Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[Ruzious]

It's not like Haliburton is setting the world en fuego. His scoring has gone down from 15.5 per 40 to only 12.4 while his shooting percentages have gone down - which is a bit surprising. And they drafted Davion Mitchell - who's also a 3rd guard type - with the 9th pick - which makes Hali tradable - considering they also have Fox and Hield. They need a forward to complement Barnes and a center to share the load with Holmes. Barnes and Holmes are having fabulous seasons. Not saying Hali will come cheap, but I doubt Sac considers him untouchable by any stretch.

Wow, I get to disagree with you . I think Sac feels that feels that the trio of Fox, Halliburton and Mitchell is their long-term future.

I think the odd man out is Hield - which (in my mind (and I am no GM)) would be a good thing for us?

Edit: If you wanted to "sell high" on Avidja (you don't believe in his long-term future) then you swap Avidja for Rui.

Hield may very well be the odd man out, but that's hardly written in stone. I mean... he's a career over 40% 3 point shooter on extremely high volume - filling a needed role on the team. There's certainly value in a player like that. But he's got a big contract that lowers his trade value, so how are they going to improve by trading him? Mitchell's certainly not going to take up the slack for Hield's 3 point shooting. And no, we shouldn't look to acquire Hield - paying him over 20 mil a year to back up Beal doesn't make sense. If we trade Beal somewhere else, it might make some sense.

[dckingsfan]

It's not like Haliburton is setting the world en fuego. His scoring has gone down from 15.5 per 40 to only 12.4 while his shooting percentages have gone down - which is a bit surprising. And they drafted Davion Mitchell - who's also a 3rd guard type - with the 9th pick - which makes Hali tradable - considering they also have Fox and Hield. They need a forward to complement Barnes and a center to share the load with Holmes. Barnes and Holmes are having fabulous seasons. Not saying Hali will come cheap, but I doubt Sac considers him untouchable by any stretch.

Wow, I get to disagree with you . I think Sac feels that feels that the trio of Fox, Halliburton and Mitchell is their long-term future.

I think the odd man out is Hield - which (in my mind (and I am no GM)) would be a good thing for us?

Edit: If you wanted to "sell high" on Avidja (you don't believe in his long-term future) then you swap Avidja for Rui.

Hield may very well be the odd man out, but that's hardly written in stone. I mean... he's a career over 40% 3 point shooter on extremely high volume - filling a needed role on the team. There's certainly value in a player like that. But he's got a big contract that lowers his trade value, so how are they going to improve by trading him? Mitchell's certainly not going to take up the slack for Hield's 3 point shooting. And no, we shouldn't look to acquire Hield - paying him over 20 mil a year to back up Beal doesn't make sense. If we trade Beal somewhere else, it might make some sense.

Great points. It isn't set in stone but the concrete is definitely hardening.

For them, I think a high volume 3 point shooter at the forward would be more "interesting" than Hield (hence Bertans). And they need depth at forward in a big way (Rui or Avidja).

For us, we get a volume 3 point shooter that can fill in behind Beal (and a bit behind KCP), we get insurance and move Bertans (to balance the rotation).

Is it a perfect trade? No. But I think there are merits for both teams.

[DCZards]

I don't see any way that Sac would prefer Bertans to Hield. I know I wouldn't.

Yes, both are primarily 3 pt shooters but Hield is more dependable and less streaky than Bertans and has a more diverse offensive game than Bertans.

It seems to be that Hield's stock has gone up this season while Bertans' has gone down.

Bertans is much less expensive than Hield, but I don't think that would be enough to tip the scales in his favor from Sac's standpoint.

[dckingsfan]

It isn't Bertans for Hield - it is Bertans and Rui. Sac really needs an influx of forwards.

The reason is their guard rotation is already set and Hield is the odd man out.

[nate33]

It isn't Bertans for Hield - it is Bertans and Rui. Sac really needs an influx of forwards.

The reason is their guard rotation is already set and Hield is the odd man out.

Bertans + Rui for Hield is a horrible idea.

[dckingsfan]

It isn't Bertans for Hield - it is Bertans and Rui. Sac really needs an influx of forwards.

The reason is their guard rotation is already set and Hield is the odd man out.

Bertans + Rui for Hield is a horrible idea.

I like it. It gives us an instant scorer off the bench behind Beal. It gives us insurance if Beal leaves.

[nate33]

It isn't Bertans for Hield - it is Bertans and Rui. Sac really needs an influx of forwards.

The reason is their guard rotation is already set and Hield is the odd man out.

Bertans + Rui for Hield is a horrible idea.

I like it. It gives us an instant scorer off the bench behind Beal. It gives us insurance if Beal leaves.

If Beal leaves, I don't want insurance. I want to rebuild.

And I'm not sacrificing Rui to make an essentially lateral move of Bertans to Hield.

The ONLY rationale for this would be dump Bertans' contract. But if I'm using Rui to dump Bertans, I want back an expiring contract, not a guy like Hield who is on the hook at $20M a year for 2 more seasons (after this one).

If we wanted a gunner at shooting guard, we should have just signed Mathews at the vet minimum.

[dckingsfan]

Bertans + Rui for Hield is a horrible idea.

I like it. It gives us an instant scorer off the bench behind Beal. It gives us insurance if Beal leaves.

If Beal leaves, I don't want insurance. I want to rebuild.

And I'm not sacrificing Rui to make an essentially lateral move of Bertans to Hield.

The ONLY rationale for this would be dump Bertans' contract. But if I'm using Rui to dump Bertans, I want back an expiring contract, not a guy like Hield who is on the hook at $20M a year for 2 more seasons (after this one).

If we wanted a gunner at shooting guard, we should have just signed Mathews at the vet minimum.

I am not with you on that. Given the team we have, I like where we are now. I would like to keep our Center tandem.

So - we will be in disagreement on the go forward plan.

The plan I am offering is an insurance plan that also makes us better right now. It does have the additional advantage of moving Bertans.

I think Rui would also benefit from a change of scenery to a smaller market. And let's be honest Rui hasn't been all that over the last two seasons (other than flashes).

[pcbothwel]

Esshhh. How terrible.
Hield: 29 y/o with 3/62M left on contract
Per 36 over last 3 years: 20 & 5 with 1.5 AST:TOV ratio, 41 / 39 / 84 shooting; ORtg/DRtg of 107/116; TS of 56%

Bertans: 29 y/o with 3/54M left on contract (Or 4/65M if kept)
Per 36 over last 3 years: 17 & 5 with 1.5 AST:TOV ratio, 41 / 40 / 87 shooting; ORtg/DRtg of 119/116; TS of 62%

Sooo. I see Bertans as the cheaper and more impactful player while being just as deficient as Hield on defense.

You could argue that Hield is a better fit than Bertans on some rosters, but to think Rui should be added for any swap is blasphemy

[bsilver]

I like it. It gives us an instant scorer off the bench behind Beal. It gives us insurance if Beal leaves.

If Beal leaves, I don't want insurance. I want to rebuild.

And I'm not sacrificing Rui to make an essentially lateral move of Bertans to Hield.

The ONLY rationale for this would be dump Bertans' contract. But if I'm using Rui to dump Bertans, I want back an expiring contract, not a guy like Hield who is on the hook at $20M a year for 2 more seasons (after this one).

If we wanted a gunner at shooting guard, we should have just signed Mathews at the vet minimum.

I am not with you on that. Given the team we have, I like where we are now. I would like to keep our Center tandem.

So - we will be in disagreement on the go forward plan.

The plan I am offering is an insurance plan that also makes us better right now. It does have the additional advantage of moving Bertans.

I think Rui would also benefit from a change of scenery to a smaller market. And let's be honest Rui hasn't been all that over the last two seasons (other than flashes).

Certainly like Hield over Bertans, and trade would make us better this year. But hate to trade Rui before we know what we got. He had a very good playoff series, and that might be the real Rui.

In any case, don't see any trades until everyone is back and we can make a better evaluation.

[dckingsfan]

In any case, don't see any trades until everyone is back and we can make a better evaluation.

+1 - there is that. And we are playing pretty well

[gambitx777]

Rui hatchimurs is still very much a starter on this team and to use him to dump bertans is silly. Now if you wanna add Bryant to a trade as a minor sweater go for it we have gafford but we don't have another Rui. Rui is way to promising to dump in a bertans trade that's silly

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[mhd]

My latest:

Wizards trades Dinwiddie+Bertans+Bryant for Wall
Houston trades Wall for Bertans+Bryant+Dragic
Raptors trade Dragic for Dinwiddie

Wall comes home and the Wiz get a PG who can pass, penetrate, and actually play aggressively.
Raptors get a PG (FVV is NOT a PG)
Houston saves money.

[verbal8]

My latest:

Wizards trades Dinwiddie+Bertans+Bryant for Wall
Houston trades Wall for Bertans+Bryant+Dragic
Raptors trade Dragic for Dinwiddie

Wall comes home and the Wiz get a PG who can pass, penetrate, and actually play aggressively.
Raptors get a PG (FVV is NOT a PG)
Houston saves money.

How picks are the Wizards getting? If Wall could get that haul(realizing Bertans has negative trade value) he would not currently be on the Rockets roster.

One thing that might be interesting for the Wizards is putting Bertans + incentive for decent player - say Dragic - in the middle of a John Wall deal. While the Rockets might be very hesitant to give up an incentive directly - they may be more willing to downgrade the players/contracts they get in return if they can move on from the John Wall stand-off.

[J-Ves]

Beal for Simmons

We’d probably want to dump Bertans or Kuz and get a guard back while we’re at it

[verbal8]

Beal for Simmons

We’d probably want to dump Bertans or Kuz and get a guard back while we’re at it

I think getting Maxey back could help. Simmons is a talent, but I am not sure the Wizards have the right roster to build around him.

If you add a Seth Curry for Bertans swap - it would work value-wise in my opinion. I think Beal has a higher upside, but Simmons is younger with a longer contract.

[rl25g]

4 team trade.

Was trades Dinwiddie, Bertans, Trez, 2 seconds
Wiz get Marcus Smart, Favors , E. Gordon

Change Point guards and take longer, more expensive deal of Smart off of Boston. Smart needs a change of scenery, and he would fit nicely with WUJ as a defensive first coach. We cash in on Trez value and dump Bertans. Balances out roster and add even more vets with playoff experience

Smart / Holiday/Neto
Beal/Gordon
KCP/Deni/Kispert
Kuz/Rui
Gafford/Bryant/Favors


Boston trades Smart, Nesmith, Herangomez
Boston gets Dinwiddie, Trez, Was 2nd

Cut bait on Smart for a shorter deal in Dinwiddie. Add interior offense and attitude off the bench in Trez

Houston trades Gordon
Houston gets Bertans, Was 2023 first

Okc trades Favors, Was 2023 first
Okc gets Herangomez, Nesmith, WAS 2nd
Get a prospect for a vet. Was 2023 is heavily protected but they get a 2nd back

[Dat2U]

Simple move. Dinwiddie & Bertans for Kyrie. Nets need a PG and get back someone they are very familiar with. Kyrie doesn't have to worry about mandates in DC.

[nate33]

4 team trade.

Was trades Dinwiddie, Bertans, Trez, 2 seconds
Wiz get Marcus Smart, Favors , E. Gordon

Change Point guards and take longer, more expensive deal of Smart off of Boston. Smart needs a change of scenery, and he would fit nicely with WUJ as a defensive first coach. We cash in on Trez value and dump Bertans. Balances out roster and add even more vets with playoff experience

Smart / Holiday/Neto
Beal/Gordon
KCP/Deni/Kispert
Kuz/Rui
Gafford/Bryant/Favors


Boston trades Smart, Nesmith, Herangomez
Boston gets Dinwiddie, Trez, Was 2nd

Cut bait on Smart for a shorter deal in Dinwiddie. Add interior offense and attitude off the bench in Trez

Houston trades Gordon
Houston gets Bertans, Was 2023 first

Okc trades Favors, Was 2023 first
Okc gets Herangomez, Nesmith, WAS 2nd
Get a prospect for a vet. Was 2023 is heavily protected but they get a 2nd back

Marcus Smart is not really a very good player. Dinwiddie for Smart is a downgrade, at least if we assume Dinwiddie will regain some semblance of his pre-injury form.

Trez for Favors is a significant downgrade.

Bertans for Gordon is a help because Gordon's contract is a year shorter, but it's definitely not worth the massive talent loss in the other parts of the trade plus the loss of two more 2nd rounders (which we don't even have to trade).

[nate33]

Simple move. Dinwiddie & Bertans for Kyrie. Nets need a PG and get back someone they are very familiar with. Kyrie doesn't have to worry about mandates in DC.

Yes. This.

The way I see it, our roster is reasonably well balanced. There are no massive redundancies whereby we can send out a non-contributing player and get back one who will contribute a lot more at a position of desperate need. Therefore, there is no trade out there involving a swap of fair values that is going to result in any significant improvement.

If we want to improve, we need an unbalanced trade in our favor. The only way that happens is if you seek out distressed assets from teams in desperate circumstances. Kyrie qualifies.