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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#541 » by Ruzious » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:51 am

BruceO wrote:last post. ccj and i insisted about cousins and even now some people will be pissed im bringing it up again. but we did say hes the real deal. his percentages sometimes are bad but hes outplayed the best frontcourts in the nba while wall is outplayed by almost everyone. pgs are a dime a dozen. we should have tried hard for cousins. hopefully his friendship with wall and blatche plus conflict with sac brings him here. trade multiple people for him. two turkeys dont equal an eagle.

There's no point in bringing up Cousins - unless you like beating dead horses. It's a dead issue.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#542 » by BruceO » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:56 pm

everyone here is beating a dead horse because their voices are meaningless towards franchise decisions. i admit, i scouted players realized one would be great and went all out to vouch for him for the franchise sake. another selection happened, hes blowing up and im told to shut up cause it already happened. some of you are doing what i did now. it wont matter if you were right or wrong
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#543 » by Ruzious » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:35 pm

BruceO wrote:everyone here is beating a dead horse because their voices are meaningless towards franchise decisions. i admit, i scouted players realized one would be great and went all out to vouch for him for the franchise sake. another selection happened, hes blowing up and im told to shut up cause it already happened. some of you are doing what i did now. it wont matter if you were right or wrong

Huh? Earth to Bruce - I said what I said because we've beaten that issue to death.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#544 » by BruceO » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:36 pm

no we havent been talking about it. -d mention it elsewhere but theres no thread about it. all i see is people increasingly complaining about walls defense, turnovers, shot, inability to run a half court offense and our losing record. not a suprise to me because this was who he was. no one is admitting they might have been wrong they want it buried under the earth and the earth to bruce comments
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#545 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:47 pm

BruceO wrote:last post. ccj and i insisted about cousins and even now some people will be pissed im bringing it up again. but we did say hes the real deal. his percentages sometimes are bad but hes outplayed the best frontcourts in the nba while wall is outplayed by almost everyone. pgs are a dime a dozen. we should have tried hard for cousins. hopefully his friendship with wall and blatche plus conflict with sac brings him here. trade multiple people for him. two turkeys dont equal an eagle.

Nice timing:

Cousins Suspended

Though looking into the details, it looks like Cousins was suspended for fighting with his teammate regarding his late-game decision-making. At least Cousins is upset about losing.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#546 » by Ruzious » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:04 pm

BruceO wrote:no we havent been talking about it. -d mention it elsewhere but theres no thread about it. all i see is people increasingly complaining about walls defense, turnovers, shot, inability to run a half court offense and our losing record. not a suprise to me because this was who he was. no one is admitting they might have been wrong they want it buried under the earth and the earth to bruce comments

Did I name the wrong planet for you? On earth, we have actually talked quite a bit about it. There was no chance the Wiz were going to take him because of his perceived bad attitude. That's why he lasted as far as he did.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#547 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:21 pm

I'd love to call up Sacramento and offer McGee + Blatche for Cousins. We can give them the option to swap picks if they want to. It's doubtful that they'd pull the trigger, even with Cousin's attitude problems; but it's nice to dream.

Cousins may be a D-bag, but at least he's nasty and wants to win. I'd love to go into next season with a core of Wall, Young, D.Williams, Booker, Cousins. Throw in Hinrich and Lewis as "veteran mentors" and maybe blow some free agency money on a veteran defensive center. (Maybe trade the expiring contracts of Yi and Howard for Haywood.)

Our lineup next year:

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Lewis/Williams
PF Booker/Williams
C Cousins/Haywood

Nice mix of youth and vets. Everyone except Young has a high b-ball IQ. Our guards are interchangeable defensively, as are our forwards.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#548 » by Kanyewest » Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:48 pm

Cousins just got suspended for arguing with one of his teammates. Funny that the Wizards would offer two teammates who fought with each other to the Kings in return.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#549 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:23 pm

The thing go do is just send Blatche and a future first. Keep McGee--he is far more talented athletically than Blatche. Cousins is equally effective at PF next to Dalembert. I would keep McGee and Seraphin. I believe Cousins passing with a finisher like McGee would be hard to beat. DeMarcus is a smart player. I think he and Seraphin with Booker would become a very nasty frontline.

nate33 wrote:I'd love to call up Sacramento and offer McGee + Blatche for Cousins. We can give them the option to swap picks if they want to. It's doubtful that they'd pull the trigger, even with Cousin's attitude problems; but it's nice to dream.

Cousins may be a D-bag, but at least he's nasty and wants to win. I'd love to go into next season with a core of Wall, Young, D.Williams, Booker, Cousins. Throw in Hinrich and Lewis as "veteran mentors" and maybe blow some free agency money on a veteran defensive center. (Maybe trade the expiring contracts of Yi and Howard for Haywood.)

Our lineup next year:

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Lewis/Williams
PF Booker/Williams
C Cousins/Haywood

Nice mix of youth and vets. Everyone except Young has a high b-ball IQ. Our guards are interchangeable defensively, as are our forwards.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#550 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:45 pm

I don't understand the Cousins obsession. There are a lot of draft days that pain us as fans. When we know our team completely screwed the pooch. In 2005 I was infuriated when the caps were hosed at what would have been a likely top 3 pick because of the lockout, I was also aggravated when the caps, and at the same time the boulez started drafting those low ceiling, fits a role type nightmares that you just know won't make a dent in the negative future, present, and past we've all experienced. I need not mention the redskins, as we are all aware that we've specialized in this tactic, Jason Campbell and Carlos Rogers instead of Aaron Rodgers (I know Campbell was taken after Rodgers, I also know we were fixated on the mediocrity, and not on Rodgers), Laron Landry when we already had Sean Taylor instead of Adrian Peterson, or Patrick Willis, when we badly needed LB help, and he was clearly one of the best LB prospects in years. Decades of stupidity like that now litters the redskins landscape (hell, we're the only franchise on the planet that hasn't drafted and developed a franchise QB since before World War II)

Cousin's was not one of these instances. The Wizards had flushed out (in bad trades of course, the teams raison d'etre) a bad atmosphere a decade earlier, and were now in the midst of an even worse flushing involving pampered underperforming big money players and a gun controversy. In what planet in what solar system in what galaxy, in what universe was it ever going to be possible that the team right after only half-addressing these issues would draft one of the biggest "bad word of mouth" reputations in a decade or more?

It's impossible to imagine that would have ever been considered and that was quite reasonable. Cousins was not going to be drafted, no way and no how. Not with what happened in '09-'10, not with Arenas still being around, not with Blatche have as bad and possibly a worse reputation in league circles than Cousins himself, and McGee not exactly making people happy either.

No freaking chance.

As for Wall struggling against everyone. He got injured, and he's surrounded by a garbage roster, only one team in the league has a worse roster than us. There's a reason he was as highly evaluated as he was, he is special and is going to be special for us. He isn't what he is now, he is what we saw that first week, a ton of potential and a ton to learn and a ton of talent when healthy. Does Cousin have a higher ceiling? Probably. Is he probably gonna play on quite a few teams in his career? Almost certainly. Is he going to repeatedly wear out his welcome? Probably. The whole reason you guys are speculating about trading for him is for the same reason we all loved him but didnt draft him. Is it possible Sacramento is already sick of dealing with him and would deal him? Think about that for a second.

We drafted the right guy.

If we could trade for Cousins, I'd do it in a second, but I'd still rather have Wall than Cousins every day of the week and the cliche'd twice on sunday.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#551 » by mhd » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:16 am

HEADS UP!!!!!!!


Derrick Williams and Arizona on local tv on CSN at 9:00 PM tonight.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#552 » by Rafael122 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:39 am

The only team who screwed up the pooch by not drafting Cousins was Philadelphia. Wizards made the right call going with Wall. Name me a 20 year old rookie point, 1 year removed from college averaging 15 pts, 9 assists, and close to 2 steals per game? Mind you, he's missed almost 10 games, if not more.

30 teams would have taken Wall with the top pick then, and 30 teams would take them now. Cousins' suspension is just re-confirming what everyone said about him before the draft, talented but a hot head.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#553 » by tontoz » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:43 am

mhd wrote:HEADS UP!!!!!!!


Derrick Williams and Arizona on local tv on CSN at 9:00 PM tonight.



Thanks. I think i will check him out. I haven't seen him play before.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#554 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:37 am

nate33 wrote:
BruceO wrote:last post. ccj and i insisted about cousins and even now some people will be pissed im bringing it up again. but we did say hes the real deal. his percentages sometimes are bad but hes outplayed the best frontcourts in the nba while wall is outplayed by almost everyone. pgs are a dime a dozen. we should have tried hard for cousins. hopefully his friendship with wall and blatche plus conflict with sac brings him here. trade multiple people for him. two turkeys dont equal an eagle.

Nice timing:

Cousins Suspended

Though looking into the details, it looks like Cousins was suspended for fighting with his teammate regarding his late-game decision-making. At least Cousins is upset about losing.


This all sounds strangely familiar. Maybe we can send them Mitch Richmond back.

In reality, it sounds a bit like Sheed's first year here. If only Wes were Sacto's gm.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#555 » by Ruzious » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:01 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The thing go do is just send Blatche and a future first. Keep McGee--he is far more talented athletically than Blatche. Cousins is equally effective at PF next to Dalembert. I would keep McGee and Seraphin. I believe Cousins passing with a finisher like McGee would be hard to beat. DeMarcus is a smart player. I think he and Seraphin with Booker would become a very nasty frontline.

nate33 wrote:I'd love to call up Sacramento and offer McGee + Blatche for Cousins. We can give them the option to swap picks if they want to. It's doubtful that they'd pull the trigger, even with Cousin's attitude problems; but it's nice to dream.

Cousins may be a D-bag, but at least he's nasty and wants to win. I'd love to go into next season with a core of Wall, Young, D.Williams, Booker, Cousins. Throw in Hinrich and Lewis as "veteran mentors" and maybe blow some free agency money on a veteran defensive center. (Maybe trade the expiring contracts of Yi and Howard for Haywood.)

Our lineup next year:

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Lewis/Williams
PF Booker/Williams
C Cousins/Haywood

Nice mix of youth and vets. Everyone except Young has a high b-ball IQ. Our guards are interchangeable defensively, as are our forwards.

Most teams probably wouldn't touch Blatche. If you call Sacto up with that trade, they get their phone number changed so you don't call them again.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#556 » by mhd » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:47 pm

GREAT article on a scout talking about the top 50 NBA prospects:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... nch/2.html
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#557 » by Ruzious » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:44 pm

mhd wrote:GREAT article on a scout talking about the top 50 NBA prospects:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... nch/2.html

Yeah, very good read. It's interesting - he's not the first person I've read that said Derrick Williams is not a great athlete. I disagree with him.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#558 » by Dat2U » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:08 am

Ruzious wrote:
mhd wrote:GREAT article on a scout talking about the top 50 NBA prospects:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... nch/2.html

Yeah, very good read. It's interesting - he's not the first person I've read that said Derrick Williams is not a great athlete. I disagree with him.


Indeed a very good read. Derrick Williams has quick and explosive moves but I wouldn't call him a great athlete. A good athlete but not an elite one. I know Williams will be a successful scorer in the NBA I just wonder what his position will be. For me to really get excited about him, he's gotta be able to play the SF position and I don't know if he can do that.

The draft is really an interesting mix. There's like no top 3 pick in the draft at all (maybe a case could be made for Kyrie Irving). Sullinger, Williams, both Joneses and the Euro prospects are all fine as high-to-mid lottery choices but none are truly franchise caliber players.

Maybe getting the 4th or 5th pick in the draft is the best situation for us.

And I'm still not against potentially trading the pick or packaging it if it got us a legit young prospect to add with Wall.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#559 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:17 pm

mhd wrote:GREAT article on a scout talking about the top 50 NBA prospects:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... nch/2.html


Nice quick-hits here, the author writes about a guy that Ruz turned me on to, Keith Benson. Benson will be a riser for-sure because of his versatility.

Keith Benson, 6-11 senior center, Oakland
I like him. He's good, he's skilled, he has had numbers against good teams. He's almost a 10-rebounds-a-night guy but can face up and shoot, too. He reminds me of Horace Grant because he's a pretty good offensive rebounder and can step out a little.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#560 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:54 pm

Multiple Draft Picks Available
Although we are over four months away from the 2011 NBA Draft there is a growing concern around the league about the overall strength and depth of the class. Even in the best case scenario, with the majority of the top underclassmen like Perry Jones III of Baylor and Duke's Kyrie Irving declaring, there's still few expecting the 2011 draft to provide a major impact.

According to sources, those projections have several teams ready to move their picks in trades rather than using them to bring in first-year talent. The Toronto Raptors, Portland Trail Blazers, Phoenix Suns, Minnesota Timberwolves and New Jersey Nets all have multiple first round picks that they could move. The Raptors, Timberwolves and Nets in particular wouldn't mind letting go of one of their selections due to already having a surplus of young players.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?sto ... z1E3H8QtSt

Toronto will probably have a top-10 pick, will they really give it up? I hope Ernie gets after it.

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