Political Roundtable Part XX

[Zonkerbl]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior. YOU GUYS are not posting nor arguing in good faith by not acknowledging that.

If you gave me carte blanche to investigate anyone (AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM INCLUDING THEIR LAWYERS) I would find crimes. FACT. There is no way that minimally technicalities would not be broken. By the people around you let alone you. Or HRC-weiner, Huma, Comey, Lynch, Mccabe, etc etc. We would find crimes. And then if I offered immunity to those around who we found crimes, and they sing (rather compose) a criminal narrative around you. I could do it. And I could do it for every single human being on palnet earth. There is no human being on planet that i could not entrap with carte blanche investigatory power. And clearly that includes trump. And I said that 1 year ago. But this is NOT justice. This is not how our justice system is suppose to work. This is gestapo tactics. "Show me the man and I will show you the crime."

bro, HRC's entire team was offered IMMUNITY PRIOR TO QUESTIONING!!!!!!!! Those that deleted the emails, acid washed the drives, and broke their balckberries with hammers all had immunity prior to questioning. and most if not every single one of them was NOT QUESTIONED UNDER OATH.

The email investigation was entirely swept under the rug by and HRC friendly DOJ led by Lynch at first then Comey who had their jobs on the line in an election year. They were certain HRC would win. Comey even said so. His only chance of keeping his job was NOT indicting HRC and he pretty much came right out an said so during his various book publicity engagements.

compare this with trump. starting with flynn. he didn't even know he was being "questioned." They sandbagged him. Just to start this entire russia hoax.

Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.

Well there’s a convincing argument. SD20 says so! It must be true!

Nate, I believe trump must be impeached because a raving homeless guy told me so! What’s your response to that? Huh? HUH?!?

[gtn130]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior. YOU GUYS are not posting nor arguing in good faith by not acknowledging that.

If you gave me carte blanche to investigate anyone (AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM INCLUDING THEIR LAWYERS) I would find crimes. FACT. There is no way that minimally technicalities would not be broken. By the people around you let alone you. Or HRC-weiner, Huma, Comey, Lynch, Mccabe, etc etc. We would find crimes. And then if I offered immunity to those around who we found crimes, and they sing (rather compose) a criminal narrative around you. I could do it. And I could do it for every single human being on palnet earth. There is no human being on planet that i could not entrap with carte blanche investigatory power. And clearly that includes trump. And I said that 1 year ago. But this is NOT justice. This is not how our justice system is suppose to work. This is gestapo tactics. "Show me the man and I will show you the crime."

bro, HRC's entire team was offered IMMUNITY PRIOR TO QUESTIONING!!!!!!!! Those that deleted the emails, acid washed the drives, and broke their balckberries with hammers all had immunity prior to questioning. and most if not every single one of them was NOT QUESTIONED UNDER OATH.

The email investigation was entirely swept under the rug by and HRC friendly DOJ led by Lynch at first then Comey who had their jobs on the line in an election year. They were certain HRC would win. Comey even said so. His only chance of keeping his job was NOT indicting HRC and he pretty much came right out an said so during his various book publicity engagements.

compare this with trump. starting with flynn. he didn't even know he was being "questioned." They sandbagged him. Just to start this entire russia hoax.

Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.

Uh, giving random aids and IT consultants immunity isn't all that troubling. They were effectively witnesses. HRC was not given immunity. They spent years investigating this nonsense and found basically zero.

And if they found criminal wrongdoing, here's the thing: Hillary would have been guilty of using a private email server for government email. The horror!

Meanwhile Donald Trump is using his personal cell phone to talk to his mob lawyer, which is totally fine in the Derposphere. Almost as if nobody actually cares about the central campaign issue of Email Server Management!

[dckingsfan]

All this says is that we had two terrible choices for the '16 election. @Nate - I think you have alluded to it before - Trump is narcissistic, a serial liar and corrupt but you were willing to go along because he wasn't Hillary.

Hoping he goes in '20 - regardless if it comes from the Rs or Ds.

[dckingsfan]

Fact Check

violent death rates per 100,000

France - .92

United States 5.53

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[nate33]

Fact Check

violent death rates per 100,000

France - .92

United States 5.53

Read on Twitter

"Violent Death Rates" seems like an oddly worded category designed specifically to make the U.S. look bad. It probably includes automobile accidents or suicides or something.

The 2015 United Nations data on Wikipedia has the U.S with a homicide rate of 4.88, and France with 1.58.

[Pointgod]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior. YOU GUYS are not posting nor arguing in good faith by not acknowledging that.

If you gave me carte blanche to investigate anyone (AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM INCLUDING THEIR LAWYERS) I would find crimes. FACT. There is no way that minimally technicalities would not be broken. By the people around you let alone you. Or HRC-weiner, Huma, Comey, Lynch, Mccabe, etc etc. We would find crimes. And then if I offered immunity to those around who we found crimes, and they sing (rather compose) a criminal narrative around you. I could do it. And I could do it for every single human being on palnet earth. There is no human being on planet that i could not entrap with carte blanche investigatory power. And clearly that includes trump. And I said that 1 year ago. But this is NOT justice. This is not how our justice system is suppose to work. This is gestapo tactics. "Show me the man and I will show you the crime."

bro, HRC's entire team was offered IMMUNITY PRIOR TO QUESTIONING!!!!!!!! Those that deleted the emails, acid washed the drives, and broke their balckberries with hammers all had immunity prior to questioning. and most if not every single one of them was NOT QUESTIONED UNDER OATH.

The email investigation was entirely swept under the rug by and HRC friendly DOJ led by Lynch at first then Comey who had their jobs on the line in an election year. They were certain HRC would win. Comey even said so. His only chance of keeping his job was NOT indicting HRC and he pretty much came right out an said so during his various book publicity engagements.

compare this with trump. starting with flynn. he didn't even know he was being "questioned." They sandbagged him. Just to start this entire russia hoax.

Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.

Uh, giving random aids and IT consultants immunity isn't all that troubling. They were effectively witnesses. HRC was not given immunity. They spent years investigating this nonsense and found basically zero.

And if they found criminal wrongdoing, here's the thing: Hillary would have been guilty of using a private email server for government email. The horror!

Meanwhile Donald Trump is using his personal cell phone to talk to his mob lawyer, which is totally fine in the Derposphere. Almost as if nobody actually cares about the central campaign issue of Email Server Management!

Even more astonishing is that multiple members of Trumps cabinet have been using private servers or setting up non government channels. silence from the right wing dipshits.

[closg00]

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Lying for Trump just isn't worth it.

[dckingsfan]

Fact Check

violent death rates per 100,000

France - .92

United States 5.53

Read on Twitter

"Violent Death Rates" seems like an oddly worded category designed specifically to make the U.S. look bad. It probably includes automobile accidents or suicides or something.

The 2015 United Nations data on Wikipedia has the U.S with a homicide rate of 4.88, and France with 1.58.

Okay - we will take yours -- Same approximate result

[nate33]

Fact Check

violent death rates per 100,000

France - .92

United States 5.53

"Violent Death Rates" seems like an oddly worded category designed specifically to make the U.S. look bad. It probably includes automobile accidents or suicides or something.

The 2015 United Nations data on Wikipedia has the U.S with a homicide rate of 4.88, and France with 1.58.

Okay - we will take yours -- Same approximate result

Well, it's a 3:1 ratio instead of a 6:1 ratio.

[FAH1223]

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[dckingsfan]

"Violent Death Rates" seems like an oddly worded category designed specifically to make the U.S. look bad. It probably includes automobile accidents or suicides or something.

The 2015 United Nations data on Wikipedia has the U.S with a homicide rate of 4.88, and France with 1.58.

Okay - we will take yours -- Same approximate result

Well, it's a 3:1 ratio instead of a 6:1 ratio.

Fair enough - but the initial point was - look what happens when Muslims overrun your country

Point refuted...

[stilldropin20]

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all of this is correct except 2 things.

1. its not racist... and the black and brown working class is getting on board the Trump train too.
2. its not anti-foreigner. Its pro-american worker and anti-terrorist.

These 2 lies aside, this Trump momentum within the american working class has been clear and evident since day one. IMO, the Trump goals are also as clear:

1. Fix our nation on the (global manufacturing and trade scale) from a position of strength where "america" gets what it wants and needs first and foremost. which Trump speaks often and clearly.
2. Repair and heal the Nation within by tackling issues like Opiods. Unemployment. low/stagnant wages. Inner city/small town poor and working poor non participation in labor and reliance on entitlements. The Trump platform is attemtping to heal the american individual by getting the individual back on a healthier basic lifestyle of an honest days work for and honest days pay.

That's the basic value system of Trump. AND IT RESONATES.

By the way, ive been saying all of this that this "journalist" is just now (discovering?) for over a year. This Trump thing is real. and its only now just starting to get its sea legs and learn how to move government. and for everyone like me that sees trump movement for the amazing stuff it is trying to accomplish, we see Mueller, Avanatti, and CNN and all the liberals that carry water for them as nothing more than. in. the. way.

[stilldropin20]

Okay - we will take yours -- Same approximate result

Well, it's a 3:1 ratio instead of a 6:1 ratio.

Fair enough - but the initial point was - look what happens when Muslims overrun your country

Point refuted...

murder ratios and rates dont matter. DCkings is missing the point altogether. The point is that it appears trump's instincts were right again. Its not about how few murders that refugees with hardline islamic backgrounds commit. Its the fact that one murder is one too many. And the rest of Europe seems to be learning from Trump.

The smarter thing to do is to set up humane and well protected refugee camps near their homelands.

[nate33]

Okay - we will take yours -- Same approximate result

Well, it's a 3:1 ratio instead of a 6:1 ratio.

Fair enough - but the initial point was - look what happens when Muslims overrun your country

Point refuted...

Not really. We both know that America's higher overall homicide rate has nothing to to with Muslims or lack thereof. If you want to determine if Muslim immigration causes more violent deaths, you should compare France to a similar European country, but one that is not admitting in a lot of Muslims, and see how their respective murder rates have changed over the past decade or so.

I haven't found the data on this, at least not in English. There have been no terrorist attacks in Poland, though.

[dckingsfan]

Well, it's a 3:1 ratio instead of a 6:1 ratio.

Fair enough - but the initial point was - look what happens when Muslims overrun your country

Point refuted...

murder ratios and rates dont matter. DCkings is missing the point altogether. The point is that it appears trump's instincts were right again. Its not about how few murders that refugees with hardline islamic backgrounds commit. Its the fact that one murder is one too many. And the rest of Europe seems to be learning from Trump.

The smarter thing to do is to set up humane and well protected refugee camps near their homelands.

No - Trump missed the point. Take a look at the figures I posted earlier on falling civilian labor force participation - cutting off a source of growth and destabilizing revenues for the long-term. He is lumping those from Africa, Asia, South America together. Instead of solving the problem and increasing the number of educated immigrants - he kicked the ball down the field. Better to go golfing than actually to get something done. At least he won't have to worry about that after November - then he REALLY won't be able to get anything done.

And those refugees do commit less murders per 100K than do Americans - doh!

So, if you are going to use the "Its the fact that one murder is one too many." argument, then check your logic because that would then posit for 1) for gun control or 2) removing the entire population from North America (as one murder is too many and we can't take a chance).

[dckingsfan]

1. Fix our nation on the (global manufacturing and trade scale) from a position of strength where "america" gets what it wants and needs first and foremost. which Trump speaks often and clearly.
2. Repair and heal the Nation within by tackling issues like Opiods. Unemployment. low/stagnant wages. Inner city/small town poor and working poor non participation in labor and reliance on entitlements. The Trump platform is attemtping to heal the american individual by getting the individual back on a healthier basic lifestyle of an honest days work for and honest days pay.

1) We want to push for an increasing share of a shrinking pool - might be a good short-term strategy but not a good long-term one.

2a) Opioids - nope - nothing done.
2b) Stagnant wages - nope - nothing done.
2c) Healthier basic lifestyle - you mean like Trump? There has been nothing done on this front either.
2d) Reliance on entitlements and greater labor force participation - 2a wasn't tackled - incarceration rates weren't tackled - I have a very healthy skepticism on this one.

2) Basically, promises, promises with smoke and mirrors. And like previous administrations - kicking the ball down the field.

[Zonkerbl]

If we had the data I think it would show that there is a lot of radical Islamic terrorism or whatever you want to call it in France. It's much easier to get into France than into the United States. We're able to keep out the terrorists and France cannot.

It is interesting that instead of firing a pair of AR-15s into the crowd and killing 44 people, the terrorist ran around knifing people and only managed to kill one person. Awful and terrifying nevertheless, but the reason why the homicide rate in France is so much lower than in the United States, despite having a lot more radicalized Islamic terrorists, is because it is much much easier to kill people in the United States because we have so many guns.

Not that I'm advocating we try to emulate France in any way, shape or form. France sucked before the terrorists decided to start targeting it, and it's turning into a police state now. Thank god for Obama's extremely effective immigration and refugee vetting process that has prevented Islamic terrorists from coming here. The only ones we have are homegrown citizens who become radicalized over the internet.

Now if we could only convince our courts that the right to own a gun stops where other people's right to live is, we could do something about our *real* problem.

[JWizmentality]

guys, if you witch hunt anyone, you will find criminal behavior. YOU GUYS are not posting nor arguing in good faith by not acknowledging that.

If you gave me carte blanche to investigate anyone (AND EVERYONE AROUND THEM INCLUDING THEIR LAWYERS) I would find crimes. FACT. There is no way that minimally technicalities would not be broken. By the people around you let alone you. Or HRC-weiner, Huma, Comey, Lynch, Mccabe, etc etc. We would find crimes. And then if I offered immunity to those around who we found crimes, and they sing (rather compose) a criminal narrative around you. I could do it. And I could do it for every single human being on palnet earth. There is no human being on planet that i could not entrap with carte blanche investigatory power. And clearly that includes trump. And I said that 1 year ago. But this is NOT justice. This is not how our justice system is suppose to work. This is gestapo tactics. "Show me the man and I will show you the crime."

bro, HRC's entire team was offered IMMUNITY PRIOR TO QUESTIONING!!!!!!!! Those that deleted the emails, acid washed the drives, and broke their balckberries with hammers all had immunity prior to questioning. and most if not every single one of them was NOT QUESTIONED UNDER OATH.

The email investigation was entirely swept under the rug by and HRC friendly DOJ led by Lynch at first then Comey who had their jobs on the line in an election year. They were certain HRC would win. Comey even said so. His only chance of keeping his job was NOT indicting HRC and he pretty much came right out an said so during his various book publicity engagements.

compare this with trump. starting with flynn. he didn't even know he was being "questioned." They sandbagged him. Just to start this entire russia hoax.

Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.

Well there’s a convincing argument. SD20 says so! It must be true!

Nate, I believe trump must be impeached because a raving homeless guy told me so! What’s your response to that? Huh? HUH?!?

This is pointless. Can't have an honest discussion if the counterpunch is always but Hiliary. It's pathetic. Who wants to go down the list of things to ask nate if he's "troubled by?" I would but my week is booked.

[dckingsfan]

If we had the data I think it would show that there is a lot of radical Islamic terrorism or whatever you want to call it in France. It's much easier to get into France than into the United States. We're able to keep out the terrorists and France cannot.

Two of them in '18. Five total deaths... is that even a blip on the radar? Is that worth holding the economy hostage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

[Zonkerbl]

Guys, these two quotes by SD20 are absolutely on the money. He is right and you guys are completely biased and oblivious if you don't see this. Trump has the entire DC bureaucracy, the media, the Mueller investigation and even a portion of his own party in Congress working to undermine him. Obama and Clinton had them all on their side. Comparing the scrutiny each has had to bear is absurd. It's apples and oranges.

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning? This doesn't concern you? Meanwhile, you are prepared to impeach Trump because he fired Comey, a man who lied to Trump's face about whether he was under investigation and a man who likely lied under oath when he said he never authorized any leaking.

Well there’s a convincing argument. SD20 says so! It must be true!

Nate, I believe trump must be impeached because a raving homeless guy told me so! What’s your response to that? Huh? HUH?!?

This is pointless. Can't have an honest discussion if the counterpunch is always but Hiliary. It's pathetic. Who wants to go down the list of things to ask nate if he's "troubled by?" I would but my week is booked.

I think if you're going to haul out the same bs argument that doesn't convince anybody over and over again, it's clear you have no desire or expectation to be taken seriously by anyone who is not already wearing the brown shirt. It's just performance art at this point, evidence you can point to when the fascists take over - "see! I was loyal! Put me in charge of one of the camps!"

The only appropriate response to such an argument is mockery.