Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[SUPERBALLMAN]

The Wizards have had conversations with the Memphis Grizzlies in recent days to discuss what it would take to acquire Baltimore native Rudy Gay, two sources with knowledge of the discussions confirmed.
One source familiar with the Wizards’ plans added that they are “pushing for” the services of a borderline all-star talent that leads the Grizzlies in scoring at 17.8 points per game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... -rudy-gay/


Say good-bye to our 1st-round pick.

If I was a fly on the wall in a Wiz meeting with Ted, Ernie, and the rest of the front office, I'd be hoping for someone to swat me.

At this point, I'm hoping they trade Okariza for Gay - just as long as they don't trade a 1st - because I have no confidence in the Wiz decision-making process.

Well, the report says could be Okafor or Ariza (Ariza makes more sense), with some combo of recent 1st round picks not including Wall or Beal... Vesely, Singleton, Seraphin, Booker, Crawford. Memphis' needs seem more SF & SG, so I would guess Crawford and Singleton, with maybe Vesely.

I'm on board with this, as long our #1 pick this year is not included. I would include our 2nd rounder though which should be somewhere around 31-40.

I would expect Ernie to include our 1st rounder though, as he did in the Jamison deal, and the Mike Miller deal.

[tontoz]

If the Wizards trade for Gay without giving up a pick (or obviously Wall/Beal) then i can accept it. I don't think it would be a good move necessarily but i don't think it would be a bad one either. The opportunity cost of going Gay (sorry couldn't help it) would be much lower than that of the Okariza deal.

Realistically the Wizards should be looking to shed salary now but....whatever.

[AFM]

Ariza/Ves/CSing for Gay works in the trade machine. I would be okay with that.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If the Wizards trade for Gay without giving up a pick (or obviously Wall/Beal) then i can accept it. I don't think it would be a good move necessarily but i don't think it would be a bad one either. The opportunity cost of going Gay (sorry couldn't help it) would be much lower than that of the Okariza deal.

Realistically the Wizards should be looking to shed salary now but....whatever.

I'm sure nobody wants our 1st round pick included, even those that do like the idea of getting Gay. And I'll be surprised if Ernie doesn't include it. So we can all be universal and unanimous in hating the trade, and Ernie Grunfeld, when it happens.

Again, I'm looking Ariza, Vesely, Singleton, Crawford, 2nd round pick. Anything beyond this and I go from liking the move to hating it.

[gambitx777]

I am still not sure what they mean by our offer was good? The thing I'm worried about is that we really should not be giving up a pick to help another team dump salary. I would be ok with giving them the NYK second rounder that we have, our second rounder next year, and maybe the clippers second rounder that we have in 2015; but not a first. would that be "good", trading a first now for gay unless its protected to the moon and back would be no better than the miller deal we did in 09.

I say we move Ariza, Vesely and Crawford with 1-3 of the 3 picks that i mentioned for gay.

then we could try to move NENE to a team like the nets.

maybe NENE for Humphries and maybe Brooks and/or a first round pick.

then try to flip Okafour at some point for youth expiring contracts, or picks.

Then with what ever picks we have we re tool in the draft and go into next season with a younger, more talented team.

Point is getting gay is all fine and well but we should not just give up the draft this year for him either nor should we pretend that our starting 4 and 5 are not getting old, we should cash in on them while we can.

[jivelikenice]

I'd give up the pick if it was top 3 protected and either limited some of the younger assets we send, or get us some (like Selby) in return....

[mhd]

WTF??

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... m-as-blow/

"For example, the Griz have entertained the Washington Wizards' offer for Gay. The crux of that exchange would have the Griz receiving rookie shooting guard Bradley Beal in a larger package. The proposals for Randolph have been even weaker"

[DCZards]

I also don't buy scoring efficiency as the only valid measure of scoring ability. That mindset ignores the fact that there is a shot clock. With only 24 seconds to shoot there are times that you have to just throw the ball to your best scorer at the end of the clock and hope that they can make something happen. No team is going to throw the ball to Tyson Chandler at the end of the clock and expect him to be successfull going 1 on 1.

I share your concern about the overreliance on "efficiency stats," especially when I look at the Hollinger ratings and see SFs like Jordan Hamilton, Chris Copeland and DeMarre Carroll rated ahead of guys like Gay, Kawhi Leonard and Chandler Parsons. Relying on those stats often means ignoring a player's role on and/or contribution to their particular team.

[Jimmy Recard]

Wtf indeed...

There is no way in hell Beal is involved in a potential deal for Gay.

I'd say his name has been brought into the discussion by Memphis' camp, due to Ernie's reluctance in giving up a first round pick. But surely he's not that stupid.

[montestewart]

WTF??

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... m-as-blow/

"For example, the Griz have entertained the Washington Wizards' offer for Gay. The crux of that exchange would have the Griz receiving rookie shooting guard Bradley Beal in a larger package. The proposals for Randolph have been even weaker"

That sounds about right. Refuse to part w/Beal for Harden, then part with Beal for Gay. Okariza, Beal, Wizards 1st for Gay, Randolph, Grizzlies 2nd (SG to replace Beal). Wizards fast track rebuilding for another team again while themselves going into "win never, lose now" mode.

[miller31time]

I think the real question is this -- if Beal is indeed traded for Rudy Gay, will any of us continue following this franchise?

Sounds dramatic and we've all said things like that before, but I feel like a Beal4Gay trade may be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

[rockymac52]

If you believe the earlier reports that the Wizards declined the Thunder's Harden for Beal offer, then you simply can't believe the Gay for Beal offer reports. Our front office might make some frustrating decisions, but they aren't that bad (I hope...).

I've proposed lots of Gay trades here before. I'm still on board, as long as it doesn't include Wall, Beal, or Nene. Which means our only real asset, IMO, is our draft pick, which I'd be okay with losing in a Gay trade, although hopefully it would be top 3 protected or something similar, although I doubt that's how it would work out.

[nate33]

There is no chance the Wizards trade Beal for Gay. None at all. Even Ernie Grunfeld isn't that stupid. EG undervalues first round picks, and he undervalues the importance of cap flexibility, but he has generally been pretty good at properly evaluating the actual players on our roster. We haven't given away anybody of significance where we have been disappointed in the return. (I was real upset with how cheaply we gave away Butler and Haywood at the time, but in hindsight, neither amounted to much. Both ended up signing new contracts that paid them much more than they were worth.)

[jivelikenice]

No reason to believe the report that Beal is involved. 100% that's what they're hoping for...illogical to believe he was offered for numerous reasons...

[AFM]

Yeah that... what? Ernie don't do this to me man.

[mhd]

From Michael Lee's article:

"The Wizards (6-28) traded for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza last June because both players have deals that expire in 2014. Okafor or Ariza would likely be needed to facilitate a trade for Gay but the Wizards could also include any of their past first-round draft picks other than John Wall or Bradley Beal."

Seems like the Grizz people floated Beal's name.

[nuposse04]

I swear to god if Ted allowed for us to trade away Beal for Rudy **** Gay I might have to just give up on even cheering anymore. I'd also look into legal pathways to have Ernie's dismemberment.

*I wonder if Ted actually tweets back to fans who give a damn. Hopefully he'll put our fears to rest.

[jivelikenice]

From Michael Lee's article:

"The Wizards (6-28) traded for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza last June because both players have deals that expire in 2014. Okafor or Ariza would likely be needed to facilitate a trade for Gay but the Wizards could also include any of their past first-round draft picks other than John Wall or Bradley Beal."

Seems like the Grizz people floated Beal's name.

Exactly, I see some combo of Crawford, Seraphin, and the pick...not all 3 though

[Floater]

Guys, it's 2013. If the Wizards want to get Gay, well then let them get Gay. I won't judge them. I'm open to anything and very accepting. The 2013-2014 season could be a coming out season for the Wizards

[Illuminaire]

If the Grizzlies want to shed salary, I'm OK sending them expirings for Gay... and that is it. (I consider "sweetener" like Jan's guaranteed deal essentially worthless and fine to throw in.)

But Gay is the wrong kind of trade target, imo. He's a bigger name (and salary) than he actually is as a player. Whatever though. Ernie is still in charge, so I'm still on the way out with this piece of crap front office.