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Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder

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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#501 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:31 pm

Dark Faze wrote:yall remember this? :

https://www.awesemo.com/sideaction/scott-brooks-says-he-will-punish-team-if-russell-westbrook-dunks-bjs/

Might be tinfoil hat stuff, but it always struck me as odd at the time. Was there something they were concerned about health wise? Fast forward to a month later and now bro looks like he has no lift at all.

Exactly. I think Brooks must have noticed something was physically wrong with Westbrook. Otherwise, it was a bizarre thing to do on his part.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#502 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:53 pm

Shanghai Kid wrote:The Rockets are 6-4 on the season in the games Wall has played. And they have a cupcake schedule coming up over the next 10.

John IS playing the best defense he has had in a long time. He's also finishing at the basket better than he ever has. Those are both signs that he's gotten rid of some health issues that were plaguing him.

On the other hand, he's not quite the playmaker he used to be. From watching him it looks like more decides to score or pass ahead of time now. In the past he could do both pretty fluidly in a flow. That might be him needing time to get comfortable on the court and his teammates. And he still can't shoot. His scoring efficiency is pretty much on par of what's been the norm for him in his career.

But overall so far it's been a solid comeback for John. No matter the stats, leading the Rockets to wins is the biggest thing he can do to raise his value and stock in the league. They've won 4 in a row and have said nothing but positive things about John's leadership.


Yeah, he definitely needs more time with his new teammates as I've noticed the lack of playmaking and reversion to ISO ball.

And regarding his shot... it *looks* a lot better but the results are the same. :lol: Though last night he was 3-7 from 3 point range which he needs more nights of.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#503 » by Dat2U » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:03 pm

No question Wall has raised his value while Westbrook's has tanked. Houston fans seem pretty happy right now.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#504 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Feb 1, 2021 6:17 am

The plot thickens. We have a Westbrook sighting.

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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#505 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:50 pm

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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#506 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:56 pm

Wall's made 11 of 18 3's in his last 3 games. Houston's won 6 straight and got their record to 10-9. Grats to John Wall. Here's to Houston showing Harden he made a mistake. And Christian Wood is the real deal.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#507 » by pcbothwel » Tue Feb 2, 2021 2:58 pm

Ruzious wrote:Wall's made 11 of 18 3's in his last 3 games. Houston's won 6 straight and got their record to 10-9. Grats to John Wall. Here's to Houston showing Harden he made a mistake. And Christian Wood is the real deal.

Yeah... they look much better, but lets not lose sight that those 6 wins were against team with a combined record of 42 - 72 (.368).
The only decent team out of that group was Portland, who needed Melo to play 38 minutes without CJ McCollum.

Still a chance the trade works out for both teams.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#508 » by DCZards » Tue Feb 2, 2021 5:29 pm

Ruzious wrote:Wall's made 11 of 18 3's in his last 3 games. Houston's won 6 straight and got their record to 10-9. Grats to John Wall. Here's to Houston showing Harden he made a mistake. And Christian Wood is the real deal.

Wall 11 of 18 from 3, and the Rockets winning 6 straight. Impressive. But I'm not sure how this shows Harden that he made a mistake. I doubt that James feels that way.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#509 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 2, 2021 6:52 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Wall's made 11 of 18 3's in his last 3 games. Houston's won 6 straight and got their record to 10-9. Grats to John Wall. Here's to Houston showing Harden he made a mistake. And Christian Wood is the real deal.

Wall 11 of 18 from 3, and the Rockets winning 6 straight. Impressive. But I'm not sure how this shows Harden that he made a mistake. I doubt that James feels that way.

It's an idiom. "Here's to" - meaning hoping it happens.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#510 » by queridiculo » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:37 pm

Ruzious wrote:Wall's made 11 of 18 3's in his last 3 games. Houston's won 6 straight and got their record to 10-9. Grats to John Wall. Here's to Houston showing Harden he made a mistake. And Christian Wood is the real deal.


Christian Wood is my fantasy hero.

Drafted him at the bottom of the 5th round of a 12 team league and he has not let me down!
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#511 » by ClutchDJ » Sun Feb 7, 2021 8:01 pm

NatP4 wrote:Grain of salt. That guy is a complete idiot. Here is another silly take:


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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#512 » by doclinkin » Mon Feb 8, 2021 1:09 am

Not Beal. Doubtful Sheppard and Brooks. Ted.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#513 » by payitforward » Mon Feb 8, 2021 1:57 am

Let's put it this way... we all hope the move can be pinned on Ted & Ted only! We all like Tommy & want him to succeed.

In one sense, there is no question about it: as they say, sh*t rises: at the very least, for us to have given a R1 pick in the deal, Ted had to be deeply involved.

But, it's more than that. This team's entire identity had been built around John Wall. The guy was the face of the franchise from the first day he arrived in town.

A decision to trade him was far more significant than a basketball decision. A decision of this magnitude almost had to come from the very top. In fact, what am I saying...? Take that "almost" out of there!

To tell the truth, it's even worse than that. Why did we trade John for Russ?

Why did we trade John for a guy who was clearly on the down-slope of his career but came with an "all-NBA, superstar, 1st-ballot-HOF" pedigree? That too -- isn't it obvious? -- was a Ted decision. A decision without a down side for Ted.

If Russ returned to his form of a couple of years ago... great! If he continues to decline, well... "We didn't expect Russell Westbrook to go downhill so quickly, but you know... we can't control what we can't control, & Father Time is one of those things we can't control: we certainly expected Russ to play out his contract at a high level. The fact that he hasn't is unfortunate, but... it's not really our fault."

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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#514 » by Dark Faze » Mon Feb 8, 2021 3:07 am

Brad probably didn't green light it but he didn't go out of his way to stop it either, which he almost certainly had an opportunity to do. You don't just pull the trigger on this kind of thing without getting input from your superstar, particularly one with an upcoming player option. Brad probably just said "do what you feel is right".

If they come to Brad with the idea and he says "naw, I want to play with John", then the deal doesn't happen, surely.

I don't know how much I blame Brad though. Doubt it was about not liking John, but moreso just the on court reality. They never won together, and he was coming off of two years without playing. Russ put up numbers last year despite his reputation, and has no history of being injury prone. If I'm Brad I probably do the same thing.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#515 » by Error Afflalo » Mon Feb 8, 2021 4:07 am

trade sucked when it happened and sucks more now :nonono:
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#516 » by gambitx777 » Mon Feb 8, 2021 4:39 am

We were clearly worried about walls attitude, behavior and health there is a half a season left wair it out.

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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#517 » by dlts20 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 4:11 am

gambitx777 wrote:We were clearly worried about walls attitude, behavior and health there is a half a season left wair it out.

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Which is disrespectful to me. Westbrook is just as injured as Wall, he's older, and I spoke when it happened that I'm bothered by how much Ted was bothered by the gang signs. It just seemed like a culture difference. Yes wall shouldn't have done it but more than half the league has somewhat of gang ties, Wall is clearly 10x more mature now, and no one has done more in the community. You just going to overlook that? He's a different person now. Anyone can see that and Ted let's one minor thing make it seem like Wall was going Antonio Brown. Ted himself made the story bigger than it would have ever been
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#518 » by Wizardspride » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:29 pm

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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#519 » by queridiculo » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:47 pm

dlts20 wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:We were clearly worried about walls attitude, behavior and health there is a half a season left wair it out.

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Which is disrespectful to me. Westbrook is just as injured as Wall, he's older, and I spoke when it happened that I'm bothered by how much Ted was bothered by the gang signs. It just seemed like a culture difference. Yes wall shouldn't have done it but more than half the league has somewhat of gang ties, Wall is clearly 10x more mature now, and no one has done more in the community. You just going to overlook that? He's a different person now. Anyone can see that and Ted let's one minor thing make it seem like Wall was going Antonio Brown. Ted himself made the story bigger than it would have ever been


This.

Judge a man by his actions. Wall has, and was embraced by the local community more than any other player before him, and I am including Gilbert here.

Sure, Arenas was the mainstream folk hero, but Wall connected with DC on a different level and to a different crowd that didn't necessarily show up in season ticket sales, and that wasn't targeted by the organization beyond perhaps making Wale the team ambassador.

Leonsis let his own ego and biases get in the way of making a decision for DC basketball and for its fans.

It's akin to Pollin renaming the team and shipping out Webber.

Leonsis showed his true colors.
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Re: Woj - Westbrook for Wall and 1st Rounder 

Post#520 » by gambitx777 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:58 pm

At this point ... I'm wondering if beal actually pulled that trigger.

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