2024 Draft Thread - Part III

[wewillnevertank]

Not relevant at all to the post, but you might want to change your username lol

I think of it as something of a time capsule these days. A memento of mid, if you will.

[NatP4]

My most optimistic spin is maybe Deni requested a trade and Kuzma just has no real value league wide. Possible to still flip Brogdon for another pick.

Maybe Carrington and Kyshawn George have Dejounte Murray/Cam Johnson top end outcomes.

Atleast the FO has a clear direction, and Sarr was a great pick to pair with Bilal. Could’ve ended up with Risacher….

[dobrojim]

^ I wouldn't be surprised if Kuz and Brogdon are both gone by the trade deadline.
How much we get for either of them is an open question but even though the
stats say Kuz is a below average player, someone will trade for him.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

My most optimistic spin is maybe Deni requested a trade and Kuzma just has no real value league wide. Possible to still flip Brogdon for another pick.

Maybe Carrington and Kyshawn George have Dejounte Murray/Cam Johnson top end outcomes.

Atleast the FO has a clear direction, and Sarr was a great pick to pair with Bilal. Could’ve ended up with Risacher….

If he requested a trade then I'll eat crow a bit. But let's even go there, that doesn't mean Dawkins has to oblige and trade him for whatever scraps he can find. Deni is under a brand new contract, find it hard to believe that he would have had 1) asked for trade and 2) has any leverage to do so.

So even if a trade request was the case, Dawkins still can't manage assets.

Speaking to Sarr he was a consensus there. I don't give a lot of credit for making consensus picks in a draft.

[Rafael122]

Murmurs on the Twitterverse that Dawkins tried to trade Kuzma and 26 for 13. This would have been in addition to the Deni trade, so the draft would have been 2, 13 and 14.

[wewillnevertank]

Bub having playing on Melo's AAU team is kind of a kiss of death for me, but what do I know.

Him being Rudy Gay's cousin counteracts that IMO.

[BMagic]

Long time lurker and Wizards fan. Will Dawkins'/the FO's draft philosophy is becoming clearer. They are seeking out guys who have had significant growth spurts, but started as guards. Typically this archetype develops their handle and feel for the game since they have to navigate taller players early on and then retain those skills as they grow. Anthony Davis is the best example of it working out. Not saying any of these guys are AD of course, but I see the vision.

I preferred Dadiet to George, but George was also on my wishlist. I then learned George grew from 5'10 to 6'8ish in a span of 3 years. Sarr and Bilal also had significant growth spurts. This is definitely resembling the OKC model of having positional size mixed with a high 'feel for the game' and multiple players with guard skills/handles to navigate the court. Having multiple ball-handlers is hell on a defense. The Celtics just showed how valuable it is to have.

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[80sballboy]

Or toughness. Statistically the guys they picked are soft as baby dumplings. I mean Carrington rebounds well for a PG. But he can't finish on the interior. Sarr is noted for being weak on the inside. Not great hands. No ferocity in rebounding. Poor % at the rim. And KGeorge is literally soft. Like doughy. In addition to rebounding poorly for a forward. And can't score at the rim. One thing consistent is that all of these guys tend to pass INSTEAD of attacking the interior. So it looks like they are team players who like to share the rock, when it's probably just that they're scared of contact. None of these guys rank high on FT attempts for their position.

I disagree with you about Bub. He's a baby faced 18 yr old...but he's B'More tough. Those rebounding numbers show that he's not afraid to battle with bigger men...as I'm sure he did on the playgrounds of Charm City.

Carrington grew something like 6 or 7 inches in the last couple of years. Once he realizes that his new superpower is his height and length--and he gets physically stronger--Bub will have no problem using his crafty ballhandling to get to the rim and FT line.

He struggled to finish at 18 in the ACC. Of course, he'll struggle at 19 in his first season, but he needs about 10-15 pounds of muscle, like all the draft picks and that attribute should improve in his game. Let's not forget that Deni couldn't finish worth a sh-t in his first couple of seasons and got stronger. I'll miss the fact that he was a downhill guy and we don't have that guy NOW (next season will be different). I think Bub will develop that part of his game or he will be left by the wayside. He's a smart player so I don't see how he won't work on his weaknesses and will be a key cog in a couple of seasons. (not sure about K. George though).

[badinage]

^ I wouldn't be surprised if Kuz and Brogdon are both gone by the trade deadline.
How much we get for either of them is an open question but even though the
stats say Kuz is a below average player, someone will trade for him.

Again, none of this makes any sense.

If, as Aldridge reported, Deni was too good for a team that wants to win, like, 8 games, then why would we hold onto Kuzma and Brogdon? Why would we not ship them out this week?

It can't be in order to build their value, or to wait for the right time, because we've seen that they don't really care about trying to maximize value in a trade.

So, just do it. Out the door. Four second-rounders, whatever, a few ham sandwiches, who cares, but: just do it. Get them out of here.

If Dawkins or Winger ever, EVER, utters the word "veteran leadership in the lockerroom," I am done with this team.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Murmurs on the Twitterverse that Dawkins tried to trade Kuzma and 26 for 13. This would have been in addition to the Deni trade, so the draft would have been 2, 13 and 14.

So we still have folks believing Kuzma is going to net us something special when we couldn't even attach a 1st rounder to him to a team that had a need in a terrible draft? I bet you Dawkins may have even tried getting Deni to Sac and Kuzma to POR but even POR wasn't that dumb.

Keeping dreaming, folks.

[Pistol King]

Guys, I don't see a slightest chance he asked a trade.

I've seen an interview of him two weeks ago in Israel, he talked about the Wizards like he's preparing to stay here for the rest of his career (talked about how he dreams about doing a process in the Wizards similar to OKC).

Also if you remember, before the season ended, Eva Wallace has interviewed him, and when he was asked about his long term goals, he pointed out the wall and said "I want to be in this wall of Wizards HOF names". He seemed attached to the franchise. He could be THE player of the franchise next season. No reason to believe he wanted out.

[badinage]

Long time lurker and Wizards fan. Will Dawkins'/the FO's draft philosophy is becoming clearer. They are seeking out guys who have had significant growth spurts, but started as guards. Typically this archetype develops their handle and feel for the game since they have to navigate taller players early on and then retain those skills as they grow. Anthony Davis is the best example of it working out. Not saying any of these guys are AD of course, but I see the vision.

I preferred Dadiet to George, but George was also on my wishlist. I then learned George grew from 5'10 to 6'8ish in a span of 3 years. Sarr and Bilal also had significant growth spurts. This is definitely resembling the OKC model of having positional size mixed with a high 'feel for the game' and multiple players with guard skills/handles to navigate the court. Having multiple ball-handlers is hell on a defense. The Celtics just showed how valuable it is to have.

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Interesting. And I like your analysis.

Of course, there was a ball-handler on the roster, with positional size and feel for the game, and the ability to navigate the court -- and they shipped him out for peanuts.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

^ I wouldn't be surprised if Kuz and Brogdon are both gone by the trade deadline.
How much we get for either of them is an open question but even though the
stats say Kuz is a below average player, someone will trade for him.

Again, none of this makes any sense.

If, as Aldridge reported, Deni was too good for a team that wants to win, like, 8 games, then why would we hold onto Kuzma and Brogdon? Why would we not ship them out this week?

It can't be in order to build their value, or to wait for the right time, because we've seen that they don't really care about trying to maximize value in a trade.

So, just do it. Out the door. Four second-rounders, whatever, a few ham sandwiches, who cares, but: just do it. Get them out of here.

If Dawkins or Winger ever, EVER, utters the word "veteran leadership in the lockerroom," I am done with this team.

"Veteran leadership" and "active in the community" coming soon.

[badinage]

Murmurs on the Twitterverse that Dawkins tried to trade Kuzma and 26 for 13. This would have been in addition to the Deni trade, so the draft would have been 2, 13 and 14.

Not buying it.

Kuzma AND 26, and they were unable to snag 13 (???) in an historically weak draft?

[closg00]

Do they have #44 overall today?

No picks today unless they acquire one. I doubt they will given they drafted three guys yesterday.

They acquired two 2nds from Portland. Tankathon is showing Washington at 44.

The 2nd round picks are in 28 & 30

[BMagic]

Long time lurker and Wizards fan. Will Dawkins'/the FO's draft philosophy is becoming clearer. They are seeking out guys who have had significant growth spurts, but started as guards. Typically this archetype develops their handle and feel for the game since they have to navigate taller players early on and then retain those skills as they grow. Anthony Davis is the best example of it working out. Not saying any of these guys are AD of course, but I see the vision.

I preferred Dadiet to George, but George was also on my wishlist. I then learned George grew from 5'10 to 6'8ish in a span of 3 years. Sarr and Bilal also had significant growth spurts. This is definitely resembling the OKC model of having positional size mixed with a high 'feel for the game' and multiple players with guard skills/handles to navigate the court. Having multiple ball-handlers is hell on a defense. The Celtics just showed how valuable it is to have.

Read on Twitter

Interesting. And I like your analysis.

Of course, there was a ball-handler on the roster, with positional size and feel for the game, and the ability to navigate the court -- and they shipped him out for peanuts.

I know! The only way I can rationalize it is Bub must have really blew them away in his workout and gave them shades of SGA and that they could not work out a deal with the Kings centered around Kuz and the 13th pick. This regime didn't draft Deni and they may be banking on a core of 19-20 year olds all hitting their stride together. Deni would have been 27ish when these guys likely figure things out, which still fit the timeline IMO. It for sure stings to watch a player develop, then trade him as he starts to ascend.

[payitforward]

what did we give to move up to 24 for george? Wait -- I looked it up (duh). We gave 51.

Do we have a R2 pick at 44 somehow? How?

[NatP4]

what did we give to move up to 24 for george?

51

[tontoz]

Do they have #44 overall today?

No picks today unless they acquire one. I doubt they will given they drafted three guys yesterday.

They acquired two 2nds from Portland. Tankathon is showing Washington at 44.

tankathon is also showing that the 44th pick came from GS. Not sure when, or if, that deal happened.

[Menace2Sobriety]

Chris Paul?