Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[GeeWiz]

To me, Gortat being a legit NBA center and needing to be paid like one isn't the problem. We need one of those (just like every other NBA team), so I don't mind paying.

One other option is keeping Gortat and moving Nene after the season, hopefully breaking up his contract into depth. If we can do that, the longterm cap impact would be the same. Although I would agree that the team would be unlikely to do that coming off a playoff season.

Who did you have in mind regarding a Nene deal?


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[dckingsfan]

If it is possible, I would like a Monroe/Gortat/Nene or Varejao/Gortat/Monroe frontcourt... either would be pretty darn good. And I think that the Wall/Beal backcourt will continue to improve.

[barelyawake]

If it is possible, I would like a Monroe/Gortat/Nene or Varejao/Gortat/Monroe frontcourt... either would be pretty darn good. And I think that the Wall/Beal backcourt will continue to improve.

You need to run the numbers on those. I know we can't do the first. And the second seems undoable as well. Even if they were doable, they would make a decent team that would never win a championship IMO. This is a superstars' league. The refs are too highly involved to win the championship without a superstar.

We need to stop pretending that we don't need or can't get a superstar. We will have the best backcourt in basketball and can plan our cap. We need to demand, after all this time, that we finally build a contender. And we can. This is our best shot in decades. Actually, our best shot was to not get Gortat and tank, but our second best shot is holding out for a true superstar to play in a major market, with the best backcourt in the league (who will be playoff tested).

I like Monroe, but to date he hasn't shown to have a superstar's hunger or drive.

[penbeast0]

I don't think it was Gortat so much as the Nene and Okariza trades that set this mark. We were dead lucky to get Beal, the Wiz braintrust is trying to build a .500 team that will make the playoffs and bring in the extra revenue from that, that's their goal from every trade that they've made since Ted took over . . . which is pretty much what the Bullets/Wizards have been doing since Bob Ferry. I don't think they are actually focused on being a top 3 or so team in the league, just top 15.

[payitforward]

Why does everybody want Gortat back so bad?
He would be GREAT on a contending team like OKC in need of a Center.
We're not winning anything with an aging Gortat at center, so why not use the cap space on a younger C or PF?

Good point, who are you thinking of targeting next year?

I'm sure you've seen me rave about him, but Monroe would thrive here, and has numerous ties with DC given his Gtown background.

If we fail at Monroe, then go after Gortat for a cheap, two year deal worth a good amount. But I see Gortat as a plan B.

Monroe would "thrive" here? Well, he'd play here the way he plays for the Pistons, the way he'd play wherever he played. Monroe would play like Monroe, because that's how guys play.

Long-term, sure, I'd rather have Monroe than Gortat -- but that is only because of the 6+ year age difference. And Monroe is going to get a max deal from someone -- I'm not sure he's worth that. If it were Drummond, you bet. There's no Center in the league I'd rather have right now than Drummond.

Currently, and I think every year Monroe has been in the league, Gortat outproduces Greg Monroe -- but Monroe still has development in him, most likely. Yet, he really hasn't gotten better year on year.

[GeeWiz]

Good point, who are you thinking of targeting next year?

I'm sure you've seen me rave about him, but Monroe would thrive here, and has numerous ties with DC given his Gtown background.

If we fail at Monroe, then go after Gortat for a cheap, two year deal worth a good amount. But I see Gortat as a plan B.

Monroe would "thrive" here? Well, he'd play here the way he plays for the Pistons, the way he'd play wherever he played. Monroe would play like Monroe, because that's how guys play.

Long-term, sure, I'd rather have Monroe than Gortat -- but that is only because of the 6+ year age difference. And Monroe is going to get a max deal from someone -- I'm not sure he's worth that. If it were Drummond, you bet. There's no Center in the league I'd rather have right now than Drummond.

Currently, and I think every year Monroe has been in the league, Gortat outproduces Greg Monroe -- but Monroe still has development in him, most likely. Yet, he really hasn't gotten better year on year.

I'd give him a max if I were Ernie.

He's the type of bigman you can run your offense through in the post. He can draw double teams in the post, opening things up for Beal, Webby, and hell, even Wall.

And Gortat has had one all-star caliber year, when Nash was still doing his thing in the P & R. Monroe is the best player on the Pistons right now. Granted, Drummond is going to surpass him, he's still a steady player who plays at almost an all-star level year after year. And guess what, he's 23.

I'd give Monroe a max all day.


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[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm sure you've seen me rave about him, but Monroe would thrive here, and has numerous ties with DC given his Gtown background.

If we fail at Monroe, then go after Gortat for a cheap, two year deal worth a good amount. But I see Gortat as a plan B.

Monroe would "thrive" here? Well, he'd play here the way he plays for the Pistons, the way he'd play wherever he played. Monroe would play like Monroe, because that's how guys play.

Long-term, sure, I'd rather have Monroe than Gortat -- but that is only because of the 6+ year age difference. And Monroe is going to get a max deal from someone -- I'm not sure he's worth that. If it were Drummond, you bet. There's no Center in the league I'd rather have right now than Drummond.

Currently, and I think every year Monroe has been in the league, Gortat outproduces Greg Monroe -- but Monroe still has development in him, most likely. Yet, he really hasn't gotten better year on year.

I'd give him a max if I were Ernie.

He's the type of bigman you can run your offense through in the post. He can draw double teams in the post, opening things up for Beal, Webby, and hell, even Wall.

And Gortat has had one all-star caliber year, when Nash was still doing his thing in the P & R. Monroe is the best player on the Pistons right now. Granted, Drummond is going to surpass him, he's still a steady player who plays at almost an all-star level year after year. And guess what, he's 23.

I'd give Monroe a max all day.


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I expect the Wizards to offer Monroe a max deal this offseason.

The first question is will Detroit match. I suspect they do, but if not, the next question would be how the Wizards fill out the rest of their roster with no money. Trading Nene for any kind of depth/role players/cap relief they can get would become imperative. If we keep Nene, I don't know if that tandem meshes at least on the defensive end. We'd have our 2nd round pick, and I believe the MLE to add a couple pieces.

I do like the idea of going for Monroe. I think the trade I proposed before to acquire Varajao and Jack could be a better alternative and would actually make us a better team however.

[GeeWiz]

Monroe would "thrive" here? Well, he'd play here the way he plays for the Pistons, the way he'd play wherever he played. Monroe would play like Monroe, because that's how guys play.

Long-term, sure, I'd rather have Monroe than Gortat -- but that is only because of the 6+ year age difference. And Monroe is going to get a max deal from someone -- I'm not sure he's worth that. If it were Drummond, you bet. There's no Center in the league I'd rather have right now than Drummond.

Currently, and I think every year Monroe has been in the league, Gortat outproduces Greg Monroe -- but Monroe still has development in him, most likely. Yet, he really hasn't gotten better year on year.

I'd give him a max if I were Ernie.

He's the type of bigman you can run your offense through in the post. He can draw double teams in the post, opening things up for Beal, Webby, and hell, even Wall.

And Gortat has had one all-star caliber year, when Nash was still doing his thing in the P & R. Monroe is the best player on the Pistons right now. Granted, Drummond is going to surpass him, he's still a steady player who plays at almost an all-star level year after year. And guess what, he's 23.

I'd give Monroe a max all day.


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I expect the Wizards to offer Monroe a max deal this offseason.

The first question is will Detroit match. I suspect they do, but if not, the next question would be how the Wizards fill out the rest of their roster with no money. Trading Nene for any kind of depth/role players/cap relief they can get would become imperative. If we keep Nene, I don't know if that tandem meshes at least on the defensive end. We'd have our 2nd round pick, and I believe the MLE to add a couple pieces.

I do like the idea of going for Monroe. I think the trade I proposed before to acquire Varajao and Jack could be a better alternative and would actually make us a better team however.

I'd be happy with either scenario.

I don't see Pistons matching the max deal with JSmith on the roster, as he is NOT a small forward.

Verajo and Jack would make our bench muuuuuch better, which I'm all for.

I just don't think our current front court is cutting it.

But I would be all for the trade that you proposed, without a doubt.



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[mhd]

I would NOT offer Monroe the max. He's not a max player. He's not a good defensive player.

BTW, I'd easily take Boogie Cousins over Monroe. Cousins is the most talented center in the league (sans maybe Marc Gasol).

[mhd]

At this point, I'd resign Ariza if we could, and trade Porter for a nice package if we could get it.

Would Philly trade Hawes+lesser of their pick/NO 2014 1st for Porter?

[J-Ves]

I have my doubts about the Wizards trying to sign Monroe. In an attempt to do so the Wiz will have to give up Gortats bird rights, possibly giving him less incentive to sign here. What if the Wizards sign Monroe to a max deal and Detroit decides to match it, while Gortat signs somewhere else not wanting to wait? The Wizards will be left with a gaping hole at starting center and $15 million in cap room with no quality free agents to spend it on. If EG is still GM at the time, I can't see him taking that risk.

At this point, I'd resign Ariza if we could, and trade Porter for a nice package if we could get it.

Would Philly trade Hawes+lesser of their pick/NO 2014 1st for Porter?

I think Porter is the key to getting a good, young front court player, but I wouldn't trade him until he comes back and ups his trade value.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If it is possible, I would like a Monroe/Gortat/Nene or Varejao/Gortat/Monroe frontcourt... either would be pretty darn good. And I think that the Wall/Beal backcourt will continue to improve.

You need to run the numbers on those. I know we can't do the first. And the second seems undoable as well. Even if they were doable, they would make a decent team that would never win a championship IMO. This is a superstars' league. The refs are too highly involved to win the championship without a superstar.

We need to stop pretending that we don't need or can't get a superstar. We will have the best backcourt in basketball and can plan our cap. We need to demand, after all this time, that we finally build a contender. And we can. This is our best shot in decades. Actually, our best shot was to not get Gortat and tank, but our second best shot is holding out for a true superstar to play in a major market, with the best backcourt in the league (who will be playoff tested).

I like Monroe, but to date he hasn't shown to have a superstar's hunger or drive.

Well who is the "superstar" we should get... Durant. I mean who else is there? Melo is really the only other option, and nobody seems to think you can win with him and he kills team chemistry. Durant is a driven winner and team leader, and supposedly likes the idea of playing here. There really is no one else. Is Love a superstar? Monroe? Kobe is too old, as is Duncan, or Dirk. Is Bosh a superstar?

If we max Monroe there is no way we can get Durant.

The best scenario is we feed the Cavs rebuild and take their aging high priced players Varajao and Jack off their hands for Ariza's expiring with other younger and cheaper players Seraphin, Booker, Singleton and Maynor.

The deal can't be made before Dec 15. The value is good on our end now that Singleton is back, and Ariza is playing at a very high level. The Cavs have need at SF, and moving Varajao opens their glut of bigs, while moving Ariza opens SF for Porter. Once Porter gets on the floor and has a few weeks to get acclimated, and we can evaluate his ability to step in to Ariza's role to gauge if Ariza is in deed expendable. If he comes in a plays at a high level, similar to Beal last season for example.

The deal gives us a top 8 rotation of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Jack, Wall. If we can then retain Gortat on a deal that keeps our flexibility to pursue Durant when the time comes that would be ideal. We have a team that can compete with the top teams in the East right away. Gortat, Nene, Porter, Beal, Wall, with Varajao, Webster, Jack off the bench would be very strong, and would only get better as chemistry improves and our young perimeter continue to develop their games. Then we can attract Durant to a team that has been good and in the playoffs and stable and playing a veteran team oriented style of play at a high level the past few years, and offers a very talented and up and coming core of players to surround him with in Wall, Beal, Porter.

[GeeWiz]

I have my doubts about the Wizards trying to sign Monroe. In an attempt to do so the Wiz will have to give up Gortats bird rights, possibly giving him less incentive to sign here. What if the Wizards sign Monroe to a max deal and Detroit decides to match it, while Gortat signs somewhere else not wanting to wait? The Wizards will be left with a gaping hole at starting center and $15 million in cap room with no quality free agents to spend it on. If EG is still GM at the time, I can't see him taking that risk.

At this point, I'd resign Ariza if we could, and trade Porter for a nice package if we could get it.

Would Philly trade Hawes+lesser of their pick/NO 2014 1st for Porter?

I think Porter is the key to getting a good, young front court player, but I wouldn't trade him until he comes back and ups his trade value.

And hell yes, Boogie would be amazing. Wall and Cousins in DC, that would be one hell of a future.

So why not trade Porter for Monroe? Pistons need a true small forward to slide JSmoove to the PF spot.

And regarding Monroe in free agency, there is no way Detroit matches that. So far, the three headed front court of Drummond, Monroe, and Smith has been pretty bad, and Smith is signed for the next four years. They would let Monroe go, and slide Smith to PF next to Drummond.

And knowing Ernie, yes, he would take that risk. In fact, he would jump on Monroe early in free agency, throwing a ton of money at him, for better or worse.



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[popper]

Everything sucks.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I have my doubts about the Wizards trying to sign Monroe. In an attempt to do so the Wiz will have to give up Gortats bird rights, possibly giving him less incentive to sign here. What if the Wizards sign Monroe to a max deal and Detroit decides to match it, while Gortat signs somewhere else not wanting to wait? The Wizards will be left with a gaping hole at starting center and $15 million in cap room with no quality free agents to spend it on. If EG is still GM at the time, I can't see him taking that risk.

At this point, I'd resign Ariza if we could, and trade Porter for a nice package if we could get it.

Would Philly trade Hawes+lesser of their pick/NO 2014 1st for Porter?

I think Porter is the key to getting a good, young front court player, but I wouldn't trade him until he comes back and ups his trade value.

How would signing Monroe affect Gortat's Bird rights?

I don't get why so many people are down for sending Otto Porter away in a trade, he's a product of D.C. and I think will prove to be an important part of the team on-court. I wouldn't be thrilled about Spencer Hawes, especially if he were acquired through trading Porter to the 76ers. DeMarcus Cousins isn't that efficient and you don't know if he stays on track or if he begins doing things detrimental to the team the way he's done with the Kings. Neither player is a real efficient big man.

Then again, I remember how folks were dead set and serious about trading John Wall. It doesn't make any sense to me.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I wish the team could swap Eric Maynor for Darren Collison...

[J-Ves]

I have my doubts about the Wizards trying to sign Monroe. In an attempt to do so the Wiz will have to give up Gortats bird rights, possibly giving him less incentive to sign here. What if the Wizards sign Monroe to a max deal and Detroit decides to match it, while Gortat signs somewhere else not wanting to wait? The Wizards will be left with a gaping hole at starting center and $15 million in cap room with no quality free agents to spend it on. If EG is still GM at the time, I can't see him taking that risk.

At this point, I'd resign Ariza if we could, and trade Porter for a nice package if we could get it.

Would Philly trade Hawes+lesser of their pick/NO 2014 1st for Porter?

I think Porter is the key to getting a good, young front court player, but I wouldn't trade him until he comes back and ups his trade value.

How would signing Monroe affect Gortat's Bird rights?

I'm no expert on the current cba, but I think the wizards would have to give up all of their free agents bird rights to be able to sign a player for most of the cap space. For example, we couldn't sign Monroe for max money and then sign Ariza using his bird rights.



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[LyricalRico]

Here's a deal to make in the next few weeks once Beal/Porter are healthy:

Wizards trade: Ariza, Booker, Singleton and Maynor
Raptors trade: A.Johnson, Fields, Novak and Augustin

TRADE ID 6366669

Toronto gives up a good player in Amir Johnson in exchange for getting future salary off their books so their new front office to start remaking the team. Washington improves their depth behind a solid starting lineup.

Gortat/Vesely
Nene/Johnson
Webster/Porter
Beal/Fields
Wall/Augustin

[nate33]

I'm no expert on the current cba, but I think the wizards would have to give up all of their free agents bird rights to be able to sign a player for most of the cap space. For example, we couldn't sign Monroe for max money and then sign Ariza using his bird rights.



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Correct. To maintain Bird Rights on a player, you have to factor the cap hold to sign them. With cap holds on Ariza and/or Gortat, we would not have max cap room for Monroe. We would have to renounce Ariza and Gortat first.

[TGW]

How about a simple Ariza for Stuckey swap? The Pistons could use a real small forward, and we could use a backup 1/2. That would mean no more Maynor getting minutes.