Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[Deivy202]

Nate,gay is all around improved his game and single hndly is a top 5 SsF like it or mot.he also gets doubled alot and not to mention this draf looks pretty weak.

Why are you worries? Players do improve trading just like at oj mayo he left to the mavs and avg 14 ppg woth the grizz but is the best player on there team.

Id do it .......we can have a playoff contending team next year and with wall tonight you easily saw yus get better so imagine Gay and a wiz that can develope into next year.m
roll the dice i mean id like to get muhummad but Gay can rebound-asst-improved handling- and has great D and can make his own shot.....yes down year ppg but that can easily change.

[Deivy202]

Interesting that Memphis got routed last night...trade talk may be getting to the team.

I herd this is the same trade we offered for harden but said no to thwm cause we got scared.

Crawford-vasley or singleton or booker-ariza-first pick for gay and maybe tony allen. Ims

So this year wizards would finish

Wall/aj.price
Beal/temple-martin
RUDY GAY(PLEASE COME ) -Webster
Nene/booker
okefor/seraphin


Thats a contending team but since seasons over we can develop into next year.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Nate,gay is all around improved his game and single hndly is a top 5 SsF like it or mot.he also gets doubled alot and not to mention this draf looks pretty weak.

Why are you worries? Players do improve trading just like at oj mayo he left to the mavs and avg 14 ppg woth the grizz but is the best player on there team.

Id do it .......we can have a playoff contending team next year and with wall tonight you easily saw yus get better so imagine Gay and a wiz that can develope into next year.m
roll the dice i mean id like to get muhummad but Gay can rebound-asst-improved handling- and has great D and can make his own shot.....yes down year ppg but that can easily change.

Can you spell check just a little bit so your post is at least, readable?
On the topic of trading for Gay, our team is bereft of talent and I'd like Nene/Okafor and Ariza to be included in any trade and NO picks. I'd rather we traded our protected 1st rounder for a young big man like Demarcus Cousins or Ed Davis.

[WashWiz54]

Rudy in a more up-tempo free flow offense would look much better than what we've seen lately. Heck, Conley just broke out maybe a season and a half ago? And this was after their half-court offense was installed. The guy hasn't had a PG that complimented him since he came in the league. Gay would flourish with more open-court players especially a PG like John Wall. I think they'd compliment each other well and both of their play will improve. It gives Rudy a PG who can give him the ball in open space and gives John a guy to "go to" so he doesn't have to force everything. I like it.

I seriously doubt that there will be a serious change in Gay's game. Maybe his efficiency will improve a little bit with a more open system, but I think it's foolhardy to assume that a dramatic shift is likely. He certainly shouldn't be valued as if a dramatic shift in efficiency is likely. Rudy Gay, right now, is a pretty bad basketball player. Spence had it right. Right now, he statistically isn't even as good as Jordan Crawford. And that's in a system when defenses aren't even focused on him.

Like I said before, I'll live with a trade where we merely send bad contracts out in order to get Gay. After all, it's only money, and it's not my money. But I will probably throw my computer across the room if a find out that we sacrificed a pick to get Rudy Gay.

Nate, I know statistics point to me being wrong. I admit that and it obviously concerns me. I'm right there with you that we DO NOT under any circumstance give them a first rounder (unless its heavily protected) or a key piece of our youth (Wall, Beal, or Seraphin (to a lesser extent)). However, I do think Gay is a good NBA player, can have a positive impact on our team, and would be a good fit. Stats may tell a different story but I do believe Gay is a top talent SF.

Like I said though, if the offer includes key pieces or picks- I'll be pissed. I'm actually afraid of that because it has Ernie written all over it. Like someone else in this thread said, he's the King of outbidding himself. I am however game (and excited) if it is an offer along the lines of Okafor, Crawford, and whatever other fillers that may be needed. Obviously with Okafor probably being sent to a third-party with an expiring heading to Memphis.

[MikeTheKid]

First off, there's no way MEM would give up Gay and Tony Allen, Im hoping if we make a play for Gay we get Josh Selby in the deal. Hes got some serious athleticism and would be a great backup to John Wall in that when Wall sits you get another PG with great athleticism off the bench

[noworriesinmd]

I've been thinking about the Gay trade.
At first I was against it, but now I'm not so sure.

1. We are a HORRIBLE team that has not won in a long time. How many wins is Gay worth? What playoff seed could we get too?

2. We constantly say to hold off on judging Vesely because Wall will make him look "better". If JW can help a bust look average, what could JW do with a near all-star

3, We've been bad for so long, maybe we should focus on winning and the playoff instead of constantly stock-piling picks.


If we could somehow have the lineup:
Wall/Beal/Bazz or McLemore(we're still in the lottery we might get a top 3)/Gay/Cousins

What seed is does that lineup get in 2 years?

Maybe to win, we need to take massive risks.

[Induveca]

Cousins is unattainable at this point. Petrie is an official lame duck with the sale to Seattle.

Gay I feel a bit differently on.....if we could do:

Crawford/Ariza/Vesely for Gay I wouldn't complain. I think he'd be a great target for Wall on the break.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

How would you feel if this happened? Would it work? Too much?

Jordan Crawford, Martell Webster, Trevor Ariza, Trevor Booker and 2014 draft pick (top 5 protected) for Rudy Gay and Wayne Ellington. They get two guys with range, two guys who can fill in for Gay, three guys with NBA experience and lose a large contract in the process. The Wizards get a go-to-scorer in Rudy Gay and a good shooter in Ellington who would back up Beal.

With this year's top pick draft Nerlens Noel.

[Ruzious]

Think about it this way - If the Wiz end up picking Muhammad, the Wiz would likely be stuck with Gay for 3 years on the bench with a per year contract that's higher than the current max allowed by the CBA. And it would have been done intentionally.

Probably not a good plan.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Think about it this way - If the Wiz end up picking Muhammad, the Wiz would likely be stuck with Gay for 3 years on the bench with a per year contract that's higher than the current max allowed by the CBA. And it would have been done intentionally.

Probably not a good plan.

Who says the Wizards are locked into picking Muhammad with Gay onboard? They can now bring in Noel for paint defense, rebounding, and also another "running mate" for Wall.

[nate33]

I herd this is the same trade we offered for harden but said no to thwm cause we got scared.

Heard from who?

I know I was strongly in favor of trading the Beal pick for Harden. So was most of this board. Comparing Harden and Gay is apples and oranges. Harden was a hyper efficient 3rd year player. Gay is one of the least efficient players in the game and has 7 years under his belt.

[nate33]

Cousins is unattainable at this point. Petrie is an official lame duck with the sale to Seattle.

Gay I feel a bit differently on.....if we could do:

Crawford/Ariza/Vesely for Gay I wouldn't complain. I think he'd be a great target for Wall on the break.

That's the most I would offer too. Basically, we'd be giving up cap relief and filler for Gay. I could live with that. I'd rather not make any trade at all, but this wouldn't be horrible - especially if we followed up by trading Okafor for cap relief and then drafted a big this offseason

One other thing I'd like to get on record: I really, really don't want to send out Martell Webster in a Gay trade. Webster may not be a superstar or anything, but he is exactly the type of player that winning teams have. He plays solid D, hits open shots, runs the floor, and most of all, he really cares about winning. It would be such a typical Wizards move to trade the efficient, underpriced, high character guy for the overrated, overpaid big name player.

[Deivy202]

K lets say we keep our first and give them webster?.

I mean id love to.keep the first but the likely hood of that is just not happening but if it does than we be pretty lucky.

[Deivy202]

I herd this is the same trade we offered for harden but said no to thwm cause we got scared.

Heard from who?

I know I was strongly in favor of trading the Beal pick for Harden. So was most of this board. Comparing Harden and Gay is apples and oranges. Harden was a hyper efficient 3rd year player. Gay is one of the least efficient players in the game and has 7 years under his belt.

The same guy whos reporting it. Just a bigger article.

[Deivy202]

Think about it this way - If the Wiz end up picking Muhammad, the Wiz would likely be stuck with Gay for 3 years on the bench with a per year contract that's higher than the current max allowed by the CBA. And it would have been done intentionally.

Probably not a good plan.

Who says the Wizards are locked into picking Muhammad with Gay onboard? They can now bring in Noel for paint defense, rebounding, and also another "running mate" for Wall.

Yea 2014 pick i would surley do

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Wall
beal
gay
nene
Noel


Thia gentle man would be a playoff team instantly id say go for it ...........maybe our FO isnt so stupid if ee got that line up with gay leadong the charge!!!!!!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How would you feel if this happened? Would it work? Too much?

Jordan Crawford, Martell Webster, Trevor Ariza, Trevor Booker and 2014 draft pick (top 5 protected) for Rudy Gay and Wayne Ellington. They get two guys with range, two guys who can fill in for Gay, three guys with NBA experience and lose a large contract in the process. The Wizards get a go-to-scorer in Rudy Gay and a good shooter in Ellington who would back up Beal.

With this year's top pick draft Nerlens Noel.

I don't like it. Gay has done nothing to prove he is worth that much.

There are a ton of scorers in this draft. I believe the Wizards' better bet would be to package Crawford, Booker, and Singleton for players they may select in round 1 and 2. Rudy Gay's exorbitant contract is the type money only the elite players should make. He's not quite there IMO.

Players in this draft like Spencer Dinwiddie and Jackie Carmichael are not even getting any recognition, they can score with the best of them. I believe this draft is going to have NBA-caliber go to guys emerge. Paul George is a stud now, and a guy I would take over Rudy Gay. I think the Wizards are better off trying to draft a Paul George rather overpaying for Gay.

I would make that type deal for Carmelo Anthony, but not for Rudy Gay, AWB.

[DaRealHibachi]

Hell, I would rather have Webster at his price and efficiency than Gay at his.. He is what he is, he ain't getting any better...

I would only take my chances on players with some kind of All-NBA potential (DMC for example); players like Gay are a waste time/money, since they'll eventually need to be replaced by better players...

Thing is, he won't make any (substantial) difference on this team, he'll just make us a little less worse (+7 games or so)...

[Upper Decker]

I've been pretty vocal about being not interested in Rudy Gay. I don't think he's a very good player, however, I've only watched him from afar. As such, I requested a summary of Rudy's game on the Memphis boards. Obviously this individual isn't a scout, but I respect his opinion because he's watched sufficiently to have better insight, so in the interest of full disclosure, here you go...

dark-child
While you do have to take a players salary into consideration you would be missing the boat if you just did that with Rudy and then looked at his production by the numbers. Rudy Gay is probably the fourth best SF in the league behind Lebron, Durant, and Carmelo Anthony. Couple that with the fact that he is probably top ten league wide in Athleticism, he can get his own shot at any time and is therefore a potential closer. Individuals with that skill set often times are done a dis service by their teammates as they are thrown the ball with 5 seconds or less on the shot clock and forced to improvise with varying degrees of success.

Therefore teams look at what he still can be at the age of 26 and you get no shortage of suiters for his services. Yes trading or acquiring talent that never fufills its promise will get a GM fired but it is all about risk reward and the reward for a potential Superstar Rudy Gay is huge.

I know what you are saying, well if he is so great why get rid of him? Memphis is a small market with a still developing fan base, we can ill afford to pay the luxury tax if their are other options at lesser costs. Our core group have better deals and are younger, and plus Rudy will give us the most potential return.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

What if it's a deal of Ariza, Crawford, Singleton, Vesely for Gay?

Gives Wizards a starting lineup of Wall, Beal, Gay, Nene, Okafor. Bench still has Seraphin, Booker, Webster, Martin, Price.

Still have 1st rounder in this draft to add... Noel? Zeller? Len?

Seems like a good move to me. Fact is, a trade like this is the Wizards only real avenue to acquire a player like Gay. And players better than Gay are probably not obtainable for the Wizards as well. Gives us a team that can win now, and keeps the young foundation of Wall, Beal, 1st round pick this year, to build on.

IMO if Wizards can make the deal without giving up their pick, it's a no-brainer. The question is would the Griz do it?

[LyricalRico]

^ Works for me, although I think Memphis would rather have Seraphin than Singleton.