Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[queridiculo]

guys. real life right here.

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Haha, what on earth is this, what's the story here?

[pancakes3]

no real story other than that's a real, genuine pic of Trump's notes before he addressed media on the South Lawn before leaving for Texas today.

[queridiculo]

[queridiculo]

no real story other than that's a real, genuine pic of Trump's notes before he addressed media on the South Lawn before leaving for Texas today.

He needs notes to remember this, to me that IS the story.

[gtn130]

Trump outing himself as a bumbling sundowning idiot should not be a story to anyone. This has been clear for a long time.

[daoneandonly]

da1's political views are as bad as his Luka Doncic scouting takes (oh yeah I remember ). Its easy to sound like you are good guy when you decide to call your point ''for life''. OH yeah, I stand for life, I cant possibly be in the wrong. This is grey area at its best, and I hate everyone who is so full of believing he is right on such subject, its just insulting to see.

Seeing how you think Boban is a superstar, your takes aren't much to brag about either.

[daoneandonly]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/471031-new-york-man-pleads-guilty-to-threatening-to-kill-omar

cool. cool cool cool.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/ilhan-omar-pleads-compassion-man-threatened-her-life-letter

“We must ask: who are we as a nation if we respond to acts of political retribution with retribution ourselves? The answer to hate is not more hate; it is compassion,” she wrote.

“Punishing the defendant with a lengthy prison sentence or a burdensome financial fine would not rehabilitate him. It would not repair the harm he has caused. It would only increase his anger and resentment,” wrote Omar.

She’s a better person than me. Daoneandonly should take notes and learn what religion truly is about. I know he had strong opinions on her. Wonder what he has to say now?

It is possible to be forgiving, compassionate, but also believe in accountability and the idea that actions have consequences. She's proved on multiple occasions she does not believe or want to adhere to the latter

[Wizardspride]

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[Ruzious]

guys. real life right here.

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And Trump's the guy who's so anti-notes that he's made a policy that nobody takes notes in his meetings. That's why Sondland didn't keep notes during the Ukraine meetings. It was against State Department rules. Ironically, people are saying Sondland's testimony would be more reliable if he had taken notes. Guys, it was against the rules for him to take notes in extremely important meetings! How crazy is that? But that's where we are, because people don't give a ____.

[Pointgod]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/471031-new-york-man-pleads-guilty-to-threatening-to-kill-omar

cool. cool cool cool.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/ilhan-omar-pleads-compassion-man-threatened-her-life-letter

“We must ask: who are we as a nation if we respond to acts of political retribution with retribution ourselves? The answer to hate is not more hate; it is compassion,” she wrote.

“Punishing the defendant with a lengthy prison sentence or a burdensome financial fine would not rehabilitate him. It would not repair the harm he has caused. It would only increase his anger and resentment,” wrote Omar.

She’s a better person than me. Daoneandonly should take notes and learn what religion truly is about. I know he had strong opinions on her. Wonder what he has to say now?

It is possible to be forgiving, compassionate, but also believe in accountability and the idea that actions have consequences. She's proved on multiple occasions she does not believe or want to adhere to the latter

You’re hopeless never mind

[daoneandonly]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/19/ilhan-omar-pleads-compassion-man-threatened-her-life-letter





She’s a better person than me. Daoneandonly should take notes and learn what religion truly is about. I know he had strong opinions on her. Wonder what he has to say now?

It is possible to be forgiving, compassionate, but also believe in accountability and the idea that actions have consequences. She's proved on multiple occasions she does not believe or want to adhere to the latter

You’re hopeless never mind

You're conflating showing mercy with condoning criminal behavior. That's dangerous and reckless IMO as it leads to people essentially doing whatever they heck they please, since there's no regard for consequences.

[pancakes3]

i wonder how many fox viewers realize that hannity/ingram/carlson aren't news shows. Not pejoratively either - like, legitimately, as a format, by design, does not claim to be a news (read: fact-based) program.

[dobrojim]

Those Faux news shows are their own variety of MeToo movement
with the sole purpose reinforcing reflexive opposition to anything BHO did
whether or not it actually adheres to their benefit.

Speaking of BHO, I gotta start asking righties what they are talking about
when they allege BHO was a divisive leader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-already-have-a-popular-progressive-agenda-they-just-need-to-amplify-it/2019/11/21/e32e51ce-0ca3-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html

Catherine Rampell today pointing out how broad the popular consensus is for a number
of Democratic policy positions, even among Republican voters. Policies mentioned include
things like background checks for gun purchases, a more progressive income tax system
and paid family leave.

[daoneandonly]

Those Faux news shows are their own variety of MeToo movement
with the sole purpose reinforcing reflexive opposition to anything BHO did
whether or not it actually adheres to their benefit.

Speaking of BHO, I gotta start asking righties what they are talking about
when they allege BHO was a divisive leader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-already-have-a-popular-progressive-agenda-they-just-need-to-amplify-it/2019/11/21/e32e51ce-0ca3-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html

Catherine Rampell today pointing out how broad the popular consensus is for a number
of Democratic policy positions, even among Republican voters. Policies mentioned include
things like background checks for gun purchases, a more progressive income tax system
and paid family leave.

One can just stop reading after a statement like this:

Yes, they differ on exactly how to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations, but basically all propose doing so. In espousing those ideas, they contrast sharply with their Republican politician counterparts, who advocate flatter tax rates and more cuts specifically for the rich. But in espousing these ideas, the Democratic candidates find common ground with Americans writ large, most of whom believe that both high-income people and corporations have not been paying their fair share.

Most Republicans dont argue cuts specifically for the rich, they argue for taxes that are more fair and don't favor one bracket over the other, which a flatter tax system would accomplish. And when you talk about fair share, we should also address the subject of people only paying 10, 12, or 22% of their earnings while others are forced to pay 32, 35%

[gtn130]

Most Republicans dont argue cuts specifically for the rich, they argue for taxes that are more fair and don't favor one bracket over the other, which a flatter tax system would accomplish. And when you talk about fair share, we should also address the subject of people only paying 10, 12, or 22% of their earnings while others are forced to pay 32, 35%

Most Republicans don't say the quiet part loud, that is true.

[gtn130]

i wonder how many fox viewers realize that hannity/ingram/carlson aren't news shows. Not pejoratively either - like, legitimately, as a format, by design, does not claim to be a news (read: fact-based) program.

I think most fox viewers if shown the actual facts in A Clockwork Orange fashion would be able to suss out what's real and what isn't, but everyone has crossed the rubicon along with the GOP and facts do not matter anymore. Their reality is whatever they want it to be as long as the Trump Universe continues to exist, so it's really not worth considering whether Fox is news or entertainment.

[pancakes3]

And when you talk about fair share, we should also address the subject of people only paying 10, 12, or 22% of their earnings while others are forced to pay 32, 35%

In defining "fair" the goal is to try and make the impact of taxes on taxpayers the same rather than adhering to arbitrary percentages.

A 25% tax rate affects a poor person more than a rich person. That's because our expenditures are bifurcated. Bifurcated means split into two categories. Money is spent on (1) essentials, and (2) luxuries. There's gray area between them but we can largely agree, in generalities that there are things that people NEED to buy and things that people WANT to buy.

This is why a progressive tax rate makes sense.

You have person A making $40,000 and person B making $400,000. If both are taxed at at 25%, sure Person A is only paying $10,000 and B is paying $100,000. However, Person A is going to have zero ability to save, and more importantly, Person A's kids are going to have a more difficult time. Person B is paying 10x more in taxes, but is still comfortable with a $300,000 take-home. His basic needs are more than met. He doesn't feel the impact the same as person A even though the numbers match up.

So yes, a flat tax is simple, and might seem fair because the numbers line up, but on a practical matter, it really isn't that fair. The only reason it seems fair is because the measure of fairness is tied to the numbers and not to the effects.

You can agree or disagree with this statement, but either way, you should be able to recognize that it's a legitimate argument.

I would love to hear a counterargument other than "but the numbers line up"

If that were the case, why not extend that logic to its logical conclusion and make the numbers ACTUALLY line up and make everyone pay the same sum certain? Every taxpayer is treated equally, and pays $5000 to the government every year in taxes.

[daoneandonly]

Most Republicans dont argue cuts specifically for the rich, they argue for taxes that are more fair and don't favor one bracket over the other, which a flatter tax system would accomplish. And when you talk about fair share, we should also address the subject of people only paying 10, 12, or 22% of their earnings while others are forced to pay 32, 35%

Most Republicans don't say the quiet part loud, that is true.

Didn't someone on here post that liberals as a whole are more wealthy than conservatives, not only that, but conservative states have more poverty and welfare/food stamps? If thats the case, the generalization doesnt make sense. This is about treating people equally, fairly, and being accountable for yourself and not have to pony up for others. Someone paying 32% while others pay 10, 12, 22 is just flat out insulting and disrespectful

[dobrojim]

Gracious!

I should apologize for setting off this discussion mostly because it's
a horse that's been dead and flogged to unrecognizable status.

It's kinda entertaining in a way though. It seems there is a notion
that libs should only favor those things that benefit them directly (if they're smart I guess).
To that I'd say, libs do think that way to a certain extent, but perhaps
no where near as much as cons do. They're wired differently. They actually
care about society as a whole to a considerable degree.

PS it remains quite unclear if a particular con has truly begun
to realize or understand the difference between rates and marginal rates.

[dobrojim]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nunes-political-donations-buy-15k-celtics-tickets-lavish/story?id=56689995&fbclid=IwAR0afXXDlp-ycHkaRbNmrsO-3HSzTWPCZfMC1i7VO_WamlMVuioMe6sRJ1s

Dev, my man. Whadda guy. Highly ethical that one.