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Political Roundtable Part XXII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#481 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:08 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:Trump is a game changer. Politicians will be held to a higher standard...of making the economy work for everyone and many other great things trump has done regardless of however unpolished he comes off.

Most people's 401K are up 40-80% since trump was elected
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Again...the economy isn't working for everyone.


Eric Trump says 401(k)s are doing great, but half of American families don’t have one

Eric Trump pointed to the stellar performance of 401(k) retirement accounts as evidence that his father's economic policies were helping average Americans.

In 2016, according to the federal Survey of Consumer Finances, just more than half of Americans had some sort of retirement account -- a 401(k), IRA, etc. That means nearly half of American households have no dedicated retirement savings.

For the past 15 years, the share with retirement accounts has hovered between 49 and 53 percent.

Like so much else in today's economy, that shift has primarily benefited the wealthy. Richer households can contribute more to their retirement plans, and they can afford to hire accountants, tax professionals and money managers to maximize the returns on their investments. The result is apparent in the chart below, which traces the median value of retirement accounts by net worth percentiles.

The big story here is how the retirement assets of the top 10 percent of households, and to a lesser extent the top 25 percent, are peeling away from everyone else.

The richest households are leaving everyone else in the dust. American capitalism is a well-oiled machine for creating winners and losers, and the winners are taking it all.

Going back to Eric Trump's point, a roaring year for the stock market is indeed good news for those families who are significantly invested in it. But about half of American households have no retirement savings, and many more are unable to save as much as experts say they'll need.
Washington Post -- January 2018


economies dont work for people who dont work and dont invest. You gotta work. and you gotta invest in our markets. Housing or stock.

And dont give me the "i dont have enough money to "invest." Wrong! its cheaper to buy a house than rent in almost every single market in america and FHA loans allow people to put down as little as 2%. If you join the military you can earn 45K in your first year and buy a house with 0% down. and even get a housing alotment (aka additional money to pay your mortgage).

And if you cant afford a SFH, you can buy a multi unit...the income from the other units goes to get you financially approved for the purchase.

If your one job doesn't pay you enough??? get another job!! drive for uber!! i take about 10 ubers per week. 70% of my drivers in chicago have another full time job!!!

In short, jobs and options are there for everyone that is WILLING TO DO THE WORK!!


now doing the work is only half of the equations...once you do the work? dont be an idiot!! Dont buy the expensive car, clothes, rims, or take the vacations, you cant yet afford. Instead be smart with your money and begin to buy both income rental property and invest in our stock markets. <<--it's literally that effin simple!!

I personally began working as a bus boy when i was 14. i earned about $30-40 per 6 hour shift. I saved at least 70% of it. At 17 i joined the US Navy. and saved nearly 80% of my pay. At 21 i bought my first condo. for $16,000.00. cash. It was worth more. I fixed it up and cleaned it up. staged it. and sold it for a 45,000 profit 6 months later. I was only 21. And now had over $140K saved up since i was 14. I was still in college. I got a job at the Hilton downtown as a bellman. I earned about $60K per year. I could have just did that and nothing else. Instead i stayed in college, continued to buy more rental income property and even went to dental school. over the next 4 years before i started dental school I acquired 3 more large income buildings and flipped another property.

^^^in between all of that i was in 3 sports every single year in HS. and played 2 sports in undergrad. I got straight A's in college. and worked about 100 hours per week between my "w2 jobs" and investing in my own real estate.

I did the effing work!!! Thats why i have multi-millions today in real estate. i did the work and invested in our markets. I'm not lucky. in fact i'm quite unlucky. I have made many foolish decisions and investments. But i made up for them with "the work."

I was determined to put in the hours and learn the construction process and stand in line for permits. etc etc. It was hard effin work!!

i have no sympathy for some laziarse 22 year old that wants to sit around for opportunities to . present themselves. I refuse to pay higher taxes for those same 20 year olds can get free college and free medical. Do the gotdamn work, you lazy phucks is all i got for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you do the work, and save your money, and invest in our market, you too will end up with millions<--its impossible to not end up rich if you WANT to be rich. But it takes decades. Not months. Not even years. Not even 1 decade. But over decades you will end up a millionaire many times over if you sacrifice now to have something later.

If someone is too stupid to stay the course and see the path or just too lazy and/or impatient then i got nothing for you!! And i will never vote for any legislation to help you if you are not willing to do the work and wait your turn. After all the work i did...it took 15 years ( i was 35 years old) before i was worth my first million...at 37 half of my wealth was wiped out when the economy tanked! I didn't get discouraged!!! I invested even harder into our markets. I curtailed my own personal spending on bull crap even more. I became even more frugal...and I have millions in the bank...i wear $15-25 dollar shoes strictly on sale. And i buy suits on sale for $100.00. I still buy used cars. And negotiate for almost everything i buy. its fun, actually, and an ongoing joke how frugal i am.

and anyone can do it....just stop wasting so much money trying so hard to look cool and getting laid!! and invest instead. To thos ethat instead wasted their money out clubbing? Or on drugs? Or on vacations? and now want me to pay higher taxes so you can get free stuff??? eff you@!!!!!! 2 fingers up buddy!!!!
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#482 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:10 pm

:o


What the h3ll is he talking about?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#483 » by queridiculo » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:11 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting POV - I hadn't considered that... so, if another brand is smart, they start pushing the anti-Nike brand? And you divide up retail based upon politics?


I think it's a mistake to assume that the Kaepernick outrage is 100% partisan.

Outside of the Trump fringe I'm sure there are enough conservatives that can reconcile that NFL protests and anti-Americanism aren't the same thing.

Look at what happened to Under Armour after its CEO aligned himself too closely with the current president.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/investing/under-armour-kevin-plank-stephen-curry-charlottesville-trump/index.html

Who knows if Under Armour will ever recover from that ding they took after Charlottesville, their disappointing growth and the pressure they're facing in the retail market don't paint a rosy picture.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#484 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:17 pm

queridiculo wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Interesting POV - I hadn't considered that... so, if another brand is smart, they start pushing the anti-Nike brand? And you divide up retail based upon politics?


I think it's a mistake to assume that the Kaepernick outrage is 100% partisan.

Outside of the Trump fringe I'm sure there are enough conservatives that can reconcile that NFL protests and anti-Americanism aren't the same thing.


Look at what happened to Under Armour after its CEO aligned himself too closely with the current president.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/investing/under-armour-kevin-plank-stephen-curry-charlottesville-trump/index.html

Who knows if Under Armour will ever recover from that ding they took after Charlottesville, their disappointing growth and the pressure they're facing in the retail market don't paint a rosy picture.

And as they literally say in shoe business... Ond size doesn't fit all.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#485 » by dckingsfan » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:18 pm

queridiculo wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Interesting POV - I hadn't considered that... so, if another brand is smart, they start pushing the anti-Nike brand? And you divide up retail based upon politics?


I think it's a mistake to assume that the Kaepernick outrage is 100% partisan.

Outside of the Trump fringe I'm sure there are enough conservatives that can reconcile that NFL protests and anti-Americanism aren't the same thing.

Look at what happened to Under Armour after its CEO aligned himself too closely with the current president.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/investing/under-armour-kevin-plank-stephen-curry-charlottesville-trump/index.html

Who knows if Under Armour will ever recover from that ding they took after Charlottesville, their disappointing growth and the pressure they're facing in the retail market don't paint a rosy picture.

I think we are in alignment here... I think was a mistake Under Armour to align with Trump. Same with Nike aligning with Kaepernick. There are other ways of aligning with that group of buyers without splitting them - IMO. I think both examples are bad business marketing.

https://brandongaille.com/18-incredible-nike-demographic-segmentation/
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Post#486 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:20 pm

i'm a former nike loyalist. I even think that Nike's shoes are the best by a wide margin for basketball. I will never buy another Nike product again.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#487 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:33 pm

this POS is using heroin while his 2 sons died from drowning!!! Secure the borders! stop the illegal inflow of drugs!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#488 » by queridiculo » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:39 pm

dckingsfan wrote:I think we are in alignment here... I think was a mistake Under Armour to align with Trump. Same with Nike aligning with Kaepernick. There are other ways of aligning with that group of buyers without splitting them - IMO. I think both examples are bad business marketing.


Seems like a false equivalence, standing with a fight for social justice and aligning yourself with a bigot aren't exactly the same thing.

You can argue that without Jordan, and without athletes that are predominantly black Nike wouldn't be where they are today.

Nike's early success was closely tied to the running boom of the 70s and when that momentum seized in the early to mid 80s their business struggled.

This is a pretty good read on where Nike was and how they got to where they are today.

https://www.pdxmonthly.com/articles/2016/6/13/meet-the-man-who-reinvented-nike-seduced-adidas-and-helped-make-portland-the-sports-gear-capital-of-the-world

Strasser and Moore didn’t know much about Jordan. But Strasser, perhaps more than anyone, believed in star power. In a 1983 memo, he wrote: “Individual athletes, even more than teams, will be the heroes; symbols more and more of what real people can’t do anymore—risk and win.” At that moment, Nike itself desperately needed a win. After the company went public in 1980, its stock languished. In 1984 the company posted its first losing quarter ever. As layoff notices landed in a monthlong wave that some within Nike called the “St. Valentine’s Day massacre,” America fawned over newcomer Reebok, which had snuck up on Nike to capture the era’s aerobics boom.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#489 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:47 pm

Gotta laugh that it's a country music group that's among the first to rip Nike and cheer a competitor. https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/big-and-rich-singer-urges-nike-boycott-over-colin-kaepernick-ad-reebok-here-we-come/ar-BBMRgsg?li=BBnb7Kz

But how many country music yokels buy Nikes anyway - with their 15 inch vertical leaps? They're wearing boots - probably sold by a company that they'll never realize is owned by Nike. :)
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#490 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:52 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:this POS is using heroin while his 2 sons died from drowning!!! Secure the borders! stop the illegal inflow of drugs!!
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Ladies and gentlemen, if you agree with that line of thinking, you just might be... a racist.
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Post#491 » by closg00 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 7:04 pm

According to an excerpt from the book published in the Washington Post on Tuesday, administration staffers often have to engage in stealthy behavior to prevent Trump from being impulsive and to minimize disasters that could hurt the president and the country. In some cases, senior aides would reportedly pluck official papers from Trump’s desk before he could sign them.

White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly frequently lost his temper, telling colleagues he thought the president was “unhinged,” according to Woodward.

In one meeting, Kelly reportedly said Trump was “an idiot,” and it was “pointless to try to convince him of anything.”

“He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had,” Kelly said, according to the book

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bob-woodward-fear_us_5b8ea3fae4b0511db3dc8956
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#492 » by dckingsfan » Tue Sep 4, 2018 7:30 pm

queridiculo wrote:Seems like a false equivalence, standing with a fight for social justice and aligning yourself with a bigot aren't exactly the same thing.

Wait, what? Again, two groups got their undies tied in knots. The New Yorker just wanted to INTERVIEW Bannon. The other just wants Kaepernick in their "just do it" AD CAMPAIGN.

Both are very reasonable... and both groups can't even begin to comprehend this.

Let's not twist business practices with this (although we are probably in disagreement on that). And Kevin Plank praising Trump's business platform isn't the same as Kevin Plank praising trumps social platform.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#493 » by dckingsfan » Tue Sep 4, 2018 7:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:But how many country music yokels buy Nikes anyway - with their 15 inch vertical leaps? They're wearing boots - probably sold by a company that they'll never realize is owned by Nike. :)

:nonono: - I guess we never want Texas to turn purple with all the Hispanics wearing their cowboy boots down here - sigh.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#494 » by verbal8 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 7:33 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Why? I am not agreeing with Bannon. I was pointing out that both sides are melting down about very little.

Really, Colin can't take a knee?

Really, a magazine can't interview Bannon?


It wasn't an interview - it was Bannon headlining an event that they were hosting. While that isn't 100% an endorsement, it is at the very least a normalization of the viewpoint being presented.

George Will would have many policy disagreements with the New Yorker staff, however he would represent a view that is a mainstream conservative view.

In the past being elected or serving a significant position in an administration generally indicated some level of mainstream views. The challenge is the right wing is so intertwined with the racist/fascist element that there are significant power brokers who really shouldn't be normalized. Bannon is a huge part of that wing of the Republican party. Steve King is another one that comes to mind.

There are people in Congress I think are terrible people like Cruz or criminals like Nunes - either one of them would be a vast improvement over Bannon as the representative of the conservative view point.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#495 » by JWizmentality » Tue Sep 4, 2018 7:57 pm

Lol...Nike will be fine. My god you deplorables are stupid. You can't even protest right. :noway:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#496 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 4, 2018 7:59 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote:But how many country music yokels buy Nikes anyway - with their 15 inch vertical leaps? They're wearing boots - probably sold by a company that they'll never realize is owned by Nike. :)

:nonono: - I guess we never want Texas to turn purple with all the Hispanics wearing their cowboy boots down here - sigh.

Meh, they can't jump either. Who needs em. :wink: Seriously, I think maybe Nike has a clue about what they're doing by going with Kaep. What did I so insightfully say before? One size does not fit all. I have more cliches that work in this case - if you'd prefer.
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Post#497 » by gtn130 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 9:46 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#499 » by dckingsfan » Wed Sep 5, 2018 12:12 am

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dckingsfan wrote:Why? I am not agreeing with Bannon. I was pointing out that both sides are melting down about very little.

Really, Colin can't take a knee?

Really, a magazine can't interview Bannon?

It wasn't an interview - it was Bannon headlining an event that they were hosting. While that isn't 100% an endorsement, it is at the very least a normalization of the viewpoint being presented.

George Will would have many policy disagreements with the New Yorker staff, however he would represent a view that is a mainstream conservative view.

In the past being elected or serving a significant position in an administration generally indicated some level of mainstream views. The challenge is the right wing is so intertwined with the racist/fascist element that there are significant power brokers who really shouldn't be normalized. Bannon is a huge part of that wing of the Republican party. Steve King is another one that comes to mind.

There are people in Congress I think are terrible people like Cruz or criminals like Nunes - either one of them would be a vast improvement over Bannon as the representative of the conservative view point.

Well, it actually was supposed to be an interview. And no, Cruz wouldn't be an improvement over Bannon - unless someone interviews and gets Bannon's POVs out in the open - he is covered - and that is a bad thing. It also doesn't helps prop up the argument that the press isn't independent and can't be trusted.

New Yorker editor David Remnick said that "to interview Bannon is not to endorse him."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#500 » by dckingsfan » Wed Sep 5, 2018 12:14 am

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dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote:But how many country music yokels buy Nikes anyway - with their 15 inch vertical leaps? They're wearing boots - probably sold by a company that they'll never realize is owned by Nike. :)

:nonono: - I guess we never want Texas to turn purple with all the Hispanics wearing their cowboy boots down here - sigh.

Meh, they can't jump either. Who needs em. :wink: Seriously, I think maybe Nike has a clue about what they're doing by going with Kaep. What did I so insightfully say before? One size does not fit all. I have more cliches that work in this case - if you'd prefer.

I think I am supposed to be calling you a deplorable racist :wink:

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