Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[9 and 20]

Dinwiddie for Simmons kind of makes sense. Wiz want to make it work with Beal, apparently, so this might be a solid way forward. Kind of works for Philly, too, I think.

Simmons and Kuzma on the same team will increase our Kardashian rate significantly. Might need to ship Kuzma out in this scenario. Too many Kardashians in DC can't be good.

I don't think I want Kyrie. Simmons would be a big risk, but Kyrie is like some kind of Omicron/Delta/Bird flu level risk. Like Ron Artest-level. Talented, but...

[nate33]

Dinwiddie needs to wake up and start playing for either Dinwiddie for Simmons or a Dinwiddie for Kyrie trade to have any legs whatsoever.

[queridiculo]

Dinwiddie needs to wake up and start playing for either Dinwiddie for Simmons or a Dinwiddie for Kyrie trade to have any legs whatsoever.

Not a chance in hell that Dinwiddie will ever fetch Simmons or Kyrie unless you're willing to include Beal or a ridiculous number of first round picks.

[Ruzious]

Well, think of it this way before thinking rebuild - we're 14-10 now - with our backcourt playing awfully. The backcourt can get dramatically better with 3 reasonable things happening:
1. Beal becomes the player he was last season.
2. With Dinwiddie, it takes time to get back to what you used to be returning from an ACL tear - and then he had symptomatic COVID. He's not his old self yet but could very well be in the 2nd half of the season.
3. Trade for a good offfensive 3rd guard.

[Ruzious]

Dinwiddie needs to wake up and start playing for either Dinwiddie for Simmons or a Dinwiddie for Kyrie trade to have any legs whatsoever.

Not a chance in hell that Dinwiddie will ever fetch Simmons or Kyrie unless you're willing to include Beal or a ridiculous number of first round picks.

Especially with us getting off to a good start - Brooklyn and Philly aren't going to want to arm us against them unless they get a great deal.

[9 and 20]

Nobody is giving up lots of first rounders for Kyrie, unless they're attached to a boat anchor contract. The guy is two steps from retiring and becoming a ballerina and/or moving to Russia to wrestle bears.

[gambitx777]

Bertans, some far off second/s and cash for kemba and knoxx. You have to cut someone but we get some room between the tax ,we have several 1 year deals who could get the axe to make room for knoxx. Such as Gill Nato or holiday.personally in this situation I would wanna keep knoxx he's 22, has he been good, nope but take a flyer on him and see. We have decent luck with cast aways. I would cut gill. Let ke ba play off the bench and see if we can get a spark plug effect off of him. If he's cooked he can bench warm here at a much lower rate than bertans.

For NYK, it gives them a potential knock down shooter on the wing which that team lacks right now and opens up a spot for then to bring in a body on the buy out market. Like a John wall, or something of that nature.

It's flipping bad situations kemba wants a chance to make the rotation, he probably can here over Nato and holiday and konx can get a fresh start. Bertans get out of a log jam and can be a prime time shooter if he gets his stuff together maybe tibbs can motivate him.

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[nate33]

I'm not saying it's time to panic and blow this thing up, but I was honestly wondering what blowing it up would look like. The team has a bunch of players with slightly positive trade value, but nobody worth a big centerpiece in a trade. The key would be to stink bad enough to land high picks. We could easily get to the 7th worst record in the league, but it will be pretty hard to fall much past that. I suppose the Spurs will keep trying for Pop's sake, so maybe 6th worst is a possibility. And New Orleans might start winning when Zion gets back so that could mean the 5th worst record. But it's hard to get below Detroit, Orlando, Houston and OKC.

Here's my stab at a blow it up plan:

Trade 1: Beal for Simmons and Maxey.
I'm afraid this is the only high talent package available for Beal at this point. Nobody is giving us an unprotected high lotto pick for him. Simmons is obviously a gamble, but he is a 3-time All-Star at the age of 25.

Trade 2: Harrell to Charlotte for Ish Smith, JT Thor and two 2nds.
Technically, they'd be giving us the New Orleans 2022 1st they're owed, but it's protected 1-14 and turns into two 2nds (2022 and 2024) unless New Orleans makes the playoffs this year. We do this mostly to start the losing and to rebuild our 2nd round pick stockpile. And I don't see us resigning Harrell after Beal is traded. Better to go with Bryant as our offense-minded center since he is younger and meshes better with Simmons. Another option would be to try and trade Harrell for Ish Smith and Bouknight, but I'm assuming Charlotte still values their lotto pick more than that, even if he isn't playing this season.

Trade 3: Kuzma to Boston for Josh Richardson and two 2nds
I'd be going for the 2022 Houston 2nd they have, plus the Boston 2022 2nd. I'm not sure if the upgrade from Richardson to Kuzma is enough to extract two picks though.

That leaves us with the following lineup:
PG Simmons/Holiday
SG Dinwiddie/Maxey/Richardson
SF KCP/Bertans/Kispert
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Bryant/Gafford

I'd be pretty intrigued by a 5-man positionless lineup of: Simmons, KCP, Bertans, Avdija and Hachimura.

One problem with this plan is I think we're still too good to truly tank. We'd miss the playoffs and finish with the 9th pick or so, but there's no chance for Chet Holmgren. To truly tank, we'd need to trade Beal for picks, not Simmons. But no team with high picks wants Beal.

[GoneShammGone]

Nobody is giving up lots of first rounders for Kyrie, unless they're attached to a boat anchor contract. The guy is two steps from retiring and becoming a ballerina and/or moving to Russia to wrestle bears.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm not saying it's time to panic and blow this thing up, but I was honestly wondering what blowing it up would look like. The team has a bunch of players with slightly positive trade value, but nobody worth a big centerpiece in a trade. The key would be to stink bad enough to land high picks. We could easily get to the 7th worst record in the league, but it will be pretty hard to fall much past that. I suppose the Spurs will keep trying for Pop's sake, so maybe 6th worst is a possibility. And New Orleans might start winning when Zion gets back so that could mean the 5th worst record. But it's hard to get below Detroit, Orlando, Houston and OKC.

Here's my stab at a blow it up plan:

Trade 1: Beal for Simmons and Maxey.
I'm afraid this is the only high talent package available for Beal at this point. Nobody is giving us an unprotected high lotto pick for him. Simmons is obviously a gamble, but he is a 3-time All-Star at the age of 25.

Trade 2: Harrell to Charlotte for Ish Smith, JT Thor and two 2nds.
Technically, they'd be giving us the New Orleans 2022 1st they're owed, but it's protected 1-14 and turns into two 2nds (2022 and 2024) unless New Orleans makes the playoffs this year. We do this mostly to start the losing and to rebuild our 2nd round pick stockpile. And I don't see us resigning Harrell after Beal is traded. Better to go with Bryant as our offense-minded center since he is younger and meshes better with Simmons. Another option would be to try and trade Harrell for Ish Smith and Bouknight, but I'm assuming Charlotte still values their lotto pick more than that, even if he isn't playing this season.

Trade 3: Kuzma to Boston for Josh Richardson and two 2nds
I'd be going for the 2022 Houston 2nd they have, plus the Boston 2022 2nd. I'm not sure if the upgrade from Richardson to Kuzma is enough to extract two picks though.

That leaves us with the following lineup:
PG Simmons/Holiday
SG Dinwiddie/Maxey/Richardson
SF KCP/Bertans/Kispert
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Bryant/Gafford

I'd be pretty intrigued by a 5-man positionless lineup of: Simmons, KCP, Bertans, Avdija and Hachimura.

One problem with this plan is I think we're still too good to truly tank. We'd miss the playoffs and finish with the 9th pick or so, but there's no chance for Chet Holmgren. To truly tank, we'd need to trade Beal for picks, not Simmons. But no team with high picks wants Beal.

We'd play better without Beal.

[gambitx777]

I'm not saying it's time to panic and blow this thing up, but I was honestly wondering what blowing it up would look like. The team has a bunch of players with slightly positive trade value, but nobody worth a big centerpiece in a trade. The key would be to stink bad enough to land high picks. We could easily get to the 7th worst record in the league, but it will be pretty hard to fall much past that. I suppose the Spurs will keep trying for Pop's sake, so maybe 6th worst is a possibility. And New Orleans might start winning when Zion gets back so that could mean the 5th worst record. But it's hard to get below Detroit, Orlando, Houston and OKC.

Here's my stab at a blow it up plan:

Trade 1: Beal for Simmons and Maxey.
I'm afraid this is the only high talent package available for Beal at this point. Nobody is giving us an unprotected high lotto pick for him. Simmons is obviously a gamble, but he is a 3-time All-Star at the age of 25.

Trade 2: Harrell to Charlotte for Ish Smith, JT Thor and two 2nds.
Technically, they'd be giving us the New Orleans 2022 1st they're owed, but it's protected 1-14 and turns into two 2nds (2022 and 2024) unless New Orleans makes the playoffs this year. We do this mostly to start the losing and to rebuild our 2nd round pick stockpile. And I don't see us resigning Harrell after Beal is traded. Better to go with Bryant as our offense-minded center since he is younger and meshes better with Simmons. Another option would be to try and trade Harrell for Ish Smith and Bouknight, but I'm assuming Charlotte still values their lotto pick more than that, even if he isn't playing this season.

Trade 3: Kuzma to Boston for Josh Richardson and two 2nds
I'd be going for the 2022 Houston 2nd they have, plus the Boston 2022 2nd. I'm not sure if the upgrade from Richardson to Kuzma is enough to extract two picks though.

That leaves us with the following lineup:
PG Simmons/Holiday
SG Dinwiddie/Maxey/Richardson
SF KCP/Bertans/Kispert
PF Hachimura/Avdija
C Bryant/Gafford

I'd be pretty intrigued by a 5-man positionless lineup of: Simmons, KCP, Bertans, Avdija and Hachimura.

One problem with this plan is I think we're still too good to truly tank. We'd miss the playoffs and finish with the 9th pick or so, but there's no chance for Chet Holmgren. To truly tank, we'd need to trade Beal for picks, not Simmons. But no team with high picks wants Beal.

I will spare the speech about Simmons every one's heard it a million times. But if blowing it up is the goal . I would want to work a three way with Philly sending Simmons else where. I feel there are probably plenty of good rebuild type packages for Simmons out there but that's not what Philly wants. We can send Beal to Philly and Simmons out where and take the assets.

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[closg00]

Fire Sale over at the Pacers shop

[Frichuela]

Fire Sale over at the Pacers shop

Indeed. Two issues:

1) Who would we like of Turner, Sabonis or Levert?

2) what can we offer Indiana? Let's say we zero into Turner, who has 1.5 years left at $18mn/year. Turner offers first class rim protection and good floor spacing (40% from 3 on 4.6 attempts). Would something like Harrell+Rui be enough? They would need to see Rui play for at least 5-10 games at a good level. Pretty tight ahead of the trade deadline...PS: I would not part ways with Deni.

[Ruzious]

Fire Sale over at the Pacers shop

It'd be nice to get Brogdon to upgrade over Dinwiddie - though we probably don't have the ammo (without Beal) to make it happen at this point. He's another 28 year old - until Saturday. We have no need for Turner, and Sabonis is no better a fit here than he is there. Lavert is too injury-prone to count on.

[gambitx777]

I don't know if we have the ammo for anyone on Indiana with out some shananagans. I'd love to make a play for brogdon or sabonis .

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[Ruzious]

Fire Sale over at the Pacers shop

Indeed. Two issues:

1) Who would we like of Turner, Sabonis or Levert?

2) what can we offer Indiana? Let's say we zero into Turner, who has 1.5 years left at $18mn/year. Turner offers first class rim protection and good floor spacing (40% from 3 on 4.6 attempts). Would something like Harrell+Rui be enough? They would need to see Rui play for at least 5-10 games at a good level. Pretty tight ahead of the trade deadline...PS: I would not part ways with Deni.

I doubt they'd want a center back for Turner, because they already have trouble getting PT for Goga and Jackson. And presumably, they'd be looking for younger players.

[Frichuela]

Fire Sale over at the Pacers shop

It'd be nice to get Brogdon to upgrade over Dinwiddie - though we probably don't have the ammo (without Beal) to make it happen at this point. He's another 28 year old - until Saturday. We have no need for Turner, and Sabonis is no better a fit here than he is there. Lavert is too injury-prone to count on.

I like Brogdon. However, and per Danny Leroux @ the Athletic: "Brogdon and the Pacers agreed to an extension in-season that prevents him from being traded at or before the deadline due to the “extend-and-trade” rules in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. As such, he cannot change teams until the 2022 offseason at the earliest.".

[Frichuela]

Fire Sale over at the Pacers shop

Indeed. Two issues:

1) Who would we like of Turner, Sabonis or Levert?

2) what can we offer Indiana? Let's say we zero into Turner, who has 1.5 years left at $18mn/year. Turner offers first class rim protection and good floor spacing (40% from 3 on 4.6 attempts). Would something like Harrell+Rui be enough? They would need to see Rui play for at least 5-10 games at a good level. Pretty tight ahead of the trade deadline...PS: I would not part ways with Deni.

I doubt they'd want a center back for Turner, because they already have trouble getting PT for Goga and Jackson. And presumably, they'd be looking for younger players.

Good point. Then it's either Kuzma+Rui for Turner or we would have to involve a 3rd team that takes Harrell.

[closg00]

What a shame the Bertans is a toilet player, Indiana would love a "Good" Bertans on their re-build team.

[nate33]

The problem is that Indy is in the same boat as us. They're are a mediocre team who needs to reload around a younger core. That means they're looking to trade veterans for young picks/prospects. It makes them a lousy trade partner.

Indy needs to find a team who is on the verge of jumping from being a young upcoming team to being a regular winning franchise. Those are the teams that might have a few excess young players/picks to trade while they're are in need of a few stabilizing vets in the prime of their career. Indy should be looking to trade with teams like Charlotte, Boston, Atlanta and Memphis. Not us.