Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[tontoz]

I am on the fence with KO. He has the potential to be good, but a lot of NBA players fall well short of their potential. This season is big for him.

Smith started making 3s point last season, at a pretty high clip over the last two months. After the AS break he was taking almost 6 threes per 36 minutes shooting 47.4%. I think we can safely say he has made himself into a legit 3 pt shooter so his value has gone up a lot.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Portis for McCullough anyone?

Hell yeah.
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Sure, just don't sucker punch your teammates.

Zach Randolph punched a teammate early in his career. People were very condemning of him the same as they now are of Bobby Portis.

I got to meet Randolph shortly after the incident. I told him I thought he was going to be an All-Star one day. He was something like 10 years later.

I don't even care about Portis' fight. Stuff like that happens between teammates. Bobby Portis needs to be traded.

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[montestewart]

Hell yeah.
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Sure, just don't sucker punch your teammates.

Zach Randolph punched a teammate early in his career. People were very condemning of him the same as they now are of Bobby Portis.

I got to meet Randolph shortly after the incident. I told him I thought he was going to be an All-Star one day. He was something like 10 years later.

I don't even care about Portis' fight. Stuff like that happens between teammates. Bobby Portis needs to be traded.

I wouldn't mind seeing EG get in on some of these buy low opportunities. Would like to know more of the back story on the altercation.

Haywood punched Etan and Kwame, isn't that right?

[gambitx777]

I would do a trade of some sort with them for portis is we could pull that off. I would go for lopez too ?
What about a trade of disgruntled players between us Chi and orlando ?
Wiz get Lopez, portis, and vucivic.
Orlando gets ian, gortat and cash (enough to get them to agree)
Chicago get: Byiambo, Chris. M the a second rights to Aaron white and a furutre second.

its a pretty lateral move for all teams really. just gives everyone a fresh home.
Nikola was not happy in orlando last year and orlando has some buyers remorse over byiambo. Gotat was not happy here and we have buyers remorse over ian. Portis blew his top and lpez does not fit too well in a rebuild. anything else in this trade is filer.
We get two healthy centers and a young big an save a little cash long term. orlando does actually save a little cash too, but they get another crack at gortat and the HC loves ian. Chicago, the 25 (ish) year old byiambo fits a rebuild better, and Chris replaces portis (sorta) and they assets help their rebuild. I don't know the rules to cash in trades but enough to make it worth their while, if ted can open up the check book, and thats a big if.

[gambitx777]

Robin lopez and bobby portis for ian and mac, and a 2018 second and a 2019 top 20 protected first( becomes our next two avalible seconds if not paid by 2021

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Portis for McCullough anyone?

Green font is a friend of the sarcastic.

Might as well see if they'll bite (figuratively) on Jason Smith and a 2nd rounder for Portis. The Wiz don't have much in the way of tradable assets. Actually, why not do a Morris for Portis trade - trade of the bad boys. Morris for Portis and Justin Holliday - Jrue's brother. Justin's been a journeyman, but I think he's a legit solid backup - He's a good long defender, and he developed a 3 point shot. He also shined in the preseason.

Smith was better than Portis last year, and probably this year as well. Obviously age and salary tilt back to Portis, but that trade is not outlandish at all.

? Why do you think Smith was better than Portis last year?

No doubt he was the more efficient scorer -- scored a little less, but at a career-high TS% -- driven by an outstanding 3pt. %.

But Portis did so many other things so much better -- especially he was a much better rebounder, committed way fewer fouls, & turned the ball over much less -- that overall he pretty clearly had the better season.

All the more hard to understand is your thinking Smith would "probably" be better this year. That seems particularly unlikely.

Combine that with Portis having far more upside than Jason Smith, & I think he's a lot better asset. Now... he's definitely just put a bump in his own road! So, who knows what the Bulls would want to do with him.

[queridiculo]

Robin lopez and bobby portis for ian and mac, and a 2018 second and a 2019 top 20 protected first( becomes our next two avalible seconds if not paid by 2021

There's just no way I'd concede a first round pick in this trade irrespective of the protections.

Then again, considering the tax implications and the prospect of a first being attached to shed Mahinmi's deal there's a real possibility that the first rounder is gone already anyway.

Getting a young PF with potential and the prospect of $28 million in expiring contracts between Gortat and Lopez following the 18/19 season might make it worthwhile.

A Portis for McCullough trade is salary neutral, but Washington would probably save quite a bit of cash in the Lopez for Mahinmi transaction.

[pcbothwel]

Robin lopez and bobby portis for ian and mac, and a 2018 second and a 2019 top 20 protected first( becomes our next two avalible seconds if not paid by 2021

There's just no way I'd concede a first round pick in this trade irrespective of the protections.

Then again, considering the tax implications and the prospect of a first being attached to shed Mahinmi's deal there's a real possibility that the first rounder is gone already anyway.

Getting a young PF with potential and the prospect of $28 million in expiring contracts between Gortat and Lopez following the 18/19 season might make it worthwhile.

A Portis for McCullough trade is salary neutral, but Washington would probably save quite a bit of cash in the Lopez for Mahinmi transaction.

I actually dont mind giving up the 1st for Portis and the salary drop... But I need clarity on Lopez. At 25/26 he was playing great defense and highly efficient offense for the Blazers. He has been on 3 teams in 3 years since and gotten worse on both sides of the ball every year...
Thats my hesitation.

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Robin lopez and bobby portis for ian and mac, and a 2018 second and a 2019 top 20 protected first( becomes our next two avalible seconds if not paid by 2021

There's just no way I'd concede a first round pick in this trade irrespective of the protections.

Then again, considering the tax implications and the prospect of a first being attached to shed Mahinmi's deal there's a real possibility that the first rounder is gone already anyway.

Getting a young PF with potential and the prospect of $28 million in expiring contracts between Gortat and Lopez following the 18/19 season might make it worthwhile.

A Portis for McCullough trade is salary neutral, but Washington would probably save quite a bit of cash in the Lopez for Mahinmi transaction.

Gamby loves to trade away our picks. It's his favorite pastime. I think he would buy a pick if it meant he could trade it!

The Bulls are rebuilding. They aren't going to want Mahinmi. Not an attractive trade for them. &, no, we cannot trade away more picks. We are so hamstrung salary-wise that if we don't have rookie contracts we'll have 10 terrible players instead. & no future. & certainly no title shot.

[dangermouse]

Robin lopez and bobby portis for ian and mac, and a 2018 second and a 2019 top 20 protected first( becomes our next two avalible seconds if not paid by 2021

I'd do it. I'd prefer to keep Gortat. He looks spry and his chemistry with Wall will be hard to replace. I was pro-trading Gortat if Mahinmi looked good now that he's healthy but he really hasn't showed me a thing yet.

[gambitx777]

Robin lopez and bobby portis for ian and mac, and a 2018 second and a 2019 top 20 protected first( becomes our next two avalible seconds if not paid by 2021

There's just no way I'd concede a first round pick in this trade irrespective of the protections.

Then again, considering the tax implications and the prospect of a first being attached to shed Mahinmi's deal there's a real possibility that the first rounder is gone already anyway.

Getting a young PF with potential and the prospect of $28 million in expiring contracts between Gortat and Lopez following the 18/19 season might make it worthwhile.

A Portis for McCullough trade is salary neutral, but Washington would probably save quite a bit of cash in the Lopez for Mahinmi transaction.

Gamby loves to trade away our picks. It's his favorite pastime. I think he would buy a pick if it meant he could trade it!

The Bulls are rebuilding. They aren't going to want Mahinmi. Not an attractive trade for them. &, no, we cannot trade away more picks. We are so hamstrung salary-wise that if we don't have rookie contracts we'll have 10 terrible players instead. & no future. & certainly no title shot.

Piff you have 0 imagine nation and your are just ignoring things. We keep our 2018 pick and use it a rookie deal. Its a protected pick so we might not need to pay it till in 2019 anyway. if we do its one year. We would also have a relatively young team because we would have the ability to resign portis and kelley.
Chicago might do this because it does two things adds assets and gives them a centers that is serviceable enough to make up for the loss of lopez. and they don't need cap room for a few years, so by the time they are ready to go to the next step mahinmi will be a 16 mill trade chip. and its a down the road move that makes sense for them. They might not get a better offer for an aging and declining lopez or a problem child like portis.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Philly has mad depth. They have guys buried on their bench who would be legit rotation guys for us. Would love to get McConnell and/Okafur. I’d even trade them a pair of tube socks and a box of balls.

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There's just no way I'd concede a first round pick in this trade irrespective of the protections.

Then again, considering the tax implications and the prospect of a first being attached to shed Mahinmi's deal there's a real possibility that the first rounder is gone already anyway.

Getting a young PF with potential and the prospect of $28 million in expiring contracts between Gortat and Lopez following the 18/19 season might make it worthwhile.

A Portis for McCullough trade is salary neutral, but Washington would probably save quite a bit of cash in the Lopez for Mahinmi transaction.

Gamby loves to trade away our picks. It's his favorite pastime. I think he would buy a pick if it meant he could trade it!

The Bulls are rebuilding. They aren't going to want Mahinmi. Not an attractive trade for them. &, no, we cannot trade away more picks. We are so hamstrung salary-wise that if we don't have rookie contracts we'll have 10 terrible players instead. & no future. & certainly no title shot.

Piff you have 0 imagine nation and your are just ignoring things. We keep our 2018 pick and use it a rookie deal. Its a protected pick so we might not need to pay it till in 2019 anyway. if we do its one year. We would also have a relatively young team because we would have the ability to resign portis and kelley.
Chicago might do this because it does two things adds assets and gives them a centers that is serviceable enough to make up for the loss of lopez. and they don't need cap room for a few years, so by the time they are ready to go to the next step mahinmi will be a 16 mill trade chip. and its a down the road move that makes sense for them. They might not get a better offer for an aging and declining lopez or a problem child like portis.

Easy there amigo. I was just having fun with you -- but, still... one of these days I want you to dream up a trade where instead of giving up a pick, we get an extra one!

Teams that are rebuilding don't usually trade for more salary obligations. & if you think they get more assets in the trade than they give up... why then they benefit more than we.

I suppose in some sense it depends on how high a value you put on Portis. As I say, I loved him coming out of college. Not sure how much confidence I have in him at present.

[gambitx777]

Gamby loves to trade away our picks. It's his favorite pastime. I think he would buy a pick if it meant he could trade it!

The Bulls are rebuilding. They aren't going to want Mahinmi. Not an attractive trade for them. &, no, we cannot trade away more picks. We are so hamstrung salary-wise that if we don't have rookie contracts we'll have 10 terrible players instead. & no future. & certainly no title shot.

Piff you have 0 imagine nation and your are just ignoring things. We keep our 2018 pick and use it a rookie deal. Its a protected pick so we might not need to pay it till in 2019 anyway. if we do its one year. We would also have a relatively young team because we would have the ability to resign portis and kelley.
Chicago might do this because it does two things adds assets and gives them a centers that is serviceable enough to make up for the loss of lopez. and they don't need cap room for a few years, so by the time they are ready to go to the next step mahinmi will be a 16 mill trade chip. and its a down the road move that makes sense for them. They might not get a better offer for an aging and declining lopez or a problem child like portis.

Easy there amigo. I was just having fun with you -- but, still... one of these days I want you to dream up a trade where instead of giving up a pick, we get an extra one!

Teams that are rebuilding don't usually trade for more salary obligations. & if you think they get more assets in the trade than they give up... why then they benefit more than we.

I suppose in some sense it depends on how high a value you put on Portis. As I say, I loved him coming out of college. Not sure how much confidence I have in him at present.

I also mean no offence amigo.
in a few years when john wall in ready to be done. Then yes ill be right there with you trading off guys for picks.

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Philly has mad depth. They have guys buried on their bench who would be legit rotation guys for us. Would love to get McConnell and/Okafur. I’d even trade them a pair of tube socks and a box of balls.

The reason they have so much depth is that 9 of the 15 guys on their team are their own R1 or high R2 draft picks.

A 10th guy (Justin Anderson) came in a trade for someone they'd picked (Noel).

An 11th, Covington, came for free -- having played only 32 minutes for any NBA team other than the Sixers.

A 12th guy, Nik Stauskas, plus a R1 pick(!), came to them from the Kings for the rights to the #47 & #60 picks in 2015 (Kings were clearing cap room).

The other 3 guys on the team -- Redick, Johnson & Bayless -- were FA signings on short contracts. The Sixers are stacked for the future!

[prime1time]

What do people think about Jahlil Okafor? He literally gets no playing time right now. It's crazy.

[pcbothwel]

What do people think about Jahlil Okafor? He literally gets no playing time right now. It's crazy.

I wouldnt give up a positive asset for him. I.E. I would trade Mahinmi, but not Jason Smith or Gortat.

That said, if the Wiz are playing well and Mahinmi holds down the defense of the 2nd unit then we cant downgrade from contending for 1 or 2 seed.

[verbal8]

What do people think about Jahlil Okafor? He literally gets no playing time right now. It's crazy.

I wouldnt give up a positive asset for him. I.E. I would trade Mahinmi, but not Jason Smith or Gortat.

That said, if the Wiz are playing well and Mahinmi holds down the defense of the 2nd unit then we cant downgrade from contending for 1 or 2 seed.

Unless they went playoffs or bust and were convinced Jason Smith was the missing piece, I can't see them having interest.

Mahinmi, if he appears somewhat but not hugely overpaid may actually have appeal for the Sixers. They might figure the deal is better than typical FA signings and shorter.

Gortat is a great deal for his production. I would want someone who can get minutes(or is a high level prospect) in return.

[verbal8]

Is there a tempting offer the Celtics could make for Porter?

I could see Ainge either seeing his youth as intriguing to help set the Celtics on a post Cavs window. Or alternately in an "All in" scenario for the next few years, the closest replacement to Hayward that could be available.

[J-Ves]

Is there a tempting offer the Celtics could make for Porter?

I could see Ainge either seeing his youth as intriguing to help set the Celtics on a post Cavs window. Or alternately in an "All in" scenario for the next few years, the closest replacement to Hayward that could be available.

Probably not. In terms of pure value I guess he could, but the Wizards are a win now team, they don’t want picks or players that need development over finished products.