Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[GeeWiz]

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

And Varejao?

Varejao is definitely a better target. At least he's a legit impact player. I'd really be in favor of the idea if we could somehow convince Gortat to sign for a 2-year deal, even if it's for $14M a year or so. That way, we just commit to the existing core, with a veteran big rotation of Gortat, Nene and Varejao, and then we reset in 2016 with cap room as Gortat and Nene come off the books. But I really doubt that's going to be the case. I really think we will sign Gortat for 3 or more years, which puts an end to any hope of acquiring a good young big man via free agency.

This is why I hated the Okafor for Gortat trade so much. It commits us to our roster as currently constructed for the foreseeable future. There really is very little hope that we will add a good young big man in the foreseeable future unless we get really lucky and draft the next Larry Sanders with a pick in the late teens.

I wasn't a fan of the Gortat trade for that same reason.
Now if we don't resign him, we look like idiots. And the worst part: The better move, at least imo, is to not resign and go after a younger big, whoever that may be.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

With Gortat, Ariza, and Vesely coming off the books, that's $15 million. That gives us one shot at a difference making big man still while giving us a decent bench where we are weakest. If we can sign one and Porter works out, we actually have a decent 8 man rotation when Nene is healthy. Not a cap guru; correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not so sure that Gortat isn't better than Monroe (when factoring in defense and the fact that his agent isn't David Falk and he won't command a max salary).

This kinda is what I'm wondering... I've been pushing the all in for Monroe plan, but maybe we'd be better of with Gortat/Varajao. I'm kinda liking the skill of a vet frontcourt of those 2 with Nene. I can see that meshing really well. Harrington in there as well. Nene and Varajao are both 31, and Gortat soon 30. They should be strong the next couple years, if we can get them all signed at the same duration to come off the books 2016 and set our sights on being a good to very good team until then and rebooting with mass cap space 2016.

But that frontcourt trio teamed with Porter, Webster, Beal, Wall could be a team worth keeping for the next few years.

Plus instead of maxing Monroe and going Monroe/Nene, and instead spreading the money out between Gortat and Varajao ... with Varajao we lessen Nene's pt and reduce his risk to injury in the first place, and have a comparable fill in at starting PF with Varajao if he does go down injured at any point.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

And Varejao?

Varejao is definitely a better target. At least he's a legit impact player. I'd really be in favor of the idea if we could somehow convince Gortat to sign for a 2-year deal, even if it's for $14M a year or so. That way, we just commit to the existing core, with a veteran big rotation of Gortat, Nene and Varejao, and then we reset in 2016 with cap room as Gortat and Nene come off the books. But I really doubt that's going to be the case. I really think we will sign Gortat for 3 or more years, which puts an end to any hope of acquiring a good young big man via free agency.

This is why I hated the Okafor for Gortat trade so much. It commits us to our roster as currently constructed for the foreseeable future. There really is very little hope that we will add a good young big man in the foreseeable future unless we get really lucky and draft the next Larry Sanders with a pick in the late teens.

I wasn't a fan of the Gortat trade for that same reason.
Now if we don't resign him, we look like idiots. And the worst part: The better move, at least imo, is to not resign and go after a younger big, whoever that may be.

We'd be in the same boat with Okafor. He was expiring just as Gortat, if he wasn't injured we'd be in the identical position of deciding to re-sign him or not.

At least he gives us a solid plan B if we shoot for Monroe for example and miss on him, we can bring back Gortat and still be ok.

[GeeWiz]

Varejao is definitely a better target. At least he's a legit impact player. I'd really be in favor of the idea if we could somehow convince Gortat to sign for a 2-year deal, even if it's for $14M a year or so. That way, we just commit to the existing core, with a veteran big rotation of Gortat, Nene and Varejao, and then we reset in 2016 with cap room as Gortat and Nene come off the books. But I really doubt that's going to be the case. I really think we will sign Gortat for 3 or more years, which puts an end to any hope of acquiring a good young big man via free agency.

This is why I hated the Okafor for Gortat trade so much. It commits us to our roster as currently constructed for the foreseeable future. There really is very little hope that we will add a good young big man in the foreseeable future unless we get really lucky and draft the next Larry Sanders with a pick in the late teens.

I wasn't a fan of the Gortat trade for that same reason.
Now if we don't resign him, we look like idiots. And the worst part: The better move, at least imo, is to not resign and go after a younger big, whoever that may be.

We'd be in the same boat with Okafor. He was expiring just as Gortat, if he wasn't injured we'd be in the identical position of deciding to re-sign him or not.

At least he gives us a solid plan B if we shoot for Monroe for example and miss on him, we can bring back Gortat and still be ok.

But we lost a 1st dealing for Gortat. Had we stood pat with Okafor, we would have had more cap space, a 1st rounder in a loaded draft class, and an even better opportunity to sign a premier big in FA.
But that isn't how Ernie does things, is it

[theboomking]

I don't think I really like this trade, but if we pick up Monroe somehow, how about Nene for Kendrick Perk a and Steven Adams? Kendrick expires after 2014/15 and we get a young big to groom. OKC dumps Kendrick and improves their chances at a title shot.

Assuming that isn't popular, what else do you think we could get for Nene?

My working assumption is actually that the Wizards would choose to keep him.

[verbal8]

I don't think I really like this trade, but if we pick up Monroe somehow, how about Nene for Kendrick Perk a and Steven Adams? Kendrick expires after 2014/15 and we get a young big to groom. OKC dumps Kendrick and improves their chances at a title shot.

If OKC is looking to get out of Perkins deal, I don't think they want to take on Nene. I think they would be more interested in Gortat. If chasing a championship is a big goal, possibly Gortat would agree to an under market extension with OKC and would make them willing to part with Adams.

[sfam]

Varejao is definitely a better target. At least he's a legit impact player. I'd really be in favor of the idea if we could somehow convince Gortat to sign for a 2-year deal, even if it's for $14M a year or so. That way, we just commit to the existing core, with a veteran big rotation of Gortat, Nene and Varejao, and then we reset in 2016 with cap room as Gortat and Nene come off the books. But I really doubt that's going to be the case. I really think we will sign Gortat for 3 or more years, which puts an end to any hope of acquiring a good young big man via free agency.

This is why I hated the Okafor for Gortat trade so much. It commits us to our roster as currently constructed for the foreseeable future. There really is very little hope that we will add a good young big man in the foreseeable future unless we get really lucky and draft the next Larry Sanders with a pick in the late teens.

Gortat really seems to fit well with the direction we're going. That plus the impact of another losing season on John Wall, I don't know that it wasn't a bad idea to keep him. If Gortat keeps the level of play he is at right now, I'm OK seeing him at center for the next 3-4 years. He's 29 and since he spent so much time backing up Dwight, his body really hasn't been abused. Personally, I'm OK with the Gortat today instead of waiting for Ernie to make the perfect future acquisition for a young center in the future.

EDIT: Said another way, the Wizards are in danger of being regular fun watching for the first time in a long time. Gortat is a big part of that.

[dckingsfan]

With Gortat, Ariza, and Vesely coming off the books, that's $15 million. That gives us one shot at a difference making big man still while giving us a decent bench where we are weakest. If we can sign one and Porter works out, we actually have a decent 8 man rotation when Nene is healthy. Not a cap guru; correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not so sure that Gortat isn't better than Monroe (when factoring in defense and the fact that his agent isn't David Falk and he won't command a max salary).

This kinda is what I'm wondering... I've been pushing the all in for Monroe plan, but maybe we'd be better of with Gortat/Varajao. I'm kinda liking the skill of a vet frontcourt of those 2 with Nene. I can see that meshing really well. Harrington in there as well. Nene and Varajao are both 31, and Gortat soon 30. They should be strong the next couple years, if we can get them all signed at the same duration to come off the books 2016 and set our sights on being a good to very good team until then and rebooting with mass cap space 2016.

But that frontcourt trio teamed with Porter, Webster, Beal, Wall could be a team worth keeping for the next few years.

Plus instead of maxing Monroe and going Monroe/Nene, and instead spreading the money out between Gortat and Varajao ... with Varajao we lessen Nene's pt and reduce his risk to injury in the first place, and have a comparable fill in at starting PF with Varajao if he does go down injured at any point.

I am not a huge Monroe fan... so I would rather see Varajao... but I don't see Cleveland trading him. I would rather send expiring deals for him if we did... I really don't want us to lose Ariza (but I probably overvalue him as a fan).

[dckingsfan]

I wasn't a fan of the Gortat trade for that same reason.
Now if we don't resign him, we look like idiots. And the worst part: The better move, at least imo, is to not resign and go after a younger big, whoever that may be.

We'd be in the same boat with Okafor. He was expiring just as Gortat, if he wasn't injured we'd be in the identical position of deciding to re-sign him or not.

At least he gives us a solid plan B if we shoot for Monroe for example and miss on him, we can bring back Gortat and still be ok.

But we lost a 1st dealing for Gortat. Had we stood pat with Okafor, we would have had more cap space, a 1st rounder in a loaded draft class, and an even better opportunity to sign a premier big in FA.
But that isn't how Ernie does things, is it

He has to make the playoffs to keep his job... that is why I see one more trade coming (and most likely not a good one).

[nate33]

I don't think I really like this trade, but if we pick up Monroe somehow, how about Nene for Kendrick Perk a and Steven Adams? Kendrick expires after 2014/15 and we get a young big to groom. OKC dumps Kendrick and improves their chances at a title shot.

If OKC is looking to get out of Perkins deal, I don't think they want to take on Nene. I think they would be more interested in Gortat. If chasing a championship is a big goal, possibly Gortat would agree to an under market extension with OKC and would make them willing to part with Adams.

It would be a dream scenario to trade Nene for Perkins and Adams. Then we would need Wall to go down with a minor injury (broken pinky or something) to ensure that we miss the playoffs. Then win the lottery and land Jabari Parker. Then resign Gortat with Bird Rights. Our lineup next year:

PG Wall
SG Beal
SF Webster/Porter
PF Parker
C Gortat/Adams

We would have the MLE to fill some holes, plus we could retain Ariza with Bird Rights. That team contends after one year of seasoning.



Of course, none of this is likely, so Gortat for Adams is also worth consideration. We could still sign one of Gortat, Okafor, Monroe or Sanders in the offseason to fill the void left by Gortat. Monroe would make the most sense since Adams projects to be the defensive thug type.

[dckingsfan]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Varajao could be a good fit. Basically utilize a 3 man rotation at C/PF of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, with Gortat and Nene starting and Varajao backing up both.

A logical deal would be Ariza for Varajao straight up. Both have about similar value, and Ariza would fill a need for the Cavs at SF. Moving Varajao would open pt for Bennett, moving Ariza would open pt for Porter.

Maybe try to expand the deal to acquire Jarrett Jack. Maynor and Jack can both be dealt after 12/15. We'd want to wait a few weeks at least before moving Ariza to get Porter up to speed and see if he's ready to step in at least in a backup role to Webster. A deal of Varajao, Jack, Gee for Ariza, Seraphin, Maynor, Singleton, Booker works. Cleveland gets younger and shortens their financial obligations while getting back comparable talent to build towards the future. Washington gets vets and experience and depth in needed spots to further their win now mantra.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6365305

Wizards after trade...

C - Gortat, Varajao, Nene
PF- Nene, Varajao, Harrington, Vesely
SF- Webster, Porter, Gee, Rice
SG- Beal, Jack, Temple, Rice
PG- Wall, Jack, Temple

A top 8 of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Jack, Wall. A starting 5 of Gortat, Nene, Webster, Beal, Wall, with Varajao, Porter, Jack as top reserves. Bench would be rounded out with role players Harrington, Vesely, Gee, Rice, Temple.

Agreed, that would be a solid playoff team in the east. I hate trading Ariza but you get Jack (I don't like his contract) to backup Wall and Varejao to play D and eat FC minutes.

EG would love this trade - playoffs and he keeps his job.

[LyricalRico]

Gortat really seems to fit well with the direction we're going. That plus the impact of another losing season on John Wall, I don't know that it wasn't a bad idea to keep him. If Gortat keeps the level of play he is at right now, I'm OK seeing him at center for the next 3-4 years. He's 29 and since he spent so much time backing up Dwight, his body really hasn't been abused. Personally, I'm OK with the Gortat today instead of waiting for Ernie to make the perfect future acquisition for a young center in the future.

EDIT: Said another way, the Wizards are in danger of being regular fun watching for the first time in a long time. Gortat is a big part of that.

Agree 100%. I'm still in favor of overpaying him to take only 2 years so we can keep any 2016 possibilities in play. But if we have to give him more years, I'd have a hard time being disappointed.

[GeeWiz]

Nene for Marcus Thorton and Jason Thompson?
That would be a savior for our decimated bench with Thorton being a nice scoring punch off the bench.
Sactown needs a veteran presence next to Cousins to keep him in check.
I think (?) all of the contracts expire in the same year, and the salaries match up.


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[TGW]

That would be a bad trade for us. Thornton is completely out of the rotation in Sac, and Thompson has struggled this season. Nene has been very solid this year, and the team plays much better when he's on the court. Sac has been terrible when Thornton and Thompson are on the court.

[LyricalRico]

Nene for Marcus Thorton and Jason Thompson?
That would be a savior for our decimated bench with Thorton being a nice scoring punch off the bench.
Sactown needs a veteran presence next to Cousins to keep him in check.
I think (?) all of the contracts expire in the same year, and the salaries match up.

Thompson's deal goes a year longer than Nene's, but it's only partially guaranteed so that eases the pain a bit. And I think Thornton would be a good fit. Still, with the way Nene has been playing since Gortat got here, I'd think twice about moving him for just cap relief and/or spare parts.

If we really wanted Thornton, I'd rather cobble together a package of expirings+Maynor and keep Nene.

[GeeWiz]

If Thorton is THAT bad, why not make a smaller deal for just Thompson? We certainly wouldn't have to give up Nene, and he can serve as a nice backup center or PF.
I don't even think we would have to give up expirings. At this point, I think the Kings want to clear space for Williams or Patterson.
Or what about a deal for Patterson? A stretch 4 with some potential would be a nice piece.


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[dckingsfan]

If Thorton is THAT bad, why not make a smaller deal for just Thompson? We certainly wouldn't have to give up Nene, and he can serve as a nice backup center or PF.

I don't even think we would have to give up expirings. At this point, I think the Kings want to clear space for Williams or Patterson.

Or what about a deal for Patterson? A stretch 4 with some potential would be a nice piece.

I would think that we could get Thompson and Vasquez for expiring details... but that was shot down because he would cut down on our flexibility moving forward.

Sac is looking to dump Thorton and Thompson. Thorton doesn't play D - not a good fit here. Thompson does - although he will regress to the mean and be fine. Vasquez would be a huge improvement at backup PG.

Singleton, Booker and Maynor for Thompson and Vasquez - but it does limit us the future.

[relinquishy]

If Thorton is THAT bad, why not make a smaller deal for just Thompson? We certainly wouldn't have to give up Nene, and he can serve as a nice backup center or PF.

I don't even think we would have to give up expirings. At this point, I think the Kings want to clear space for Williams or Patterson.

Or what about a deal for Patterson? A stretch 4 with some potential would be a nice piece.

I would think that we could get Thompson and Vasquez for expiring details... but that was shot down because he would cut down on our flexibility moving forward.

Sac is looking to dump Thorton and Thompson. Thorton doesn't play D - not a good fit here. Thompson does - although he will regress to the mean and be fine. Vasquez would be a huge improvement at backup PG.

Singleton, Booker and Maynor for Thompson and Vasquez - but it does limit us the future.

I would do Booker + Maynor + 2nd rounder for Vasquez in a heart beat. I honestly think if we had Vasquez we would be a MUCH better team because we could rely on our scrubs to get open looks and because Vasquez can score decently well. Because he is 6 foot 6, we could pair him with Wall at times and put him at the 2.

[dckingsfan]

If Thorton is THAT bad, why not make a smaller deal for just Thompson? We certainly wouldn't have to give up Nene, and he can serve as a nice backup center or PF.

I don't even think we would have to give up expirings. At this point, I think the Kings want to clear space for Williams or Patterson.

Or what about a deal for Patterson? A stretch 4 with some potential would be a nice piece.

I would think that we could get Thompson and Vasquez for expiring details... but that was shot down because he would cut down on our flexibility moving forward.

Sac is looking to dump Thorton and Thompson. Thorton doesn't play D - not a good fit here. Thompson does - although he will regress to the mean and be fine. Vasquez would be a huge improvement at backup PG.

Singleton, Booker and Maynor for Thompson and Vasquez - but it does limit us the future.

I would do Booker + Maynor + 2nd rounder for Vasquez in a heart beat. I honestly think if we had Vasquez we would be a MUCH better team because we could rely on our scrubs to get open looks and because Vasquez can score decently well. Because he is 6 foot 6, we could pair him with Wall at times and put him at the 2.

Yeah but... Sacramento wants to shed salary

[GeeWiz]

There are a lot of Sactown players who we could use. Isaiah Thomas would be awesome to have and is still on a ridiculously cheap deal. He'd be a perfect backup guard off the bench. I have no idea how we would acquire these guys, but its a nice thought.


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