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John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#541 » by CobraCommander » Mon Jan 9, 2017 4:03 am

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payitforward wrote::) But, no, I didn't say Ricky Rubio was having a better year than Wall.

Since you give me the opportunity, let me say that as well as John Wall was playing 10 games ago -- at which point he was having a career year -- he is playing even better since then.

On the season, & keeping it to guys who've played 1000+ minutes so far, I'd say the only PGs having better years than John are Chris Paul, James Harden, Kyle Lowry, Russell Westbrook & Steph Curry. If you want to count the Greek Freak as a PG, he'd have to be on the list as well.

If you don't like that list, Commander, nothing to be done for you, sorry.

Hmm not buying it. Kyle Lowry will have to see John and if Beal is healthy we will see how those guards do against our guard. Paul and Steph are both having down years...while JWs stock is rising...steadily. Did you go to the AllStar vote and Pay it forward...and vote for JW and Beal?

Well, you are certainly consistent no question about that. Consistently wrong (not to mention insulting, but twerps like you aren't worth responding to on that issue).

The idea that Chris Paul is having "a down year" is particularly ludicrous! This is a guy who will likely go down in history as the best point guard ever to play the game, and he is having literally the best year of his career. Shows how much you know, huh?

Curry is down it's true -- he's better than John, obviously, but not playing at the level of the last couple of years. Who knows? He could get worse and worse until he's awful, and that would prove how great John Wall is, right?

What I don't understand is why it isn't enough for John Wall to be having a career year, for him to be the terrific player he is. I don't understand why that isn't good enough, why it's necessary to ding some other player to make John look good. Because, you know, it doesn't. And he doesn't need it.

As to whom I vote for in the All Star game, what business is that of yours? I don't need to prove my fan creds to you. I'm sure I've been an NBA fan longer than you have, and I'd be surprised if you've been a Bullets/Wizards fan as long as I have for that matter.

Tell you what, since you like telling me what my handle says I should be doing, why don't you change yours from CobraCommander to Corporal Garter Snake -- just to get your name a little closer to your place in the scheme of things.

Oh gosh... I guess I did respond to the insulting part. Go eat a mouse.


Im used to the hate...it comes with being the leader of a world wide criminal organization....but either way...im not even sure what we are debating anymore...considering your initial points were pertaining to people having better years than Wall and I was saying most of those guys are NOT having better years than his. I know all of the guys on your list of players that you named are amazing point guards (except for Rubio). I am simply saying on the John Wall Appreication thread that I would take Wall over every other point guard on earth...except for Westbrook and Curry. And I wouldn't take Paul because of his age and his penchant for punching/touching oppents nuts.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#542 » by CobraCommander » Mon Jan 9, 2017 4:04 am

payitforward wrote:That's all meant tongue in cheek, CabroCermmonda. Stay just as you are & never change.



Seriously please go vote for JW or are you a Rose man?
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#543 » by Jimmy Recard » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:55 am


Keep doin work John :lol:
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#544 » by dobrojim » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:14 pm

eyeball only, no data...

Seems like Wall is turning the corner to becoming a closer. For the last
several weeks, if a game is close or particularly, if we're ahead, Wall
will carry the team in the 4thQ. We used to cringe at the end of Qs or
games when he would go iso; recently he's been hitting shots that
most teams can't defend.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#545 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:36 pm

He is certainly having a career year so far but is in the middle of a pretty bad slump from 3. He shot only 30% in Dec and is 1-9 this month. Tired legs I guess.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#546 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:39 pm

CobraCommander wrote:...Im used to the hate...it comes with being the leader of a world wide criminal organization

OMG -- do you work for me?

CobraCommander wrote:....but either way...im not even sure what we are debating anymore...considering your initial points were pertaining to people having better years than Wall and I was saying most of those guys are NOT having better years than his.

We're not debating anything. I'm just pointing out the dumb things you say in defense of John Wall. A defense he doesn't need, btw. Viz.: "most of those guys are NOT having better years than his." When, you know... yeah, they actually are.

CobraCommander wrote:...I am simply saying on the John Wall Appreciation thread that I would take Wall over every other point guard on earth...except for Westbrook and Curry. And I wouldn't take Paul because of

...because of whatever. Why yes, you are saying that, you certainly are.

And guess what -- you are partly right. Want to know why? Because John Wall is an outstanding point guard.

In fact, Cobra, if you can believe it, except for the guys who are better than he is, John Wall is the best point guard on the entire planet. In this thread and others.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#547 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:42 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
payitforward wrote:That's all meant tongue in cheek, CabroCermmonda. Stay just as you are & never change.

Seriously please go vote for JW or are you a Rose man?

Rose? Is anybody voting for him? If so, that's a great indicator of how pointless fan voting is.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#548 » by DCZards » Mon Jan 9, 2017 8:19 pm

dobrojim wrote:eyeball only, no data...

Seems like Wall is turning the corner to becoming a closer. For the last
several weeks, if a game is close or particularly, if we're ahead, Wall
will carry the team in the 4thQ. We used to cringe at the end of Qs or
games when he would go iso; recently he's been hitting shots that
most teams can't defend.


JWall has indeed been amazingly clutch lately. You're right, that same short jumper I'd used to hate to see him take late in games seems to be falling more and more often. That fadeway, baseline jumper he knocked down in the last minute or so of the Bucks game was special.

And he's attacking the basket more than ever late in games, which is the strength of his game. Both JWall and Beal seem to be turning a corner.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#549 » by DCZards » Mon Jan 9, 2017 10:32 pm

FWIW, Bleacher Report just came out with its PG ranking for the halfway point of the season.

Wall is #6...behind Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Curry and Lowry.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2684128-nba-player-power-rankings-brs-top-30-point-guards-at-the-halfway-point/page/28
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#550 » by Jimmy Recard » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:46 am

^ I think that's fair. Westbrook and Harden are on another level right now and the other 3 are on teams projecting to win 50+ games. Wall's had a great year so far but it won't mean much if we have another .500 season.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#551 » by Meliorus » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:50 am

DCZards wrote:FWIW, Bleacher Report just came out with its PG ranking for the halfway point of the season.

Wall is #6...behind Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Curry and Lowry.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2684128-nba-player-power-rankings-brs-top-30-point-guards-at-the-halfway-point/page/28


Thank god he's not behind Lillard or Kyrie. Very good list.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#552 » by AFM » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:54 am

He's not as good as Patrick Beverly though.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#553 » by montestewart » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:14 am

AFM wrote:He's not as good as Patrick Beverly though.

Speaking of how great Patrick Beverly is, I wonder if there's ever been anybody named Billy Beverly-Hill. More research needed. To the phone book library.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#554 » by tontoz » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:41 am

DCZards wrote:FWIW, Bleacher Report just came out with its PG ranking for the halfway point of the season.

Wall is #6...behind Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Curry and Lowry.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2684128-nba-player-power-rankings-brs-top-30-point-guards-at-the-halfway-point/page/28



Ordinarily i am not a fan of BR but i think the ranking is a good one. Isaiah Thomas is putting up big numbers but is too small to guard anyone and it is reflected in his DRPM.

Kyrie's TS is 3% better than Wall's (smaller gap than past years) and he turns it over less but Wall has the edge in assists, rebounds and defense.

I think Wall can be fairly ranked ahead of both.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#555 » by tontoz » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:59 am

It seems like Wall is shooting better on his midrange shots so i decided to check it out. Sure enough he is shooting 44% from 12-22 feet, his career best by 4% and far better than last years 36.7%.

http://bkref.com/tiny/flGL1
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#556 » by Meliorus » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:40 am

This game should help Wall's RPM a ton!
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#557 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:56 am

DCZards wrote:FWIW, Bleacher Report just came out with its PG ranking for the halfway point of the season.

Wall is #6...behind Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Curry and Lowry.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2684128-nba-player-power-rankings-brs-top-30-point-guards-at-the-halfway-point/page/28


Can't argue with Westbrook, Harden or Curry. I'm not sure I'd trade him for Chris Paul. I think he's better than Lowry.

I think he's number 5 in an era of outstanding PGs.

I'd love to see him surrounded by a bunch of actual NBA players.
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#558 » by deneem4 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:04 am

Wall would be on Harden and Westbrook stat level if his teammates wanted him too....
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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#559 » by nate33 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:08 pm

deneem4 wrote:Wall would be on Harden and Westbrook stat level if his teammates wanted him too....

No. Wall has been fabulous this year, but he's still a tier below Harden and Westbrook. That's no knock on Wall. Harden and Westbrook are having two of the best seasons by anybody, ever.

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Re: John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III 

Post#560 » by tontoz » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:30 pm

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DCZards wrote:FWIW, Bleacher Report just came out with its PG ranking for the halfway point of the season.

Wall is #6...behind Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Curry and Lowry.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2684128-nba-player-power-rankings-brs-top-30-point-guards-at-the-halfway-point/page/28


Can't argue with Westbrook, Harden or Curry. I'm not sure I'd trade him for Chris Paul. I think he's better than Lowry.

I think he's number 5 in an era of outstanding PGs.

I'd love to see him surrounded by a bunch of actual NBA players.



Lowry's ORTG is 126 this season compared to Wall's 109.

Lowry's RPM is 6.9 compared to Wall's 3.38.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1
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