Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

I'm independant. Or should I say a commitment phobe. No single platform can hold me down!

In other words, you can't give me an answer that actually makes sense.

Don't forget, practically anyone can vote. Anyone.

look the name calling and labelling (with me) starting 5 pages ago. A mod is practially endorsing it 5 pages later. I dont care. i'm gald that mods are relaxed here. But, you now want me to actually answer your questions? ever ask yourself what is wrong with you that you think that works? i mean methodically? even stylistically? let alone practically or realistically?

shoot first! ask questions later!

[stilldropin20]

@stilldropin20

I'm going to ask this one more time because I'm genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

How can you be an Obama voter (three times), a Bernie voter and then support Trump?

Are you against the ACA, Climate Change regulations,Police reform, Single Payer (Sanders), etc etc?

The person you seem to enamored with (Trump) is literally against EVERYTHING Obama/Sanders stand for.

I know you said previously "It's not about me" but yes, it kinda is.

I'm just asking you to explain the radical switch in ideology 'cause on the surface it makes LITERALLY NO SENSE.

I'm independant. Or should I say a commitment phobe. No single platform can hold me down!

Will multiple platforms hold you down? I have Amazon Prime.

[Pointgod]

this is an 8th grade history class level understanding of the world. Which makes it hard to discuss with you. I grew out of this level of understanding when i was 18 and in the US NAvy serving aboard the the USS Parche as an ET/CT tech (now intelligence officer). That was nearly 30 years ago. Sorry, I'm calling rank here. You need to read more. learn more. Try not to look for the gotchya moment when reading and learning. Just absorb. For decades. just absorb.

Lol so much for engaging in meaningful debate. Whil you engage in conspiracy theories and completely make up baseless assumptions I present my argument with supporting evidence. Please feel free to counter my argument while citing actual evidence. Don't just tuck your tail between your legs and run.

bruh, i dig the passion. Truly. Thats a great thing. Keep the passion. keep learning. The fact that you and everyone else in this thread is even thinking about this stuff i find important. Even when we think we are "teaching each other" we are still learning. try to keep an open mind. I will too.

But you want me to talk (assists and points per game) not even eFG% or PER yet. And i'm trying to talk BPM, VORP, TS%. just too much ground between us on those types of fronts.

For example:

Trump is taking on Globalist UN right now. Netanyahu: "this was the boldest and most courageous statement in 30 years of involvement with the UN!!"

See there's that arrogance again claiming that your knowledge on politics is somehow superior yet you provide zero supporting evidence, you've flat out been wrong in a lot of your arguments and you push falsehoods.

Your Netanyahu example shows the lack of critical thinking required to understand why Netanyahu would be kissing Trumps ass. And please look up the meaning of globalist, you're obviously using it in the wrong context.

[stilldropin20]

Lol so much for engaging in meaningful debate. Whil you engage in conspiracy theories and completely make up baseless assumptions I present my argument with supporting evidence. Please feel free to counter my argument while citing actual evidence. Don't just tuck your tail between your legs and run.

bruh, i dig the passion. Truly. Thats a great thing. Keep the passion. keep learning. The fact that you and everyone else in this thread is even thinking about this stuff i find important. Even when we think we are "teaching each other" we are still learning. try to keep an open mind. I will too.

But you want me to talk (assists and points per game) not even eFG% or PER yet. And i'm trying to talk BPM, VORP, TS%. just too much ground between us on those types of fronts.

For example:

Trump is taking on Globalist UN right now. Netanyahu: "this was the boldest and most courageous statement in 30 years of involvement with the UN!!"

See there's that arrogance again claiming that your knowledge on politics is somehow superior yet you provide zero supporting evidence, you've flat out been wrong in a lot of your arguments and you push falsehoods.

Your Netanyahu example shows the lack of critical thinking required to understand why Netanyahu would be kissing Trumps ass. And please look up the meaning of globalist, you're obviously using it in the wrong context.

look, you and 2-3 other posters are clearly looking for nothing more than a "gothcya." You aren't even attempting to be transparent about it with me or a few other posters. Your goal is to do nothing more than disparage anything i say with whatever bull click bait you can find. and i clearly see through that. yet you are still trying. Why is this type of conversation so important to you? just let it go, bro.

[Pointgod]

bruh, i dig the passion. Truly. Thats a great thing. Keep the passion. keep learning. The fact that you and everyone else in this thread is even thinking about this stuff i find important. Even when we think we are "teaching each other" we are still learning. try to keep an open mind. I will too.

But you want me to talk (assists and points per game) not even eFG% or PER yet. And i'm trying to talk BPM, VORP, TS%. just too much ground between us on those types of fronts.

For example:

Trump is taking on Globalist UN right now. Netanyahu: "this was the boldest and most courageous statement in 30 years of involvement with the UN!!"

See there's that arrogance again claiming that your knowledge on politics is somehow superior yet you provide zero supporting evidence, you've flat out been wrong in a lot of your arguments and you push falsehoods.

Your Netanyahu example shows the lack of critical thinking required to understand why Netanyahu would be kissing Trumps ass. And please look up the meaning of globalist, you're obviously using it in the wrong context.

look, you and 2-3 other posters are clearly looking for nothing more than a "gothcya." You aren't even attempting to be transparent about it with me or a few other posters. Your goal is to do nothing more than disparage anything i say with whatever bull click bait you can find. and i clearly see through that. yet you are still trying. Why is this type of conversation so important to you? just let it go, bro.

I'm correcting you on your lack of knowledge of some topics(ie it's illegal to just take a country's oil) and some of the falsehoods that you've been pushing (Hillary sold Uranium to Russia). I think you're devoted to a certain ideology and try to hide it under a pseudo intellectual vaneer. I dont think you actually want to have a debate, but im willing to take in new information from your perspective if you can make a convincing argument with sources. Either that or just ignore my post and we can end this conversation.

[Wizardspride]

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[montestewart]

look the name calling and labelling (with me) starting 5 pages ago. A mod is practially endorsing it 5 pages later. I dont care. i'm gald that mods are relaxed here.

Not endorsing name calling, but you gotta at least accept some jokes and wisecracks when you come into a forum with an outlier position. Opposing views are good for discussion, but there are some well articulated views here, and some very well-informed people (Zards, Zonker, PIF, Doc, just to name a few, bring their A games), so don't be surprised if you're challenged. I'll do my best to keep extreme name calling to a minimum. Carry on.

[Ruzious]

I am going to call Trump names. He is a jerk and a turd and ahole. Everyone who voted for him, is implicitly endorsing his behavior. I got shouted down during the election for telling the truth and I'm not going to tolerate it any more. When I see turdlike behavior, I'm calling it out. I'm not apologizing for telling the truth.

actin kinda shady? aint call IN him, baby?

Hey, if Monte's letting you quote Destiny's Child, then you gotta expect some name-calling.

[stilldropin20]

monte and Ruz

i'm glad you guys are relaxed. But if posters are going to come in flaming hot from jump street then its just silly to expect engagement later.

and frankly, this is what makes us STUPID and keeps us in the dark.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

here you go pointgod,

click above. none of that has been debunked and in fact written by the liberal NY Times.

If you dont accept this article as (part) of the "baseline facts" regarding HRC and the clinton foundation as well as her globalist agenda to enrich themeselves along the way then I dont know how we can converse. This is just 1 issue I have with HRC and by extension the DNC and outgoing Obama administration. How can they support that? How can you!!??

[gtn130]

Hey stilldropin20,

I know we've been hard on you, but hear me out here:

My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your posts gave me cancer anyway.

[stilldropin20]

Hey stilldropin20,

I know we've been hard on you, but hear me out here:

My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your posts gave me cancer anyway.

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[Wizardspride]

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[dobrojim]

The Obama Administration brought this country's economy back from the brink of a recession, dramatically reduced the unemployment rate, and put in place a law that has reduced the percentage of Americans without health insurance to the lowest level ever.

I'd call that "putting America first."

Thus far, Trump has been all bluster and threats. Get back to me when he has actually accomplished something.

the economy has been 100% trump. the dow. the credit markets. the money supply. employment participation. unempoloyment. everything began to turn hard right away from the recession on November 8th because trump campaigned on 15% corporate tax rate which would repatriate trillions of (american business) dollars currently paying as low as 10% in countries like Ireland (Apple). as well as bring back manufacturing. keeping current manufacturing in place. get out of bad paris accord where the US who has 1/100th the carbon foot print of India and china yet have more restrictions. etc. etc.

these are the reasons your 401K was down in october 2017 from its high in 2008 and instead of being down in now 10-15% higher depending on how aggressive your holdings. These are all Trump. The economy has all been trump. No way around that. None.

I'm sorry. I rarely feel moved to write in quite this way, but, stilldropin20, you are an utter idiot.

Trump has had no effect whatever on the economy. If anything his anti-nafta moves have raised prices (e.g. on Canadian lumber -- making houses more expensive to build).

The economy didn't "begin to turn" one bit after his election, & it hasn't since his election. The economy kept going along as it has. Employment continued to raise modestly month by month -- as it had under Obama -- & economic growth hasn't changed either.

Above all, to confuse a rise in the dow with "the economy" is just too dimwitted to let pass. Nor were we "in a recession" when Trump was elected. Nor do you have the slightest notion (b/c no one could) of what the Dow would have done had Clinton been elected. Or Sanders, had he been the candidate.

Your analysis of why the dow was down from its '08 high is also idiotic -- you made it up!

There is no tax policy that would repatriate trillions of dollars. & manufacturing, globally, is losing jobs every single day & won't stop losing jobs. China today, vs. 10 years ago, has 25% fewer people working in manufacturing.

Any thoughts as to why that is? Actually... any thoughts at all?

Great response!

[dobrojim]

SD20's positions on issues are just like his hero's, subject to 180 degree change on a whim.
Is not having any set principles actually a principle? I complain or note how hard it is to
change minds with evidence. SD20/DJT show me what that looks like taken to logical extreme
(with or without evidence).

[Pointgod]

monte and Ruz

i'm glad you guys are relaxed. But if posters are going to come in flaming hot from jump street then its just silly to expect engagement later.

and frankly, this is what makes us STUPID and keeps us in the dark.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

here you go pointgod,

click above. none of that has been debunked and in fact written by the liberal NY Times.

If you dont accept this article as (part) of the "baseline facts" regarding HRC and the clinton foundation as well as her globalist agenda to enrich themeselves along the way then I dont know how we can converse. This is just 1 issue I have with HRC and by extension the DNC and outgoing Obama administration. How can they support that? How can you!!??

Are you sure about that? Saying Hillary Clinton sold Uranium to Russia is disingenuous at best and a purposeful lie at worst. It's a typical right wing talking point and I'd treat anything from the right wing media with a healthy dose of skepticism until fully researched. I don't have time to fully explain why claims Clinton sold Uranium to Russia is dubious but here are some sources that thoroughly debunk the claim.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2015/04/30/twenty-plus-errors-fabrications-and-distortions/203480

Even the guy who is the source of these claims has admitted that he has no evidence to support them

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: But the assistant secretary who sat -- the assistant secretary of State who sat on the committee said she never intervened on any CFIUS issue at all.

SCHWEIZER: Well, I think that deserves further scrutiny. I would question that. To argue that (INAUDIBLE)...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But based on what? Based on what?

SCHWEIZER: Well, I think based on her (INAUDIBLE)...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you have any evidence that she actually intervened in this issue?

SCHWEIZER: No, we don't have direct evidence. But it warrants further investigation because, again, George, this is part of the broader pattern. You either have to come to the conclusion that these are all coincidences or something else is afoot.

I'm guessing that you were unaware of this stuff and just repeating what you've heard about the Clintons that fit you preconceived beliefs. I wouldn't immediately believe negative news without diving into the details.

[stilldropin20]

monte and Ruz

i'm glad you guys are relaxed. But if posters are going to come in flaming hot from jump street then its just silly to expect engagement later.

and frankly, this is what makes us STUPID and keeps us in the dark.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

here you go pointgod,

click above. none of that has been debunked and in fact written by the liberal NY Times.

If you dont accept this article as (part) of the "baseline facts" regarding HRC and the clinton foundation as well as her globalist agenda to enrich themeselves along the way then I dont know how we can converse. This is just 1 issue I have with HRC and by extension the DNC and outgoing Obama administration. How can they support that? How can you!!??

Are you sure about that? Saying Hillary Clinton sold Uranium to Russia is disingenuous at best and a purposeful lie at worst. It's a typical right wing talking point and I'd treat anything from the right wing media with a healthy dose of skepticism until fully researched. I don't have time to fully explain why claims Clinton sold Uranium to Russia is dubious but here are some sources that thoroughly debunk the claim.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2015/04/30/twenty-plus-errors-fabrications-and-distortions/203480

Even the guy who is the source of these claims has admitted that he has no evidence to support them

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: But the assistant secretary who sat -- the assistant secretary of State who sat on the committee said she never intervened on any CFIUS issue at all.

SCHWEIZER: Well, I think that deserves further scrutiny. I would question that. To argue that (INAUDIBLE)...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But based on what? Based on what?

SCHWEIZER: Well, I think based on her (INAUDIBLE)...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you have any evidence that she actually intervened in this issue?

SCHWEIZER: No, we don't have direct evidence. But it warrants further investigation because, again, George, this is part of the broader pattern. You either have to come to the conclusion that these are all coincidences or something else is afoot.

I'm guessing that you were unaware of this stuff and just repeating what you've heard about the Clintons that fit you preconceived beliefs. I wouldn't immediately believe negative news without diving into the details.

The Article I linked Is written and published by the ny times and award-winning journalists 2 years ago with no retractions or apologies. It's a liberal paper. They are a "big 5" news source. Not anything like the click-bait that you source. It connects all the dots you need to know. If you don't accept the information in this article then you are clearly a bury your face in THE sand at all costs liberal. You clearly are not interested in the truth. All you care about is your agenda and your narrative which is odd because something tells me you're likely not a politician nor do anything at all with the DNC or the liberal-left. Just some kind of crazed internet crusader with no Crusade.

Their is no point in discussing politics any further with you.

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[stilldropin20]

SD20's positions on issues are just like his hero's, subject to 180 degree change on a whim.
Is not having any set principles actually a principle? I complain or note how hard it is to
change minds with evidence. SD20/DJT show me what that looks like taken to logical extreme
(with or without evidence).

Trump is bumbling buffoon. I've said this now at least 5 times in different way. He us awkward. And perhaps even naive or playa that role really well.

He has the audacity, as the world super power to get up in front of the un and say that's not enough. I want more for the American people.

He is willing to commit political suicide by saying the things he does and taking on the issues that he does. Every other regime has kicked these issues down the line for decades.

He's taking them on even though it's political suicide for nearly every other person on the planet. Its naive. Its foolish. And he's doing it. Put a 10 billion dollar brand on the line. I respect that.

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[payitforward]

...Their is no point in discussing politics any further with you.

Well... back to school on the word "there", but otherwise... do you promise?

Yet, that thing you do, you know, where you stuff your cranial cavity with dirty socks & then write a post in this thread? Can you get that onto youtube, man?

[stilldropin20]

...Their is no point in discussing politics any further with you.

Well... back to school on the word "there", but otherwise... do you promise?

Yet, that thing you do, you know, where you stuff your cranial cavity with dirty socks & then write a post in this thread? Can you get that onto youtube, man?

Sooooooo, like I said 7 pages ago. This Thread merely exist for small-minded people to call each other names.

We should make a different political thread for people that actually wanted to scuss things.

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[Ruzious]

Hey stilldropin20,

I know we've been hard on you, but hear me out here:

My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your posts gave me cancer anyway.

Wow, whether that's fair or not, that's compelling writing. I felt a punch in the gut at the end.

Oh, it was my boss trying to get me to work instead of posting on this website.