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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#481 » by gambitx777 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:55 am

I've seen some that have us taking oturu at 8-9 .if we stay top ten I think we might consider trading Bryant to Boston for one of those later picks we might be able to make oturu and Tillie happen at the very least Tillie is mid second round right now. Pick up a guard with the late first from Boston.
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gambitx777 wrote:That's incredibly optimistic that oturu will last till pick 17. He's the clear second best center in the draft and I can't see him making it out of the loto. Now this is a wing and guard heavy draft with a few really nice PF. But idk if he makes it past 15 that's risky
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I think my dream scenario would be to figure out a way to come out of this draft with Green, Oturu, and Tillie.

Could it be done with a swap with Boston 9 & 38 for 17, 27 & 29 ??

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I know it's wishful thinking... Not very realistic. I suspect Oturu and Green will both be gone by 17.


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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#482 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:35 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Just to chime in...

I’m listening to a podcast called The Lottery, pretty enjoyable listen if you’re driving around, done by guy from Bleacher Report. Last mock is about a month old but he goes through and breaks down most of the prospects. I do player.fm but I assume it’s in all the major formats...



There’s a brand new episode of The Lottery up...

It’s a good listen, hosted by Jon Wasserman from Bleacher Report and has guest Spencer Perlman from the Stepien, they basically go through the prospects for the lottery.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#483 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:07 pm

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Hey Ruz no Wizards tonight but good one on ESPN2 9:00 USC vs Washington can see Okwongu go up against Isaiah Stewart !

Cool. Hopefully Okongwu's back - he's been in concussion protocol.



Sucks Okwongu is out... Strangely 2 local guys are calling the game too, Adrian Branch and Dave Feldman.

Colorado vs Oregon on ESPN is pretty good... also Caps playing Colorado, Ovechkin going for 700!

I was a student at Maryland for 3 of Branch's seasons there, so I was glad to see him there - was actually hoping he'd go for the Wiz broadcast job. He looks great.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#484 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:37 am

This morning on 980 Kevin Sheehan had on Tom Izzo , a really good interview, and there was a part where he started talking about Xavier Tillman, and he could not have talked more highly of him. He talked about his work ethic and really went on about him being a great person, and brought up that he's actually married and just had a baby.

If you want someone who's gonna come in and get to work, and continue pushing this team culture in the right direction, he seems like a good choice!

Get to see him and Stix go at it tomorrow night ESPN 6pm !
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Post#485 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:17 am

I guess it's his 2nd kid...

Talk about a man amongst boys :lift:


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Post#486 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:46 am

Sports Illustrated put out their updated mock....

Okoro up to 3, Avdija at 4...

Okongwu to Wizards at 9.

Oturu and Reed not in 1st round.


https://www.si.com/nba/2020/02/12/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-isaac-okoro
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Post#487 » by gambitx777 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:41 am

That's **** insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!? Most my cka have Oturu in the loto. SI is a **** joke! Ok I'ma calm down now.
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Sports Illustrated put out their updated mock....

Okoro up to 3, Avdija at 4...

Okongwu to Wizards at 9.

Oturu and Reed not in 1st round.


https://www.si.com/nba/2020/02/12/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-isaac-okoro


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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#488 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:32 am

gambitx777 wrote:That's **** insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!? Most my cka have Oturu in the loto. SI is a **** joke! Ok I'ma calm down now.
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Sports Illustrated put out their updated mock....

Okoro up to 3, Avdija at 4...

Okongwu to Wizards at 9.

Oturu and Reed not in 1st round.


https://www.si.com/nba/2020/02/12/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-isaac-okoro


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Sporting News also no Oturu .... :crazy:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/nba-mock-draft-2020-post-trade-deadline-edition-warriors-take-lamelo-ball-knicks-pick-point-guard-of-future/ar-BBZLBNW
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Post#489 » by gambitx777 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:54 am

Hey they wanna not put him in the first round fine I'll take him in the second !
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gambitx777 wrote:That's **** insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!? Most my cka have Oturu in the loto. SI is a **** joke! Ok I'ma calm down now.
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Sports Illustrated put out their updated mock....

Okoro up to 3, Avdija at 4...

Okongwu to Wizards at 9.

Oturu and Reed not in 1st round.


https://www.si.com/nba/2020/02/12/nba-mock-draft-anthony-edwards-lamelo-ball-isaac-okoro


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Sporting News also no Oturu .... :crazy:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/nba-mock-draft-2020-post-trade-deadline-edition-warriors-take-lamelo-ball-knicks-pick-point-guard-of-future/ar-BBZLBNW


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Post#490 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:58 am

The players I'm focusing on for the Wizards picks, taking into account likely draft position and players projected to be available....

1st Round
1. Daniel Oturu 2. Onyeka Okongwu 3. Vernon Carey Jr. 4. Isaac Okoro 5. Josh Green 6. Aaron Nesmith

2nd Round
1. Paul Reed 2. Killian Tillie 3. Xavier Tillman 4. Mamadi Diakite 5. Isaiah Joe 6. Austin Wiley



My general thinking, our top priority is improving team defense, and looking at the Wizards roster next year... We'll (most likely) be losing Mahinmi, and I like Bryant, but I'm not sold on him as a starter, especially on the defensive end. I think we would be best served if we can find a defense oriented starting Center with our top pick, and let Bryant and Wagner battle it out for top backup.

To that end, as I've documented Oturu is my favorite player in this draft. I think he's flying under the radar right now and he's going to be a star in this league.

Ruz has convinced me on Okongwu, and he has moved up to my 2nd choice. Carey is someone I haven't really paid attention to until now and looks to me to have starter potential at center, strong on the boards, and has moved up for me. Okoro was my top choice previously, and I love his game. I love his defensive intensity and intangibles and would be thrilled with him as our choice regardless of positional need. Green is another guy who addresses our need for defense. Nesmith is such a good shooter with versatility, coached by Stackhouse, is another I'd be very happy with as our pick.

If we are able to address center with our top pick, in the 2nd round I would be looking PF. I see Bertans with a new contract taking a bigger role next season as the starter at PF, or certainly " the finisher" there. Essentially pushing Hachimura to SF for the majority of his PT. Chain reaction down the roster pushing Bonga to Hachimuras backup, TBJ to Guard. So with this shuffling PF opens up for someone to come in to provide depth.

If Reed slips (most mocks show him late 1st round), or if we can move up, with his defense and rim protection he'd be IDEAL. If you can pair Oturu or Okongwu with Bertans, and then Bryant with Reed off the bench...

Tillie is high on my list as well, super skilled and physical, could come in for Bertans and provide a similar game. Tillman would be a solid choice here also if they are gone, as would Diakite. Joe, a SG, is another crazy good shooter that is hard to pass up especially in the 2nd round. Wiley is basically a guy I'd look at if we don't go Center in the 1st as a possible answer there.

So with that, looking at these potential picks, how they would fit and a sense of the overall roster...

C - Oturu (Okongwu), Bryant, Wagner
PF- Bertans, Reed (Tillie/Tillman)
SF- Hachimura, Bonga, Schofield
SG- Beal, TBJ, Mathews/Robinson
PG- Wall, Smith, Napier

Starting 5 - Oturu/Okongwu, Bertans, Hachimura, Beal, Wall
2nd unit - Bryant, Reed/Tillie/Tillman, Bonga, TBJ, Ish
3rd string - Mo, Admiral, Mathews, Robinson, Shabazz
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#491 » by payitforward » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:23 am

You're spending a lot of good time looking at all these guys, which is great. So far, this has been the best annual draft thread ever -- mostly due to you, Ruz, & a few others (don't mean to leave anyone out).

That said, our "top priority" is to get the maximum player value out of this draft. Definitely not to get a guy at any particular position nor to improve any particular part of our game (they all need improvement!).

It's way too early to know where guys will go, but for sure e.g. Oturu, Reed & Tillman looks like an amazing haul. But... we only have 2 picks! & the idea of trading Bryant to get another R1 is a really, really bad idea.

Fortunately for our fantasy life, however, NBAdraftroom's current mock draft makes it look like we might be able to get those 3 by trading down. In fact, maybe we could do even better.... If we have the #9 pick, the Pelton chart says we can trade it to Boston for the #s 17 & 27 -- & maybe even for those two plus Boston's #46 (there might have to be a little more to the trade however...).

If things go ala nbadraftroom, we would be able to pick Oturu & Reed in R1 & Tillman w/ the #46 pick -- while using the #38 pick we'd have from Chicago to pick someone else. 4 guys! But, wait...

Perhaps at 17, we'd pick Aaron Nesmith or Josh Green. Then take either Oturo or Reed @ 27, along with Tillman & Tillie in R2.

Now that looks like quite a haul! Plus, there has to be a possible additional move to land us Tres Tinkle; Ruz & I want him on the team. &... after the draft, we sign my guy Neemias Queta.

Now... you may claim that as my post has gone along, it's gotten less & less realistic. &, if you did make that claim, why... you'd be right! Yet, if you think about it, we do have room for 5 rookies if not 6 -- 3 on the 15-man roster, & 2 as 2-way guys.
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Post#492 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:34 am

payitforward wrote:You're spending a lot of good time looking at all these guys, which is great. So far, this has been the best annual draft thread ever -- mostly due to you, Ruz, & a few others (don't mean to leave anyone out).

That said, our "top priority" is to get the maximum player value out of this draft. Definitely not to get a guy at any particular position nor to improve any particular part of our game (they all need improvement!).

It's way too early to know where guys will go, but for sure e.g. Oturu, Reed & Tillman looks like an amazing haul. But... we only have 2 picks! & the idea of trading Bryant to get another R1 is a really, really bad idea.

Fortunately for our fantasy life, however, NBAdraftroom's current mock draft makes it look like we might be able to get those 3 by trading down. In fact, maybe we could do even better.... If we have the #9 pick, the Pelton chart says we can trade it to Boston for the #s 17 & 27 -- & maybe even for those two plus Boston's #46 (there might have to be a little more to the trade however...).

If things go ala nbadraftroom, we would be able to pick Oturu & Reed in R1 & Tillman w/ the #46 pick -- while using the #38 pick we'd have from Chicago to pick someone else. 4 guys! But, wait...

Perhaps at 17, we'd pick Aaron Nesmith or Josh Green. Then take either Oturo or Reed @ 27, along with Tillman & Tillie in R2.

Now that looks like quite a haul! Plus, there has to be a possible additional move to land us Tres Tinkle; Ruz & I want him on the team. &... after the draft, we sign my guy Neemias Queta.

Now... you may claim that as my post has gone along, it's gotten less & less realistic. &, if you did make that claim, why... you'd be right! Yet, if you think about it, we do have room for 5 rookies if not 6 -- 3 on the 15-man roster, & 2 as 2-way guys.



Yes! I concur, you have my full support ! It's unanimous!

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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#493 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:03 pm

Looking at Centers another guy catching my attention in Vernon Carey Jr. I watched the Duke ND game yesterday, and he was impressive. Built like a Mack Truck and surprisingly nimble and quick, profiles more wide body rebounder than high flying shot blocker but can get up there when he needs to. For a freshman the guy is an absolute force physically, smooth lefty shot, has nice stroke from deep, nice passing skills.

STATS
2019-20
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
25 24.7 59.1 42.9 64.3 8.7 1.2 1.5 0.8 2.6 2.1 17.6




Most mocks seem to have him listed in the 20s. NBADRAFT.NET updated 2/3/20 has him going #10.

Vernon Carey was named to the 12-player watch list for the Oscar Robertson Player of the Year Award. He's the only freshman to make the cut and joins Louisville's Nwora as the only players from the ACC.
https://www.si.com/college/duke/basketball/tre-jones-vernon-carey-watch-lists-for-naismith-robertson


https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-dukes-vernon-carey-still-not-getting-enough-credit-story-behind-byu-mascots-epic-flying-dunk/
But if you've watched most of Duke's games, this rings true: Carey has been Duke's best player. He's also the best freshman in college basketball. Yet Carey is receiving less hullabaloo than any standout Blue Devils freshman I can recall. Has there ever been a Duke player so good statistically yet less heralded? Brandon Ingram is the closest, but even he was a universally projected top-five draft pick by this point in his 2015-16 freshman season and was taken No. 2 that year.

Carey conversely is not considered lottery pick-worthy.

"I don't know why," Duke assistant coach Nate James told CBS Sports. "Maybe it's his personality, maybe because he's a big and he's a quiet kid and he's not beating his chest every two seconds, saying look at me. He's not the charismatic showman, like Zion and those guys were last year for us. A totally different personality. The times have changed, because big guys aren't in the running a lot of time (for national player of the year), even though they could be or should it be. It's guard-dominated, 3-point-shooting, flash, look-at-me type of game now and he gets hurt by that."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/freshman-rankings-dukes-vernon-carey-jr-is-freshman-of-the-week-and-frontrunner-for-freshman-of-the-year/
VERNON CAREY JR., DUKE: The clear-cut best freshman in college basketball has taken his second Freshman of the Week honor this season. Duke (18-3, 8-2) is riding a three-game winning streak after beating Pittsburgh by 12 and Syracuse, on the road, by nine last week. The Blue Devils got gargantuan play out of Carey, who averaged 26.0 points, 15.0 rebounds, 2.5 assists and was 20-of-31 shooting in those victories.

If you watched the games, you watched Duke again deploy one of the best centers in college hoops. Carey is cruising along to an All-American season, provided he can keep up his impressive numbers. On the season, the 18-year-old is averaging 17.8 points and 8.9 rebounds.

Carey's 17-rebound showing in the win at SU was a personal best. According to the ACC, Carey's 17 carom captures tied the record for more rebounds by an opposing player in Syracuse history, matching former Colgate Raider Adonal Foyle and former Georgetown Hoya Patrick Ewing.

The two men combined to play for 30 season in the NBA. Not bad, Mr. Carey. Duke's now had Carey go for at least 20 points and 10 rebounds eight times. And, per the ACC: "Carey leads the ACC in field goal percentage and is the league's only player ranked in the top five in scoring (third, 17.8), rebounding (fourth, 8.9) and field goal percentage (first, .597)."
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Post#494 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:19 pm

Good one to watch!

1:00 Minnesota vs Iowa on FS1

Daniel Oturu vs Luka Garza

https://www.twincities.com/2020/02/14/marquee-matchup-of-gophers-hawkeyes-big-men-comes-sunday/OR
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Post#495 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:18 pm

Ugh ... Oturo did not have a good game.
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Post#496 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:26 pm

Vernon Carey Jr.

https://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2776328-5-star-vernon-carey-commits-to-duke-over-unc-michigan-state.html

From NBA DRAFT ROOM

Vernon Carey Jr. C - HT: 6-10 - WT: 260 -WING: 7-0 - FROM: Duke - Fr. BORN: 2/25/01
A bruising center who can overpower opponents in the lane and also has great quickness and agility. Has a nice skill level for a young big but doesn't have ideal length or vertical explosion.

Comp = Derrick Coleman

Vernon Carey Jr. is a big, bruising center who is a load to handle in the paint. He's able to overpower opponents and also has a very high skill level and good athleticism for his size. He's the son of a football player, and if he wasn't such a good basketball player he'd have a future in the NFL.

Strengths
Carey is built like a bull and is a truly powerful player. He does a good job of gaining position in the lane and is really tough to stop within 5 feet of the basket. He makes his moves with good suddenness and a surprisingly quick first step. Combining this speed with his raw power makes him hard to stop in the lane, where he shows a nice array of baby hook shots, spin moves and a soft touch. He also shows some promise with his mid range game and has good shooting form.

Has surprisingly quick feet and decent elevation for a player of his size/weight. Although he's a bruiser, he slides his feet well and is very nimble on the court and excellent in transition.

Carey is a terrific rebounder on both ends of the floor and knows his role as a rebounder, interior defender and rim protector. He doesn't project as an elite shot blocker but he shows good timing coming from the weak side and also does a good job of baiting shooters into taking a shot that he knows he can block.

Plays the game the right way. Knows when to move the ball, when to look to score, and doesn't let his emotions get the best of him.


From BLEACHER REPORT

Averaging 18.6 points and 9.3 rebounds on 61.0 percent shooting, Carey is having his way with teams inside, where he uses his strength, quickness and post game. He looks more mobile than his 270-pound listing suggests. Carey is still more of an old-school, back-to-the-basket big, but occasional flashes of face-up moves and touch (plus 2.2 blocks per game) have been encouraging.












Ok, this kid is seriously growing on me...
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Post#497 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:22 am

Wednesday night... No Wizards game.

9pm

ESPN Duke vs NC State

Vernon Carey Jr. + Cassius Stanley + Tre Jones

7pm

ESPN2 Auburn vs Georgia

Anthony Edwards vs Isaac Okoro


These games are like watching pre-draft workouts !!
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Post#498 » by payitforward » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:08 am

Duke's last two Centers were Bagley & Zion.

Bagley has not been good. I wonder whether Carey is getting some shade from that?
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#499 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 am

payitforward wrote:Fortunately for our fantasy life, however, NBAdraftroom's current mock draft makes it look like we might be able to get those 3 by trading down. In fact, maybe we could do even better.... If we have the #9 pick, the Pelton chart says we can trade it to Boston for the #s 17 & 27 -- & maybe even for those two plus Boston's #46 (there might have to be a little more to the trade however...).

If things go ala nbadraftroom, we would be able to pick Oturu & Reed in R1 & Tillman w/ the #46 pick -- while using the #38 pick we'd have from Chicago to pick someone else. 4 guys!

Bear in mind that we are limited by the size of the roster and the feasibility of grooming so many youngsters at once while also having enough good players to keep Wall and Beal happy. This year was a throwaway season and I'm sure Beal understood that (even if he did express some frustration from time to time). Next year, I don't think Wall and Beal will be that enthusiastic if we sacrifice wins in order to develop players.

We already have the following players under contract:
Wall, Beal, Ish, Brown, Hachimura, Bryant, Wagner, Bonga, Schofield, Robinson. That's 10 guys for sure.

On top of that, the following players have varying likelihoods of being on the roster:
Bertans
Mathews
Napier
Pasecniks
MLE vet

So that's probably at least 12 and maybe as much as 15.

Then we have the draft picks to consider.

I just don't see us trading a high pick for multiple lower picks. If anything, we'll be looking to draft-and-stash our 2nd rounder.
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Re: 2020 Draft 

Post#500 » by Ruzious » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:05 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Vernon Carey Jr.

https://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2776328-5-star-vernon-carey-commits-to-duke-over-unc-michigan-state.html

From NBA DRAFT ROOM

Vernon Carey Jr. C - HT: 6-10 - WT: 260 -WING: 7-0 - FROM: Duke - Fr. BORN: 2/25/01
A bruising center who can overpower opponents in the lane and also has great quickness and agility. Has a nice skill level for a young big but doesn't have ideal length or vertical explosion.

Comp = Derrick Coleman

Vernon Carey Jr. is a big, bruising center who is a load to handle in the paint. He's able to overpower opponents and also has a very high skill level and good athleticism for his size. He's the son of a football player, and if he wasn't such a good basketball player he'd have a future in the NFL.

Strengths
Carey is built like a bull and is a truly powerful player. He does a good job of gaining position in the lane and is really tough to stop within 5 feet of the basket. He makes his moves with good suddenness and a surprisingly quick first step. Combining this speed with his raw power makes him hard to stop in the lane, where he shows a nice array of baby hook shots, spin moves and a soft touch. He also shows some promise with his mid range game and has good shooting form.

Has surprisingly quick feet and decent elevation for a player of his size/weight. Although he's a bruiser, he slides his feet well and is very nimble on the court and excellent in transition.

Carey is a terrific rebounder on both ends of the floor and knows his role as a rebounder, interior defender and rim protector. He doesn't project as an elite shot blocker but he shows good timing coming from the weak side and also does a good job of baiting shooters into taking a shot that he knows he can block.

Plays the game the right way. Knows when to move the ball, when to look to score, and doesn't let his emotions get the best of him.


From BLEACHER REPORT

Averaging 18.6 points and 9.3 rebounds on 61.0 percent shooting, Carey is having his way with teams inside, where he uses his strength, quickness and post game. He looks more mobile than his 270-pound listing suggests. Carey is still more of an old-school, back-to-the-basket big, but occasional flashes of face-up moves and touch (plus 2.2 blocks per game) have been encouraging.


Ok, this kid is seriously growing on me...

I think one thing that's hurt his draft stock is the Okafor effect. Okafor was so obviously overrated at Duke, and Carey is perceived to have similar characteristics - though I do think Carey is quicker and more mobile - not the disaster on defense that Okafor is - and he gets more steals and more blocks. But he does have some of the problems Okafor has - high to's and high fouls. Overall, his stats are better than Okafor's were. Imagine if Carey decided to be a tight end in football - he's got good hands - he'd be unstoppable. I think his father was a pro football player - maybe Sr thought basketball would be safer for Jr? Should be a lotto pick, imo.
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