Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 3

[dckingsfan]

The corollary to that is have a board and start at the top and work down. That goes for both free agents and your draft board. I believe that is what netted us Porter and Rice.

The scary part to me is that EG may value Maynor over Robinson, Williams and Collison. In which case, he went after the player at the top of his board - who then said yes and the rest is history. That coupled with EGs willingness to over pay for his own free agents (opinion) and we are where we are with Webster. Not trying to balance the lineup and that gets you Temple - that or a (EG's) strong belief that one of Singleton, Vesely, Booker or Seraphin will have a break out year.

On the bright side, if things go right and Wall, Beal, Nene and Okafor stay healthy, we could be battling for a playoff spot.

[Nivek]

The scary part to me is that EG may value Maynor over Robinson, Williams and Collison.

[FAH1223]

Grizzlies got two shooters today. They re-signed Mike Miller and claimed Josh Akognon off waivers from the Mavericks.

[hands11]

Based on reports there was significant interest on both sides and Denver/Washington were the two teams he was mulling over with Denver being the front runner.

Got any posts ?

I know I heard the rumor but I never saw anything that said Nate was interested.

I love how people act like anyone that is available is a sure get. It doesn't work like that.

So according to your logic, the only players the Wizards can get are the ones Ernie actually signs?

I didn't know we were basing possible free agent options based on the preponderance of the evidence regarding their actual interest.

No, that is not according to my logic. Strawman.

As for a preponderance. Lets start with any evidence. A preponderance would come after that.

Its real simple. I asked if there was any links to anything that said Nate was actually interested in playing here. Player actually do that sometimes.

Kind of like Blair has done. Kanter did. Webster did it.

What I take issue with is when posters get their undies in a bundle over a player we didn't sign and act like it was all up to the Wizards. Just having the Wizards mentioned in some web posting along with 4 other teams doesn't mean that player is even interested.

After that, look where the player signed. That can tell you something as well.

[hands11]

The corollary to that is have a board and start at the top and work down. That goes for both free agents and your draft board. I believe that is what netted us Porter and Rice.

The scary part to me is that EG may value Maynor over Robinson, Williams and Collison. In which case, he went after the player at the top of his board - who then said yes and the rest is history. That coupled with EGs willingness to over pay for his own free agents (opinion) and we are where we are with Webster. Not trying to balance the lineup and that gets you Temple - that or a (EG's) strong belief that one of Singleton, Vesely, Booker or Seraphin will have a break out year.

On the bright side, if things go right and Wall, Beal, Nene and Okafor stay healthy, we could be battling for a playoff spot.

Or just as easily, he could have gone down that board and Maynor was the only one who gave a strong interest in signing.

We really just don't know.

[dckingsfan]

The corollary to that is have a board and start at the top and work down. That goes for both free agents and your draft board. I believe that is what netted us Porter and Rice.

The scary part to me is that EG may value Maynor over Robinson, Williams and Collison. In which case, he went after the player at the top of his board - who then said yes and the rest is history. That coupled with EGs willingness to over pay for his own free agents (opinion) and we are where we are with Webster. Not trying to balance the lineup and that gets you Temple - that or a (EG's) strong belief that one of Singleton, Vesely, Booker or Seraphin will have a break out year.

On the bright side, if things go right and Wall, Beal, Nene and Okafor stay healthy, we could be battling for a playoff spot.

Or just as easily, he could have gone down that board and Maynor was the only one who gave a strong interest in signing.

We really just don't know.

Also true... I look at Robinson playing behind Lawson and Miller and wonder how that is going to go...

[dckingsfan]

Sometimes you just wish we had a "steal" in free agency like:

Darren Collison, Clippers, two years, $3.8 million - I understand this going to a contender.

Nate Robinson, Nuggets, two years, $4 million - playing behind Lawson and Miller - I think if we were patient we could have had him.

Mo Williams hasn't signed yet, but if it is on the same order - geez.

I guess we did get Webster last year - but just a one year deal.

The other two big steals in my opinion are Blatche and Kirilenko - but those were never going to happen for us.

Maybe we will get some of those "steals" if we perform better on the court.

[Dat2U]

The corollary to that is have a board and start at the top and work down. That goes for both free agents and your draft board. I believe that is what netted us Porter and Rice.

The scary part to me is that EG may value Maynor over Robinson, Williams and Collison. In which case, he went after the player at the top of his board - who then said yes and the rest is history. That coupled with EGs willingness to over pay for his own free agents (opinion) and we are where we are with Webster. Not trying to balance the lineup and that gets you Temple - that or a (EG's) strong belief that one of Singleton, Vesely, Booker or Seraphin will have a break out year.

On the bright side, if things go right and Wall, Beal, Nene and Okafor stay healthy, we could be battling for a playoff spot.

Or just as easily, he could have gone down that board and Maynor was the only one who gave a strong interest in signing.

We really just don't know.

What we do know is that Ernie decided on the 1st day of free agency to sign Maynor to the BAE.

At minimum he should have at least waited. Let the market play itself out as it did. There's no excuse to rush signing a fringe NBA player to a multi-year deal.

[TGW]

What we do know is that Ernie decided on the 1st day of free agency to sign Maynor to the BAE.

At minimum he should have at least waited. Let the market play itself out as it did. There's no excuse to rush signing a fringe NBA player to a multi-year deal.

Why wait? Ernie G. coveted Maynor since he was at TCU. He's had a great NBA career so far. There's no upside in waiting--taking a chance like that could have been fatal. What if another team signed Maynor? We'd be up ****'s creek.

[dckingsfan]

What we do know is that Ernie decided on the 1st day of free agency to sign Maynor to the BAE.

At minimum he should have at least waited. Let the market play itself out as it did. There's no excuse to rush signing a fringe NBA player to a multi-year deal.

Why wait? Ernie G. coveted Maynor since he was at TCU. He's had a great NBA career so far. There's no upside in waiting--taking a chance like that could have been fatal. What if another team signed Maynor? We'd be up ****'s creek.

Of course that brings us back to the implication that EG values Maynor over Robinson, Williams and Collison

[Nivek]

Yeah, I'm sure Maynor had strong interest in signing with the Wizards. I'm guessing the conversation between Maynor and his agent went something like this:

AGENT: Eric, baby...

MAYNOR: I told you to stop calling me that.

AGENT: Chill babe. We have an offer.

MAYNOR: Really?!

AGENT: It's from the Wizards.

MAYNOR: Oh.

AGENT: For their biannual exception.

MAYNOR: Their what?

AGENT: It starts at $2.1 million. And they're willing to give you a second year!

MAYNOR: Tell 'em I'm interested.

AGENT: Can I say you have "strong interest?"

MAYNOR: I guess. How soon can I sign?

[TGW]

The BAE is 2.1 mil? Sheesh! Maynor got broke off.

it pays to be a mediocre point guard.

[Nivek]

Maynor hasn't sniffed mediocre. The lesson here is that it pays to be a guy Ernie has "always liked."

[TGW]

Maynor hasn't sniffed mediocre. The lesson here is that it pays to be a guy Ernie has "always liked."

Noted. It pays to be one of Ernie's kids.

****. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

[dangermouse]

When asked his opinion about Oklahoma City’s offseason activity, Kevin Durant offered a three-word response: “I love it.”

Durant then walked away from the media, seemingly upset, while taking in the action at the Team USA minicamp in Las Vegas.

Sounds happy

Better keep some cap space open in a few years.

[Kanyewest]

Maynor hasn't sniffed mediocre. The lesson here is that it pays to be a guy Ernie has "always liked."

It worked out with Webster. Hopefully, it works out with Maynor.

[verbal8]

Maynor hasn't sniffed mediocre. The lesson here is that it pays to be a guy Ernie has "always liked."

It worked out with Webster. Hopefully, it works out with Maynor.

Even if it works out, the same mistake was made. Right player, but the wrong contract. Even if it cost more, there was not a compelling reason to add a team option to Webster. Having Webster under contract for 2 years allows retaining him at a deal up to the MLE using early bird rights.

Instead of learning from this and holding out for Maynor(or possibly a player with more production/upside) to take a deal with a team option or 2 years, EG rushed to give up the player option. This means if Maynor out-performs his deal, it will take the MLE to retain him(since he will opt out). Oh and you don't have the BAE, since you get it only every 2 years. However if he performs according to his career production, he will get paid twice what he produces.

One of these deals isn't a huge deal in the direction of the franchise, but the pattern is troubling.

[closg00]

In other words, Easy Ernie ends-up on the losing side of contract negotiations/trades most of the time.

[Kanyewest]

Maynor hasn't sniffed mediocre. The lesson here is that it pays to be a guy Ernie has "always liked."

It worked out with Webster. Hopefully, it works out with Maynor.

Even if it works out, the same mistake was made. Right player, but the wrong contract. Even if it cost more, there was not a compelling reason to add a team option to Webster. Having Webster under contract for 2 years allows retaining him at a deal up to the MLE using early bird rights.

Instead of learning from this and holding out for Maynor(or possibly a player with more production/upside) to take a deal with a team option or 2 years, EG rushed to give up the player option. This means if Maynor out-performs his deal, it will take the MLE to retain him(since he will opt out). Oh and you don't have the BAE, since you get it only every 2 years. However if he performs according to his career production, he will get paid twice what he produces.

One of these deals isn't a huge deal in the direction of the franchise, but the pattern is troubling.

Webster's first contract wasn't a mistake- worked out well for both sides. Now we can questions if Webster is worth the $22 million over 4 years but if you look back to a year ago, then Webster had his risks. If Maynor comes up looking like Jarrett Jack- the BAE will be a good option although they have awhile to go out for that.

Still, I would be interested to see if the BAE was actually EG outbidding himself or if other GMs were in the mix and offering a similar amount of money. For instance, perhaps EG had to use the BAE to outbid Portland who would may have gladly had been back on the cheap. There certainly are other options that the Wizards could have used their BAE on. Hopefully, the Maynor option works out for the best.

[verbal8]

It worked out with Webster. Hopefully, it works out with Maynor.

Even if it works out, the same mistake was made. Right player, but the wrong contract. Even if it cost more, there was not a compelling reason to add a team option to Webster. Having Webster under contract for 2 years allows retaining him at a deal up to the MLE using early bird rights.

Instead of learning from this and holding out for Maynor(or possibly a player with more production/upside) to take a deal with a team option or 2 years, EG rushed to give up the player option. This means if Maynor out-performs his deal, it will take the MLE to retain him(since he will opt out). Oh and you don't have the BAE, since you get it only every 2 years. However if he performs according to his career production, he will get paid twice what he produces.

One of these deals isn't a huge deal in the direction of the franchise, but the pattern is troubling.

Webster's first contract wasn't a mistake- worked out well for both sides. Now we can questions if Webster is worth the $22 million over 4 years but if you look back to a year ago, then Webster had his risks.

Acquiring Webster was not the mistake. Letting him sign only a one year deal was the mistake. Since he was a player who was a healthy/consistency risk, he should have to give up something like a team option(or a partial guarantee on a second year).

If Maynor comes up looking like Jarrett Jack- the BAE will be a good option although they have awhile to go out for that.

Still, I would be interested to see if the BAE was actually EG outbidding himself or if other GMs were in the mix and offering a similar amount of money. For instance, perhaps EG had to use the BAE to outbid Portland who would may have gladly had been back on the cheap. There certainly are other options that the Wizards could have used their BAE on. Hopefully, the Maynor option works out for the best.

I do hope if works out for the best, but the upside is very limited. The deal Maynor was offered would be appropriate for a player who missed out on mini-MLE deals and was looking to play himself into a better deal next offseason.