Ariza and Gortat are resigned just like Jamison and Butler and were capped out and cant do anything and we return to failed mediocrity then Ernie will trade another first rd pick for scrubs (2009 draft) and then back to the suck.

Ok Im done rambling about nothing LETS GO WIZ

So are you really trying to convince everyone that Grunfeld was responsible for the Arenas and Crittenton gun situation? Or that he was solely responsible for Andray getting busted with prostitutes? Really? There is no way to forsee such issues just as other organizations cannot predict when a player will go off the deep end and cause issues. What defines a smart GM is how you deal with such issues when they arise. Do you keep them around and let the problem fester or do you clean house? Did the Lakers know that Shaq and Kobe eventually would not get along or that Kobe and Dwight would not be able to play together? No GM can see into the future, so why are you requiring that of Grunfeld?

I'll give you that but also if you were a hardcore fan you would know that Ernie let Gilbert and Blatche and whoever else produced even Wall and Beal know run a damn muck throughout the locker room. At some point you put your foot down as GM. How about the sense of entitlement issues that Mo Evans addressed about the knuckleheads when he was on the team and Evans to say it as a former VP of the NBAPA is embarrassing. Yes EG isnt a babysitter but do something to change the situation especially when theres rumor after rumor of stupid crap happening in the locker room year after year. TBH if we didn't draft Wall in 2010 I firmly believe Gil would've stayed at least 1 more year.

[ptptpt]

Good to join us again milellie111. You have come a long way from this post last year

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Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

and this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

to this:

'm enjoying this season. I enjoyed last season as well (even some games where Wall was injured). The wonderful thing about the Wizards is that you never know what to expect. Some games these guys will lay an egg against a sub-par opponent, then the next game they will blow the doors off the Miami Heat. The guys can compete, they have the talent and motivation. There are tons of fans just like me who like the direction this team is going. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ted Leonsis giving Ernie Grunfeld a chance to right the ship and not making a quick rash decision and perhaps bringing in some rookie GM who could do much worse. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ernie retaining Randy Whitman, a cheap hard working defensive minded coach who is not a big name. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate the Wizards not jumping in on every big name free agent. If you don't realize, this used to be the reputation of another Washington area team for years and the fans hated it. The Wizards seem to be the opposite and I love it. I understand your need for instant gratification, but in this business it doesn't quite work that way. That model has been tried before and has failed many times.

and this:

The reason why i titled my thread "Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong" is because their were many who felt that this team would still be a lottery team, many gave up on Wall felt that he should be traded, many were too premature with Beal and thought he was the wrong pick and should have been traded, many questioned the Ariza trade and called him a bum etc. Many knee jerk reactions flying around. The thread was not attacking anyone in general on the board, it was just directed to all those who may have felt the same way as the ideas stated above. My opinion may not be popular, but hey i will always put up a good fight in trying to explain it and provide some evidence. The whole shoulda, coulda, woulda drafted Kawi Leonard over Jan Vesely and other guys etc. does nothing for this team now. Who knows if Leonard would have been as good as he is in San Antonio, who knows if he came to the DC area and he turned into an Andray Blatche strip club lap dance king. I don't want to live in the past and be jealous of players we could have had, i want to focus on now, the future and support the guys we have on this roster no matter how bad they may "suck".

That's some very bipolar posting there buddy. Even you yourself gave up on Wall. Would you call yourself a bad fan? I would think not. Maybe calling for Ernie and Wittman's head might be a bit extreme but folks in here have recognized a recurring problem that has not been addressed. It would be nice if Ernie and Wittman addressed a few of those issues.

[TGW]

Good to join us again milellie111. You have come a long way from this post last year

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Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

and this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

to this:

'm enjoying this season. I enjoyed last season as well (even some games where Wall was injured). The wonderful thing about the Wizards is that you never know what to expect. Some games these guys will lay an egg against a sub-par opponent, then the next game they will blow the doors off the Miami Heat. The guys can compete, they have the talent and motivation. There are tons of fans just like me who like the direction this team is going. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ted Leonsis giving Ernie Grunfeld a chance to right the ship and not making a quick rash decision and perhaps bringing in some rookie GM who could do much worse. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ernie retaining Randy Whitman, a cheap hard working defensive minded coach who is not a big name. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate the Wizards not jumping in on every big name free agent. If you don't realize, this used to be the reputation of another Washington area team for years and the fans hated it. The Wizards seem to be the opposite and I love it. I understand your need for instant gratification, but in this business it doesn't quite work that way. That model has been tried before and has failed many times.

and this:

The reason why i titled my thread "Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong" is because their were many who felt that this team would still be a lottery team, many gave up on Wall felt that he should be traded, many were too premature with Beal and thought he was the wrong pick and should have been traded, many questioned the Ariza trade and called him a bum etc. Many knee jerk reactions flying around. The thread was not attacking anyone in general on the board, it was just directed to all those who may have felt the same way as the ideas stated above. My opinion may not be popular, but hey i will always put up a good fight in trying to explain it and provide some evidence. The whole shoulda, coulda, woulda drafted Kawi Leonard over Jan Vesely and other guys etc. does nothing for this team now. Who knows if Leonard would have been as good as he is in San Antonio, who knows if he came to the DC area and he turned into an Andray Blatche strip club lap dance king. I don't want to live in the past and be jealous of players we could have had, i want to focus on now, the future and support the guys we have on this roster no matter how bad they may "suck".

That's some very bipolar posting there buddy. Even you yourself gave up on Wall. Would you call yourself a bad fan? I would think not. Maybe calling for Ernie and Wittman's head might be a bit extreme but folks in here have recognized a recurring problem that has not been addressed. It would be nice if Ernie and Wittman addressed a few of those issues.

You can't even make this stuff up....this kid is a fantastic troll. Maybe he just wants attention...who knows.

[LyricalRico]

Wow, that's funny. LOL

[Dat2U]

Good to join us again milellie111. You have come a long way from this post last year

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1230490&start=80

Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

and this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

to this:

'm enjoying this season. I enjoyed last season as well (even some games where Wall was injured). The wonderful thing about the Wizards is that you never know what to expect. Some games these guys will lay an egg against a sub-par opponent, then the next game they will blow the doors off the Miami Heat. The guys can compete, they have the talent and motivation. There are tons of fans just like me who like the direction this team is going. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ted Leonsis giving Ernie Grunfeld a chance to right the ship and not making a quick rash decision and perhaps bringing in some rookie GM who could do much worse. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ernie retaining Randy Whitman, a cheap hard working defensive minded coach who is not a big name. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate the Wizards not jumping in on every big name free agent. If you don't realize, this used to be the reputation of another Washington area team for years and the fans hated it. The Wizards seem to be the opposite and I love it. I understand your need for instant gratification, but in this business it doesn't quite work that way. That model has been tried before and has failed many times.

and this:

The reason why i titled my thread "Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong" is because their were many who felt that this team would still be a lottery team, many gave up on Wall felt that he should be traded, many were too premature with Beal and thought he was the wrong pick and should have been traded, many questioned the Ariza trade and called him a bum etc. Many knee jerk reactions flying around. The thread was not attacking anyone in general on the board, it was just directed to all those who may have felt the same way as the ideas stated above. My opinion may not be popular, but hey i will always put up a good fight in trying to explain it and provide some evidence. The whole shoulda, coulda, woulda drafted Kawi Leonard over Jan Vesely and other guys etc. does nothing for this team now. Who knows if Leonard would have been as good as he is in San Antonio, who knows if he came to the DC area and he turned into an Andray Blatche strip club lap dance king. I don't want to live in the past and be jealous of players we could have had, i want to focus on now, the future and support the guys we have on this roster no matter how bad they may "suck".

That's some very bipolar posting there buddy. Even you yourself gave up on Wall. Would you call yourself a bad fan? I would think not. Maybe calling for Ernie and Wittman's head might be a bit extreme but folks in here have recognized a recurring problem that has not been addressed. It would be nice if Ernie and Wittman addressed a few of those issues.

You can't even make this stuff up....this kid is a fantastic troll. Maybe he just wants attention...who knows.

/end of thread.

Maybe we can FINALLY stop feeding the troll now.

[TGW]

Dat...he strangely sounds like you before he switched it up to troll mode.

Hmmmmmm....

[tontoz]

Obviously Rico hacked milellie's account.

[Dat2U]

Dat...he strangely sounds like you before he switched it up to troll mode.

Hmmmmmm....

lol, I couldn't sleep with myself lying like that.

[montestewart]

Wow, that's funny. LOL

Well, that makes it a just about unanimous, hands down, HOF thread through and through. Thanks millyilly. Things like this make fandom tolerable. Time to weigh in, maynordry.

[milellie111]

Good to join us again milellie111. You have come a long way from this post last year

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1230490&start=80

Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

and this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

to this:

'm enjoying this season. I enjoyed last season as well (even some games where Wall was injured). The wonderful thing about the Wizards is that you never know what to expect. Some games these guys will lay an egg against a sub-par opponent, then the next game they will blow the doors off the Miami Heat. The guys can compete, they have the talent and motivation. There are tons of fans just like me who like the direction this team is going. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ted Leonsis giving Ernie Grunfeld a chance to right the ship and not making a quick rash decision and perhaps bringing in some rookie GM who could do much worse. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate Ernie retaining Randy Whitman, a cheap hard working defensive minded coach who is not a big name. There are tons of fans like me who appreciate the Wizards not jumping in on every big name free agent. If you don't realize, this used to be the reputation of another Washington area team for years and the fans hated it. The Wizards seem to be the opposite and I love it. I understand your need for instant gratification, but in this business it doesn't quite work that way. That model has been tried before and has failed many times.

and this:

The reason why i titled my thread "Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong" is because their were many who felt that this team would still be a lottery team, many gave up on Wall felt that he should be traded, many were too premature with Beal and thought he was the wrong pick and should have been traded, many questioned the Ariza trade and called him a bum etc. Many knee jerk reactions flying around. The thread was not attacking anyone in general on the board, it was just directed to all those who may have felt the same way as the ideas stated above. My opinion may not be popular, but hey i will always put up a good fight in trying to explain it and provide some evidence. The whole shoulda, coulda, woulda drafted Kawi Leonard over Jan Vesely and other guys etc. does nothing for this team now. Who knows if Leonard would have been as good as he is in San Antonio, who knows if he came to the DC area and he turned into an Andray Blatche strip club lap dance king. I don't want to live in the past and be jealous of players we could have had, i want to focus on now, the future and support the guys we have on this roster no matter how bad they may "suck".

That's some very bipolar posting there buddy. Even you yourself gave up on Wall. Would you call yourself a bad fan? I would think not. Maybe calling for Ernie and Wittman's head might be a bit extreme but folks in here have recognized a recurring problem that has not been addressed. It would be nice if Ernie and Wittman addressed a few of those issues.

It's called venting out of frustration. That was a time when the team looked bad, before any Gortat trade, before Wall was an allstar etc. I never claimed Ted, Wittman or Grunfeld were perfect. Do I still think Ted is cheap? Yes. However, Grunfeld has totally redeemed himself based on the moves he's made to get this team to where it is today. This is a totally different team than last year. The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

[LyricalRico]

The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

That's where I've been all season. Whether we personally agree with how the team got to this point, I think many are under-appreciating this season. And if the team chokes down the stretch, I don't see anybody defending Ted/Witt/EG. But for now, let's enjoy rooting for a team in the playoff hunt and see what kind of run they can get on once they get there (especially with a healthy Nene).

Go Wiz!

[ptptpt]

It's called venting out of frustration. That was a time when the team looked bad, before any Gortat trade, before Wall was an allstar etc. I never claimed Ted, Wittman or Grunfeld were perfect. Do I still think Ted is cheap? Yes. However, Grunfeld has totally redeemed himself based on the moves he's made to get this team to where it is today. This is a totally different team than last year. The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

First question for you. Why do you think Ted is cheap?

[Kanyewest]

It's called venting out of frustration. That was a time when the team looked bad, before any Gortat trade, before Wall was an allstar etc. I never claimed Ted, Wittman or Grunfeld were perfect. Do I still think Ted is cheap? Yes. However, Grunfeld has totally redeemed himself based on the moves he's made to get this team to where it is today. This is a totally different team than last year. The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

First question for you. Why do you think Ted is cheap?

he responded in that thread stating that Ted should spend more on a head coach than Randy Wittman.

[Nivek]

millie is a good example of what a lot of casual Wizards fans are thinking. Hey, the team is back to .500, heading for the playoffs -- Grunfeld must be doing a good job.

I just with I had all you guys giving me performance reviews and deciding on my pay raise at The Job. Grunfeld has accomplished just about the easiest feat there is in the NBA -- he's patched together a roster that can get to .500 and into the playoffs. And he's managed to scale this peak during a year in which 4 of the 15 Eastern Conference teams were blatantly tanking.

All that said, don't be confused. I enjoy watching this team play. Mediocrity is more entertaining than utter suckitude. But, I'm not under any illusion that they've done anything special. They've spent an extraordinary cache of assets (cap space, cap exceptions and draft picks) to get back to average. They did such a poor job of building the roster, they had to spend future assets (a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick) to achieve the modest goal of MAKING the playoffs. Considering what they spent to get to this point, Grunfeld has decidedly not redeemed himself. Not in my eyes, at least.

And, the guys who have brought this "success" are almost certain to stay on the job for the foreseeable future. That doesn't inspire much hope for that future.

[milellie111]

It's called venting out of frustration. That was a time when the team looked bad, before any Gortat trade, before Wall was an allstar etc. I never claimed Ted, Wittman or Grunfeld were perfect. Do I still think Ted is cheap? Yes. However, Grunfeld has totally redeemed himself based on the moves he's made to get this team to where it is today. This is a totally different team than last year. The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

First question for you. Why do you think Ted is cheap?

He is cheap because he didn't splash for a big named coach that many wanted. He is cheap because of not signing high priced free agents. He's not the only owner of a team that is cheap though. In this case it has worked out well for this team. We can say that Ted knew what he was doing all along. Spending much more for a big named coach that may or may not have gotten more production from this team than Wittman would have been foolish now that we look back on it. Tell me how that worked out for the Lakers and Dantoni. As far as high priced free agents goes, I think the production we have gotten from our players on bargain contracts while not bringing in headaches such as Josh Smith, Jr Smith etc. was the right move. Again, many screamed for Ernie to trade for Monroe, go after Smith but I think we are better off.

[milellie111]

The problem I have with a lot of your comments are that you want the GM and Coach fired Now in the middle of a playoff season. None of you want to let the season play out and see where we go from there after the season. If the Wizards fail, then yes, some jobs should be in question however they are not on the course to fail as of now.

That's where I've been all season. Whether we personally agree with how the team got to this point, I think many are under-appreciating this season. And if the team chokes down the stretch, I don't see anybody defending Ted/Witt/EG. But for now, let's enjoy rooting for a team in the playoff hunt and see what kind of run they can get on once they get there (especially with a healthy Nene).

Go Wiz!

I agree

[hands11]

I think millie might be doing a kind of performance art where he's playing the role of an earnest Grunfeld supporter to elicit facts, evidence and arguments showing just how bad Grunfeld has been. Biggest clue so far: he used the word "respected" to describe Mike Wise's opinion.

Nope. Not performance art Nivek.

Why do people try to come up with this kind of take for other posters? I saw someone do it for Lyrical.

How about ... he is just posting as a fan about how he see things and he doesn't agree with the negative spin some here put on almost everything.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Not a troll. Not performance art. Just a fan that isn't as jaded as most of us here.