JaVale McGee

BRIGGS · Post #521 » by **BRIGGS** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:09 pm

I'm a mcgee fan--I believe he has very high potential in this league. At Nevada he showed different skills that he has shown here. He showed how to seal off his man in the post and score with very high % shots among other moves. It's great that he can alley oop the ball--but since I have watched him with the Wizards--it seems to me he is playing using his athleticism more than his skills.

Number 1. I will absolutely agree that Javale should play 20 -25 minutes but at this point there should be NO way he should be starting. This could hinder development rather than enhance it--he's not ready to start NBA basketball.

Number 2 It's going to take 2 full years of training his body during and post season to get to what he will be--that also holds the same with skills. Keep him away from his mother and have a brick and mortar old school C help him with his skill sets

So I think let him come in off the bench against second line players and give him a consistent 20 minutes. Make sure he stays with his man instead of looking for blocks. Let him fill out with weight lifting and get a good older NBA C to train him for the next two years--then you will have an all star caliber player. If not you have Dan Gadzuric part 2.

hands11 · Post #522 » by **hands11** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 1:13 pm

How much is Haywood working with our big ?

Post #523 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 2:34 pm

hands11 wrote:How much is Haywood working with our big ?

That's a good question. I keep thinking he's out of the picture because he's injured, but he only injured his wrist. There's no reason why he can't put a cast on and then get out on the floor and participate in walk-through drills and serve as an additional coach. (Indeed, he is probably doing just that.)

Heck, he should be working hard on that left-handed jump hook. A broken right wrist isn't a problem, it's an opportunity. I broke my right hand in 6th grade and developed my left hand so much that I'm almost ambidextrous on the basketball court.

dobrojim · Post #524 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:09 pm

no one in the media has mentioned this so I'm totally speculating

Haywood has been MIA as far as showing up at games. My bet is that for the
moment, and with the team's blessing, he's at home back in Charlotte(?).
If the Wiz mgmt thought he could help McGee, they'd probably ask him to
get himself back to DC.

Post #525 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:12 pm

Haywood is MIA?

I can't catch all the games but I thought I remembered seeing him on the bench a few times. Maybe he was allowed to go home for the holidays.

dobrojim · Post #526 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:30 pm

I don't recall seeing him even once this season. And he's pretty hard to miss

since nothing has been said in the media, I assumed it was with the team's
blessings.

pancakes3 · Post #527 » by **pancakes3** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:42 pm

Yeah, i definitely remember seeing 'Wood on TV a few times and noting that he wasn't sitting next to Gil for some of them. I definitely agree with the lefty-hook opportunity. It's not that much to ask to put in 1000 lefty hooks every day.

doclinkin · Post #528 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 6:17 pm

dobrojim wrote:no one in the media has mentioned this so I'm totally speculating

Haywood has been MIA as far as showing up at games. My bet is that for the
moment, and with the team's blessing, he's at home back in Charlotte(?).

If so it's no big deal way I see it. Haywood has always put in the best work offseason at his home in Carolina. Traveling with the team etc helps less than running, pool work, legwork, keeping his stamina up.

MJG · Post #529 » by **MJG** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 8:01 pm

I personally don't care much if an injured player is at the games or not, but for those that do, Haywood has been at least a few of them. And since I don't normally pay much attention to that sort of thing, I was assuming he had been attending all (or at least most) of them.

WizarDynasty · Post #530 » by **WizarDynasty** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 9:23 pm

doclinkin wrote:
dobrojim wrote:no one in the media has mentioned this so I'm totally speculating

Haywood has been MIA as far as showing up at games. My bet is that for the
moment, and with the team's blessing, he's at home back in Charlotte(?).

If so it's no big deal way I see it. Haywood has always put in the best work offseason at his home in Carolina. Traveling with the team etc helps less than running, pool work, legwork, keeping his stamina up.

Haywood does pool work...i knew there had to be a reason why he seemed to have similar stamina to Tim Duncan last year. I know that Duncan is gigantic swimmer and thats one hte best ways for a big man to develop stamina. Before last year, Haywood was a low energy player to be honest.

Donkey McDonkerton · Post #531 » by **Donkey McDonkerton** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 11:22 pm

I've seen shots of Haywood at the games, he just doesn't sit where Gil sits. He sits a row or two back...he's too tall to be there, nobody could see over him (the stats guys and such).

dobrojim · Post #532 » by **dobrojim** » Tue Dec 2, 2008 4:33 am

well maybe I have just missed him. old age got my eyes playing tricks
on me. I didn't think it was a big deal either way. I just hadn't remembered
seeing him there.

lupin · Post #533 » by **lupin** » Tue Dec 2, 2008 12:40 pm

I remember reading the news articles about ETap's first practice and there was definitely a mention of Haywood running stairs in there.

BruceO · Post #534 » by **BruceO** » Tue Dec 2, 2008 8:16 pm

They need to all do pool work. Build their stamina, muscle and cut down on their fat. you also move more fluidly. I say this because when i was taking flying lessons in kenya. I'd get home for lunch, take off and go to the pool. Swim laps in the pool for fun cause none of my friends were home yet. So i'd make sure i did my laps. Eventually it became easier. My knee was also bad then so i was getting it stronger without straining it. I weighed less but had the same mass. So after that id play absketball with friends. I was on a good knee now so I jumped higher, felt like I weighed less so got up higher. I was healthy and eating well and would punish people who's cardio wasnt as good as mine.
I also could lift weights and swim together cause the swimming helped to take away any stiffness that would come with weight lifting.
Blatche needs that ish. His cardio is questionable especially with injury after gun shot. KillMode+cheese mom did a good job as far as mcGee's physical tools other than strength.
Also these kids need to go through NLP. If the organization isn't making it available. It will get their mind right

newslowsad · Post #535 » by **newslowsad** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:18 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/r ... od=1&set=1

July 07, 2008: The D-League was made for players like McGee.

November 18, 2008: He had looked like a one-year or two-year project on draft day, but he now projects as a starter in this league.

WizarDynasty · Post #536 » by **WizarDynasty** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 6:59 am

That blatche Mcgee combo is going to be nasty!!!

...foggy...but i could have sworn i saw something that kind of 'resembled a extremely coordinated sky hook...maybe it was my imagination'

closg00 · Post #537 » by **closg00** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 1:00 pm

[quote="WizarDynasty"]That blatche Mcgee combo is going to be nasty!!!
/quote]

I'd like to see it tried more out there.

fishercob · Post #538 » by **fishercob** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 12:21 am

closg00 wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:That blatche Mcgee combo is going to be nasty!!!
/quote]

I'd like to see it tried more out there.

Hard to do with their foul proneness and limited depth at center. I suspect that the more of the game they can get through without foul trouble, the more we'll see them together.

I've been underwhelmed with McGee's rebounding. I'm sure some of that is due to his lack of physical maturity, and with time and strength he'll rebound better. But I'd really like to see him develop that thirst to get every rebound -- to go with his hunger to block every shot.

Anybody got any numbers on his college or pro rebound rates? Or his team's rebound rates with him on the floor?

Post #539 » by **nate33** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 1:27 am

fishercob wrote:
I've been underwhelmed with McGee's rebounding. I'm sure some of that is due to his lack of physical maturity, and with time and strength he'll rebound better. But I'd really like to see him develop that thirst to get every rebound -- to go with his hunger to block every shot.

Anybody got any numbers on his college or pro rebound rates? Or his team's rebound rates with him on the floor?

Actually, McGee has been quite helpful to the team on the glass. With McGee on the floor, the team's offensive rebounding rate improves from 27.4% to 34.1%. The defensive rebounding rate drops a little from 69.1% to 68.2%. Overall, the team rebound rate improves from 48.3% to 51.2%.

McGee leads the team in rebounding rate, grabbing 15.4% of the available rebounds. For reference, DMac's rebounding rate is 14.9%, Jamison's is 14.0%, Etan's is 13.7% and Blatche's is 13.0%. Songaila's is 6.7% :nonono:

Last year, Haywood's rebounding rate was 15.2% and Jamison's was 15.0%.

fishercob · Post #540 » by **fishercob** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 2:02 am

Great stuff as always, nate. Thanks.