Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[nate33]

Would you trade Kris Hinrich for Andris Biedrins, straight up?

Beans has had some injuries and so his production is down. But he's still just a baby. $9M a year for 3 more years after this one eats in future cap flexibility. But it's no albatross. He'd be movable. He'd crowd the frontcourt a bit. I doubt you could play him with McGee -- not enough skill.

Eh, I probably would pass.

Good talk.

This is the kind of dialogue I often have with myself when I consider Hinrich trades. The bottom line is that Hinrich is really a great fit on this roster. We have a need for a veteran backup PG. We have a need for a veteran backup SG. We have a need for a veteran who is pretty good, but who doesn't have a big enough ego that he'll demand starter's minutes. And we need that player to have a contract that expires by 2012. Hinrich is perfect.

The only Hinrich trade that makes any sense at all is one in which we get back expiring contracts plus a high 2nd or low 1st. And that's only if we have a free agent target this summer that intrigues us, or if we think a BOYD scenario will pan out again even though there are several other teams probably willing to make BOYD trades.

[dangermouse]

I concur with nate, Hinrich fills a need, he expires in a year we should be looking to make a move to become a playoff team again, which will coincide with the beginning of an upswing in Wall's career. If we send him off, we would have to find someone to fill in at backup point and backup sg.

I do like Biedrins, and i didnt realise how young he was! Good rebounder and a decent defender, but he isnt a guy that we could pair with McGee. No offensive game at all.

I would want a pick or a prospect back from the Warriors, and i dont see them giving that up since Hinrich isnt an expiring.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Would you trade Kris Hinrich for Andris Biedrins, straight up?

Beans has had some injuries and so his production is down. But he's still just a baby. $9M a year for 3 more years after this one eats in future cap flexibility. But it's no albatross. He'd be movable. He'd crowd the frontcourt a bit. I doubt you could play him with McGee -- not enough skill.

Eh, I probably would pass.

Good talk.

I would not trade Kyle for Biedrins. Bierdrins is injury-prone and not as good as McGee.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ran01.html

Beans has a Bill Walton games played progression: 82, 76, 62, 33 games the past 4 seasons. This season he has appeared in 31 games. However, his numbers have continued to decrease the past four seasons. I would pass on him because he's not a player to improve at the FT line or to work through injuries, apparently.

[dangermouse]

are there any playoff or near playoff teams who own picks from other teams in this year's draft? or is there somewhere that i can look that kind of thing up?

i noticed on the trade board (in a trade for nick young) their pick from GSW was offered (top 7 protected).

if we were to move nick (or blatche, or both, or either in a pack with keefer hinrich) that is a trade i wouldnt mind doing (depending on other pieces of course).

[dangermouse]

heres a trade i just knocked up. please be advised that this is my 4th fuzzy navel consumed this sunny afternoon, so its probably pretty bad. this is based on NJ dropping the Melo trade (could just be a ruse) and the article that says they have their sights on AK47 (for the from russia with love connection). AK could walk next year if he doesnt sign an extension with the Jazz, so here they are getting some value back and pieces they can still use in the playoffs. NJ seems intent on pushing their current crew into the playoffs despite their woes, so they keep their 'core' together, add good young pieces to help them in the now, and only give up some youth, the GSW pick and the expiring Murphy.

Washington
trades: Blatche, Booker, Hinrich, Young
recieves: Favors, R. Bell, Morrow, S. Graham

NJ
trades: Favors, S. Graham, Morrow, T. Murphy, GSW 1st
recieves: AK47, N. Young, A. Blatche

Utah
trades: AK47, R. Bell
recieves: Hinrich, Booker, T. Murphy, GSW 1st

looking at it now ive typed it out... its a bit cluttered. it leaves us without a guy who can play backup point, we would have to cut graham and call poor old Hudson back. perhaps someone can modify it to help with the holes left after this trade. but our lineup would look something like this:

Wall/Hudson
Morrow/Bell
Lewis/Thornton
Favors/Yi/Seraphin
McGee/Favors/Seraphin

it gives us toughness inside with the work in progress Favors who is the obvious gem here. Bell is the seasoned vet. Morrow replaces Young, even though Young is much better. when Howard comes back, Lewis could be moved to starting PF in certain situations. we would such a whole lot more this year, the espn trade machine says we win 9 less games. yes, a whole nine!!! that has to be another top 2 pick this draft. utah loses their starting SF, are forced to start Hayward, but they get a high pick to make up for that.

[LyricalRico]

^ I don't think Utah messes with their mix, but I do like the idea of a Favors/Blatche swap. Not sure why NJ would go for it, though. Maybe they will see a jumpshooter like Blatche as a better compliment to Lopez?

[Ruzious]

And I can't see NJ giving Favors away without getting a star back.

It looks like the luster is falling off of DSteve in Dallas. He's shot 6 for 27 in the last 5 games - as a starter - and had 2 zero point games. Meanwhile, Dom Jones continues to rack up DNP's while Beaubois has a broken foot. And Dallas beats the Lakers. Dallas' window to win is very small.

[closg00]

And I can't see NJ giving Favors away without getting a star back.

It looks like the luster is falling off of DSteve in Dallas. He's shot 6 for 27 in the last 5 games - as a starter - and had 2 zero point games. Meanwhile, Dom Jones continues to rack up DNP's while Beaubois has a broken foot. And Dallas beats the Lakers. Dallas' window to win is very small.

D-Suck is back

[JAR69]

RealGM has the one I use: http://realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php. I don't know if there are others.

are there any playoff or near playoff teams who own picks from other teams in this year's draft? or is there somewhere that i can look that kind of thing up?

i noticed on the trade board (in a trade for nick young) their pick from GSW was offered (top 7 protected).

if we were to move nick (or blatche, or both, or either in a pack with keefer hinrich) that is a trade i wouldnt mind doing (depending on other pieces of course).

[LyricalRico]

^ This is the page I use for future picks:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010draftnotes.html

[nate33]

^ This is the page I use for future picks:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010draftnotes.html

I think this page is in a more useful format because it's organized by team:

http://www.draftexpress.com/transactions.php

[cold5]

sorry for being Ill informed as to wizards trade possibilities but would McGee still be available? If so, this deal makes some sense. Mo'Pete, Maynor, Aldrich, and 1st rounder from OKC for Hinrich and McGee. You guys get pick, Hinrich off books, bad chemistry out with McGer, promising center in Aldrich, and decent PG in Maynor. If not, I'm sure OKC has some interest in a deal for Blatche and Hinrich. Thoughts?

[gesa2]

sorry for being Ill informed as to wizards trade possibilities but would McGee still be available? If so, this deal makes some sense. Mo'Pete, Maynor, Aldrich, and 1st rounder from OKC for Hinrich and McGee. You guys get pick, Hinrich off books, bad chemistry out with McGer, promising center in Aldrich, and decent PG in Maynor. If not, I'm sure OKC has some interest in a deal for Blatche and Hinrich. Thoughts?

I can't see a deal unless you're willing to give up Ibaka. We really don't need Harden with Nick Young playing so well this year, and the rest of your spare pieces are not all that interesting. Some Georgetown fans here might disagree, but I don't think Jeff Green is a starter on a really good team.

Maybe Ibaka Collison and Maynor for Blatche and Konrad Hinrich?

[dangermouse]

Pretty sure Ibaka is out of the question from OKC. He will take over the starting PF position when Green goes (if he hasnt already).

And McGee is equally out of the question for us. Replacing him with Aldrich and a late first just isnt enough. What we are looking for in a deal is an upper tier prospect or a lotto pick.

You have a better chance of getting Blatche, but as the above poster said, most posters here arent interested in Green who the package would have to be made around. I wouldnt say im completely uninterested in him, i'd like to see him here playing his natural position. I see it as a similar situation to Rashard Lewis. When the Lewis trade happened, I said he would look better playing most of his minutes at his natural position at the 3, and he has. The same applies for Green. But im not interested in giving up Blatche for him. I highly doubt OKC re-sign him, if we really wanted him im pretty sure (if we have the funds) we could make an offer when he expires that matches what any other team would offer him.

OKC and Wash arent really good trading partners, both value youth and prospects, Washington even more so since we are in the position OKC was when they were in their last year in Seattle.

[gesa2]

Yeah, I thought I was reaching. I don't think our pieces fit with OKC that well.

[dangermouse]

Actually, we may be further ahead of the Sonics the year they got Durant, in terms of rebuilding. We have a few good young pieces, we just need another stud.

Depending on trades and how we draft, I think we will be a sort of hybrid rebuild of the Bulls/Thunder. Thunder did it by getting the alpha-stud and then building from the ground up through the draft. Chicago had pieces, drafted pieces, got lucky and drafted their alpha-stud and then brought in a final piece in free agency. By the sounds of things, we are opting the Thunder route to build through the draft, but we already have more pieces than they had to start. I think the final route we take will all boil down to the draft, and the results of the lockout could change our grand scheme as well.

[LyricalRico]

Tyrus Thomas out for a couple months with a torn meniscus. Blatche to Charlotte?

[DMVleGeND]

Tyrus Thomas out for a couple months with a torn meniscus. Blatche to Charlotte?

Damn Rico, you really hate Blatche.

[DallasShalDune]

Tyrus Thomas out for a couple months with a torn meniscus. Blatche to Charlotte?

Son of a . . .

(Goes to replace Thomas for his fantasy team).

[LyricalRico]

Wizards trade: Blatche+Yi
Wizards receive: Murphy

Bobcats trade: Wallace
Bobcats receive: Blatche+Yi

Nets trade: Murphy
Nets receive: Wallace