Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[tontoz]

https://theringer.com/the-denver-nuggets-asset-report-68d89a24f3d2#.o7dt0ejmt

Interesting Wall-to-Denver deal. Go all the way to the bottom for this deal:

There have been absolutely no indications Wall can be had, but it’s at least plausible he could become available. Just to toss an idea out there: Maybe Mudiay, Nurkic, and both 2017 draft picks would be enticing for Washington. The Wiz would still have Otto Porter and Bradley Beal, with their own first-round pick, two high-to-mid first-rounders in a deep draft, and tons of young talent....

It does make sense but if EG did that he would be admitting failure after 7 years of rebuilding. We would probably need a new GM to get a deal like that done.

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https://theringer.com/the-denver-nuggets-asset-report-68d89a24f3d2#.o7dt0ejmt

Interesting Wall-to-Denver deal. Go all the way to the bottom for this deal:

There have been absolutely no indications Wall can be had, but it’s at least plausible he could become available. Just to toss an idea out there: Maybe Mudiay, Nurkic, and both 2017 draft picks would be enticing for Washington. The Wiz would still have Otto Porter and Bradley Beal, with their own first-round pick, two high-to-mid first-rounders in a deep draft, and tons of young talent....

It does make sense but if EG did that he would be admitting failure after 7 years of rebuilding. We would probably need a new GM to get a deal like that done.

Yup!

[nate33]

https://theringer.com/the-denver-nuggets-asset-report-68d89a24f3d2#.o7dt0ejmt

Interesting Wall-to-Denver deal. Go all the way to the bottom for this deal:

It does make sense but if EG did that he would be admitting failure after 7 years of rebuilding. We would probably need a new GM to get a deal like that done.

Yup!

There's no way Wall will be traded right now before Brooks has a chance to shape the team. I think the time to talk Wall trades is this summer or around Christmas next year. But if we wait very long into next season, Wall's shortening contract will start to impact his trade value. He currently has 3 years left on his deal (counting this season).

[TGW]

That's a terrible trade. First of all, you need to have a GM that can actually draft before you make a move like that. Secondly, Mudiay stinks. You want to downgrade from Wall to Mudiay? Expect 20 win seasons instead of low 40's. Thirdly, the best asset coming back is a center that averages 12 points and 8 rebounds, or around the numbers you get from Gortat.

In other words, NO. HELL NO.

[dckingsfan]

Is there anyway to get out of what EG has done quickly. Anyway to clean up the mess?

It seems like we are solidly stuck in the muck of less that 40 win seasons. This off-season could have been really good building around Wall/Porter/Gortat. Beal/Mahinmi definitely weren't the answers.

I guess the question is rhetorical - nothing is going to happen until EG is gone.

[80sballboy]

That's a terrible trade. First of all, you need to have a GM that can actually draft before you make a move like that. Secondly, Mudiay stinks. You want to downgrade from Wall to Mudiay? Expect 20 win seasons instead of low 40's. Thirdly, the best asset coming back is a center that averages 12 points and 8 rebounds, or around the numbers you get from Gortat.

In other words, NO. HELL NO.

I agree that I wouldn't want Ernie drafting those two picks, but Mudiay is 20 and Nurkic is 22. I wouldn't say they are actually finished products. Nurkic is also huge and talented. He's a lot bigger than Gortat so he won't get dominated and pushed around like Marcin does against certain guys. Personally, I think it's intriguing and I'm all for blowing this shi-t up. Also tired of Wall's antics though I know he's super-talented.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

https://theringer.com/the-denver-nuggets-asset-report-68d89a24f3d2#.o7dt0ejmt

Interesting Wall-to-Denver deal. Go all the way to the bottom for this deal:

There have been absolutely no indications Wall can be had, but it’s at least plausible he could become available. Just to toss an idea out there: Maybe Mudiay, Nurkic, and both 2017 draft picks would be enticing for Washington. The Wiz would still have Otto Porter and Bradley Beal, with their own first-round pick, two high-to-mid first-rounders in a deep draft, and tons of young talent....

If you trade Wall for this package then the pressure is off of Beal.

I have not really thought about this deal, (yet).

I just think on principle the premise of trading John Wall is plausible.



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[WizarDynasty]

Trade Beal, porter and 2 future first for Cousins if he agrees to extension on trade. We need toughness and heart. We need a player that can draw fouls, and inspire his team to play with heart outside of wall. Someone that can match wall's heat and determination and has an alpha personality.

[AllHype3]

It seems inevitable that someone is going to steal/trade for Richaun Holmes. Philly's acquisition of Ilyasova really squeezes Holmes' minutes. When they're healthy, they have their 3 high draft pick young centers, Saric (who is the clear starter at PF), and not to mention Ben Simmons when he recovers - who is not a PG. Simmons is a PF who you can run the offense through - and he currently has no jump shot. This leaves no room for Holmes.

The Wizards need to trade Beal to the Sixers with the quickness.

ANY deal that salaries match.

This strictly a contract deal to get Beal off the books.

Henderson...non guarantee 2017
Ilyasova...UFA 2017
Noel...RFA 2017

For Beal

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Trade Beal, porter and 2 future first for Cousins if he agrees to extension on trade. We need toughness and heart. We need a player that can draw fouls, and inspire his team to play with heart outside of wall. Someone that can match wall's hea(r)t and determination and has an alpha personality.

I'd call that idea mind-blowingly horrible. Just a complete disaster. Happy to trade Beal of course, but sending away Porter (on the cusp of stardom) and 2 R1 picks that are going to be very high (esp. after that trade!)??

How far have Cousins' "heart and determination and... alpha personality" taken his current team?

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But... here's a trade idea with Sac'to that would be great -- and that they might just possibly be dumb enough to do:

Bradley Beal for Rudy Gay, Willie Cauley-Stein & Garrett Temple.

I have no interest in Gay, but he's only signed through next year, and he's actually playing very well so far this year. Maybe there's a 3d team that wants him and could provide us something else instead.

It would be great to have Temple back; he's better than any 2 we have on our roster at present.

Reports say they are interested in trading Cauley-Stein; I'd love to have him, I think he's going to have an excellent NBA career.

We'd have to cut Danuel House. No big deal. And we'd either have to find a way to dump Jason Smith or else cut Ochefu -- I'd rather not do that, but it's a small price to pay. Maybe Sac'to would like to take Jason Smith too in the deal?

[80sballboy]

I'm all for trading Wall now. This guy will not stay healthy down the line. He doesn't take care of himself in the offseason (fat) and is still playing out of control, albeit a lot smarter than he used to be. Sure, he's a better shooter, but will he ever be a great defender? Smaller guards abuse him and that's at 26. What will that be like at 30 or 34? As this season shapes up to be an absolute disaster and John grows more and more frustrated, it's time to make a move, not out of desperation, but they should at least test the market to see what he's worth. If you can get a couple of first rounders and and two solid players who are in their prime who can also defend, do it.

[80sballboy]

Trade Beal, porter and 2 future first for Cousins if he agrees to extension on trade. We need toughness and heart. We need a player that can draw fouls, and inspire his team to play with heart outside of wall. Someone that can match wall's hea(r)t and determination and has an alpha personality.

I'd call that idea mind-blowingly horrible. Just a complete disaster. Happy to trade Beal of course, but sending away Porter (on the cusp of stardom) and 2 R1 picks that are going to be very high (esp. after that trade!)??

How far have Cousins' "heart and determination and... alpha personality" taken his current team?

Who the f-ck wants Beal and that contract? I wouldn't trade Porter with a year left on his deal. No way. Ted wouldn't allow it.

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... I wouldn't trade Porter with a year left on his deal. No way. Ted wouldn't allow it.

Oh man I hope you are right. I wish I felt certain of that.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It seems inevitable that someone is going to steal/trade for Richaun Holmes. Philly's acquisition of Ilyasova really squeezes Holmes' minutes. When they're healthy, they have their 3 high draft pick young centers, Saric (who is the clear starter at PF), and not to mention Ben Simmons when he recovers - who is not a PG. Simmons is a PF who you can run the offense through - and he currently has no jump shot. This leaves no room for Holmes.

The Wizards need to trade Beal to the Sixers with the quickness.

ANY deal that salaries match.

This strictly a contract deal to get Beal off the books.

Henderson...non guarantee 2017
Ilyasova...UFA 2017
Noel...RFA 2017

For Beal

AllHype: (Veteran's salute to you)

This would be manna from heaven for me as a Wizard fan. I think it would HELP Bradley Beal, too. Philly might love this deal.

This is a win-win.

(Ruzious' above mentioned Richaun Holmes. I like him a lot but the deal AllHype suggested is good IMO.)

[nate33]

The Wizards need to trade Beal to the Sixers with the quickness.

ANY deal that salaries match.

This strictly a contract deal to get Beal off the books.

Henderson...non guarantee 2017
Ilyasova...UFA 2017
Noel...RFA 2017

For Beal

AllHype: (Veteran's salute to you)

This would be manna from heaven for me as a Wizard fan. I think it would HELP Bradley Beal, too. Philly might love this deal.

This is a win-win.

(Ruzious' above mentioned Richaun Holmes. I like him a lot but the deal AllHype suggested is good IMO.)

I'd do this deal without hesitation. Beal is overpaid at half his current salary.

[Upper Decker]

Utah fan boys hoping to entice a john wall deal by dangling Dante Exum & George Hill. Puh-leeeze. Hey Pels, how bout Anthony Davis for keef and oubre?

[dangermouse]

Shaq says Cousins might be on the table soon "if things dont improve"

Something around Beal seems obvious, I think we add a little value and the whole "two players not working in their current environment" thing might work.

Then see what a team around Wall & Cousins can do, blow it up if it fails. F it.

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This strictly a contract deal to get Beal off the books.

Henderson...non guarantee 2017
Ilyasova...UFA 2017
Noel...RFA 2017

For Beal

AllHype: (Veteran's salute to you)

This would be manna from heaven for me as a Wizard fan. I think it would HELP Bradley Beal, too. Philly might love this deal.

This is a win-win.

(Ruzious' above mentioned Richaun Holmes. I like him a lot but the deal AllHype suggested is good IMO.)

I'd do this deal without hesitation. Beal is overpaid at half his current salary.

Well, sure!! Problem is that Philly wouldn't do this deal in a zillion years.

It's very hard to trade a problem for a solution. Usually, if you trade your problem you get back another team's problem.

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Shaq, a minority owner of the Kings, says that the team might soon look to get rid of Cousins b/c he is so hard to manage and provides no leadership whatsoever. They aren't going to get the big offers in return that some people here think they'll get. If he's a problem for them, he'll be viewed as likely a problem by other GMs.

OTOH, we have a big problem we can give them. I'd be happy to trade Beal for Cousins and Gay (another guy they'd like to dump) as long as there's no R1 pick added. I might even add Oubre to the deal, as I'm starting to doubt his upside.

Unfortunately, this is not the kind of deal Ernie is likely to do. It would be no surprise at all to see him acquire Cousins -- it would take the focus off of his dismal failures, and Ted would love it for the marketing value. But Ernie would give Porter instead of Beal, and he'll add at least 1 R1 pick in the deal, maybe 2.

The more I think about it, the more likely this seems. I am sure some of you will love it. We'll be in the bottom 1/2 of the league for the duration.

edit: in fact, most likely he'd give Porter & Gortat plus our R1 pick next year. I'm really afraid he's going to do exactly this.