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2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#481 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:36 pm

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Jay81 wrote:this is sick per M Lee

Grunfeld has drafted one all-star in more than 20 years as an executive in New York, Milwaukee and Washington and Michael Redd, a second-round pick in 2000, hadn’t ascended to all-star status until after Grunfeld had moved on from the Bucks (He selected Devin Harris on behalf of Dallas in 2004).


How many top 5 picks did he have ? That is where most the AS come from.

The draft is just one piece of the puzzle. You get top 5 picks and you likely get all stars. He did bring in CB for Kwame which was a steal. He got Gil on the open market. He was another all star. He got AJ for L8ner. He sent AJ to CLE and got a first round pick and cleared cap. He did magic with cap space turning VV ( I think ) into Kip who got us Crawford and a pick that got combined with another pick and turned in I think Booker or was it Kevin. He got rid of Gils toxic contract and influence and opened the team up to let Wall grow and save cap space. Lewis turned into Oka and Trevor. He got Nene for NY and McGee.

He had the #1 and got Wall. No brainer when you have the first pick unless you do a trade down to 2-5 and more assets. More risky but can work sometimes.

He had the #6 and got Ves. Not enough time to see that produces the results it can. Ves was an upside project. Could have down a trade down but they wanted to tank another year ( strike year ) which is why we have the #3 this year.

They had the #5 and took a swing for the fences. That is the one most are upset about. But MM was/has been/is one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league and they needed that help with that and Randy is the SG on the LAC who are a good team and made a nice playoff run. We didn't like it and it didn't work out but when your owner says win now, you swing for it.

So EG and Ted have made nice moves. EG and Abe made some also but they locked in to early and it blow up.

I like the roster we have now. The cap space is fine and we have the #3 pick. I'm not complaining.


I wonder if the cap space cleared by letting Miller and Foye walk was the main reason we were able to trade VV and cap space for what eventually turned into Booker and Seraphin. So after all the smoke cleared, that's what we got for the #5 pick (and various misc second rounders).

If you look at it that way, that trade is a little less heinous, although it makes the trade for Okafor more of a head scratcher -- finally KS starts to blossom, and you immediately go out and bury him on the depth chart?
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#482 » by ecnirp » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:36 pm

Im telling ya..

You're going to regret not getting MKG or Barnes...

You'll never hear the end of it from Cavs fans about (Barnes or MKG) making life easier for Kyrie Irving..

Im a fan of Beal. Seen him play in the HS circuits. Just dont think he'll be the ideal fit next to Wall...
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#483 » by jivelikenice » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:45 pm

Just saw a tweet where execs expect Barnes to go 7th. Even if Beal is there at 3, if Portlant is willing to offer you 6 & 11 for 3, I'd do it conditioned upon Barnes being there at 6. At 11 you could add another wing in Ross or Lamb. The value is too good there IMO.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#485 » by Nivek » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:49 pm

I keep seeing folks mention Ross, and I'm still wondering why. I don't get the infatuation. Someone tell me what I'm missing.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#486 » by bgroban » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:49 pm

Before the recent trade, I was fairly certain that EG was going to draft Drummond.

Now, I am thinking it is going to be MKG. I realize EG is not creating the Beal to Washington rumors, but I think it is all a smokescreen. Ernie likes upside - within the top 5 or 6 picks, MKG might have the most outside of Davis.

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3. WAS - MKG
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#487 » by Dat2U » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:55 pm

Nivek wrote:I keep seeing folks mention Ross, and I'm still wondering why. I don't get the infatuation. Someone tell me what I'm missing.


But oh boy, he can really shoot the ball well! That stroke looks so pretty!

And we do have a need for shooters.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#488 » by 7-Day Dray » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:01 pm

Drummond or Barnes :pray:
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Post#489 » by tontoz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:09 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:Drummond or Barnes :pray:



I am praying we don't draft either of them.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#490 » by Higga » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:12 pm

I could live with Barnes though he's my clear #3 behind MKG and Beal(4th actually with Robinson but we won't take him due to already being loaded with bigs).

No way do I want Drummond, kid's got Thabeet/Kwame/Blatche written all over him.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#491 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:13 pm

tontoz wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:Drummond or Barnes :pray:



I am praying we don't draft either of them.

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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#492 » by HeyIt'sMe » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:13 pm

Not sure what the infatuation with Barnes all a sudden is.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#493 » by TGW » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:14 pm

tontoz wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:Drummond or Barnes :pray:


I am praying we don't draft either of them.


Amen to that. I'd truly be done with this team if either of those guys were drafted...especially Drummond aka Olowakandi 2.0...
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#494 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:15 pm

HeyIt'sMe wrote:Not sure what the infatuation with Barnes all a sudden is.


Everyone is coming to the realization we'll get Barnes so they're trying to look at the brightside..

THERE IS NO BRIGHTSIDE. The kid WILL be a bust.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#495 » by Dat2U » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:22 pm

Higga wrote:I could live with Barnes though he's my clear #3 behind MKG and Beal(4th actually with Robinson but we won't take him due to already being loaded with bigs).

No way do I want Drummond, kid's got Thabeet/Kwame/Blatche written all over him.


Actually the kid that reminds me of Thabeet is Fab Melo. Processes the game a bit slowly. Doesn't seem to have a natural feel for it. Maybe Melo will work harder than Thabeet though to improve.

Drummond seems instinctively quicker on the court than Thabeet or Melo.

Drummond's problems are related to confidence and immaturity.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#496 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:23 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:At this point I really want Beal and I think we are going to regret not getting him if we miss out on him. If we do miss out on him I'm off the thinking at this point that we should just stand pat and take MKG. Yeah, I'm just as weary as the next guy about his shooting ability, but I can live with the idea of us rolling the dice considering we are missing out on who we really wanted and MKG is no chump either.

I'm not really up for all the mind games some of you suggest that if Charlotte screws us over we should screw them right back. When doing business it’s stupid to be reactionary and spiteful because you'll probably end up trying to get to cute and screwing yourself over in the process.
I’m hoping the #4 and #24 for #2 and whatever doesn’t materialize. If it does, ok it’ll sting a little -and we probably don’t get Beal – but life goes on and we’ll going to get a good player anyways.


On another note, am I the only one the feels something completely unexpected is going to happen when it comes to the top of this draft. Whether it’s someone out of nowhere jumping into the top 5 or it’s someone taking someone completely unexpected I get this odd feeling something is brewing and it may turn out in our favor.


Something happening in the Wizards' favor on draft day should be unexpected. Historically, it is not completely unprecedented that a good thing can happen on draft night. It is just the exception and not the rule. Draft night under EG is generally a night of hopes deferred, frustration, contempt, and outright wrath for Wizard fans.

The thought I have going into this draft is "How bad will the Blatche trade be?"
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#497 » by cwb3 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:30 pm

I think the Wizards should grab Beal if he remains available at #3. Seems to have the best pure shot of the top tier prospects. Would prefer to keep Crawford as a bench option as opposed to a starter.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#498 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:34 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:At this point I really want Beal and I think we are going to regret not getting him if we miss out on him. If we do miss out on him I'm off the thinking at this point that we should just stand pat and take MKG. Yeah, I'm just as weary as the next guy about his shooting ability, but I can live with the idea of us rolling the dice considering we are missing out on who we really wanted and MKG is no chump either.

I'm not really up for all the mind games some of you suggest that if Charlotte screws us over we should screw them right back. When doing business it’s stupid to be reactionary and spiteful because you'll probably end up trying to get to cute and screwing yourself over in the process.
I’m hoping the #4 and #24 for #2 and whatever doesn’t materialize. If it does, ok it’ll sting a little -and we probably don’t get Beal – but life goes on and we’ll going to get a good player anyways.


On another note, am I the only one the feels something completely unexpected is going to happen when it comes to the top of this draft. Whether it’s someone out of nowhere jumping into the top 5 or it’s someone taking someone completely unexpected I get this odd feeling something is brewing and it may turn out in our favor.


Something happening in the Wizards' favor on draft day should be unexpected. Historically, it is not completely unprecedented that a good thing can happen on draft night. It is just the exception and not the rule. Draft night is a night under EG is generally a night of hopes deferred, frustration, contempt, and outright wrath for Wizard fans.

The thought I have going into this draft is "How bad will the Blatche trade be?"


+1 The Wiz would rather spin a bad Blatche trade then pay for the Amnesty.
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#499 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:35 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:At this point I really want Beal and I think we are going to regret not getting him if we miss out on him. If we do miss out on him I'm off the thinking at this point that we should just stand pat and take MKG. Yeah, I'm just as weary as the next guy about his shooting ability, but I can live with the idea of us rolling the dice considering we are missing out on who we really wanted and MKG is no chump either.

I'm not really up for all the mind games some of you suggest that if Charlotte screws us over we should screw them right back. When doing business it’s stupid to be reactionary and spiteful because you'll probably end up trying to get to cute and screwing yourself over in the process.
I’m hoping the #4 and #24 for #2 and whatever doesn’t materialize. If it does, ok it’ll sting a little -and we probably don’t get Beal – but life goes on and we’ll going to get a good player anyways.


On another note, am I the only one the feels something completely unexpected is going to happen when it comes to the top of this draft. Whether it’s someone out of nowhere jumping into the top 5 or it’s someone taking someone completely unexpected I get this odd feeling something is brewing and it may turn out in our favor.


Something happening in the Wizards' favor on draft day should be unexpected. Historically, it is not completely unprecedented that a good thing can happen on draft night. It is just the exception and not the rule. Draft night is a night under EG is generally a night of hopes deferred, frustration, contempt, and outright wrath for Wizard fans.

The thought I have going into this draft is "How bad will the Blatche trade be?"

I know exactly what you mean. When Ted bragged in his blog about how "clever" it was to trade a sunk cost in Lewis and get something back in return, I lost faith in his thought processes.

Trading Blatche (rather than amnestying him) is most likely going to cause another poor use of resources.

Edit - Closg beat me to it. Great minds...
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Re: 2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!) 

Post#500 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:39 pm

players from each team telling who'd they pick if they were GM. Chris Singleton is out of his damn mind.

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3. Harrison Barnes, F, UNC
Selected by: Chris Singleton

"We feel like he can play the 2 or the 3, and that's what we need help with," says Singleton. "We know he can shoot, and with the Wizards being more of an open offense, people can't focus on him; he'll fit right in with us." (Barnes scored 17.1 ppg and shot 36 percent of 3-pointers.)
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