Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[LyricalRico]

Depending on what happens with Gordon Hayward, could Utah be a landing spot for Wade? Maybe for a package around Burks+Diaw?

[pcbothwel]

Man... Morey just kills it. He had the 43rd pick in the draft, and they end up with Hartenstein and Cam Oliver.
Ole Checkers...

[zero2hero]

The way Celtics fans cape for their young players and picks...sheesh

Right? In theory it's a great thing - situationally, I can't see the vision except to just hoard and hope you land a generational talent in the draft. In retrospect, that's exactly what the 76ers did but also Sam Hinkie died for their sins which allowed them to land Embiid/Simmons

[verbal8]

The way Celtics fans cape for their young players and picks...sheesh

Right? In theory it's a great thing - situationally, I can't see the vision except to just hoard and hope you land a generational talent in the draft. In retrospect, that's exactly what the 76ers did but also Sam Hinkie died for their sins which allowed them to land Embiid/Simmons

I think the problem in practice is how rarely superstars are on the open trade market. Usually the leverage of FA means the player is calling the shots to some degree.

[montestewart]

The way Celtics fans cape for their young players and picks...sheesh

Right? In theory it's a great thing - situationally, I can't see the vision except to just hoard and hope you land a generational talent in the draft. In retrospect, that's exactly what the 76ers did but also Sam Hinkie died for their sins which allowed them to land Embiid/Simmons

I think the problem in practice is how rarely superstars are on the open trade market. Usually the leverage of FA means the player is calling the shots to some degree.

I think the Celtics had a better regular season record than the Wizards, beat the Wizards in the playoffs, made it to the EC Finals (something the Wizards have never done), got FA Horford to reject DC and other potential destinations to sign in Boston, had $10,000,000+ less in payroll, just had four draft picks (to the Wizards' none), have much more salary flexibility going forward, and have a lot of picks and young prospects going forward.

Maybe they never get that generational superstar via trade, free agency, or the draft. Maybe they never win another championship. I can think of worse places to be than where the Celtics are right now, and I can think of worse GM performances (ahem, cough cough) than Ainge's performance.

[gambitx777]

Cavs making a push for PG with the nugs.... no idea how they have not picks left.

[LyricalRico]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

[pcbothwel]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

Lol. No way they just include Filler. i assume it will be Mudiay (Reclamation project) along with some positive assets. Gary Harris is a legit starting SG turning 23 this Fall. I think most any team with a clear hole at SG would give up a pick in the 8-12 range.
In Beal's 3rd year (21 y/o), he averaged 23 points per 100 possession with a TS of 52. Harris scored as much with a TS of 61!

I also exepct them to add in a pick or Hernangomez.

[LyricalRico]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

Lol. No way they just include Filler. i assume it will be Mudiay (Reclamation project) along with some positive assets. Gary Harris is a legit starting SG turning 23 this Fall. I think most any team with a clear hole at SG would give up a pick in the 8-12 range.
In Beal's 3rd year (21 y/o), he averaged 23 points per 100 possession with a TS of 52. Harris scored as much with a TS of 61!

I also exepct them to add in a pick or Hernangomez.

Yeah "filler" was the wrong word. I should have said "Faried plus stuff I can't think of at the moment".

But if Denver gives up that much, do they actually get better? Asking seriously, I don't know much about their team. I believe they have to make a decision on Gallinari too.

[payitforward]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

Lol. No way they just include Filler. i assume it will be Mudiay (Reclamation project) along with some positive assets. Gary Harris is a legit starting SG turning 23 this Fall. I think most any team with a clear hole at SG would give up a pick in the 8-12 range.
In Beal's 3rd year (21 y/o), he averaged 23 points per 100 possession with a TS of 52. Harris scored as much with a TS of 61!

I also exepct them to add in a pick or Hernangomez.

There's no way Denver trades Gary Harris! & certainly not in this deal. There is also no way they they trade Hernangomez. Not to get a guy going into the last 1/3 of his career. They are rebuilding. I could see them dealing Faried.

[pcbothwel]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

Lol. No way they just include Filler. i assume it will be Mudiay (Reclamation project) along with some positive assets. Gary Harris is a legit starting SG turning 23 this Fall. I think most any team with a clear hole at SG would give up a pick in the 8-12 range.
In Beal's 3rd year (21 y/o), he averaged 23 points per 100 possession with a TS of 52. Harris scored as much with a TS of 61!

I also exepct them to add in a pick or Hernangomez.

There's no way Denver trades Gary Harris! & certainly not in this deal. There is also no way they they trade Hernangomez. Not to get a guy going into the last 1/3 of his career. They are rebuilding. I could see them dealing Faried.

I agree that I really like those players and question what Denver is doing, but c'mon man.
Denver is a sub .500 basketball team that has a chance to get a top 25 player in the league. They cant have 4 untouchable players in a trade like that along with no top picks.

[I_Like_Dirt]

There's no way Denver trades Gary Harris! & certainly not in this deal. There is also no way they they trade Hernangomez. Not to get a guy going into the last 1/3 of his career. They are rebuilding. I could see them dealing Faried.

I don't feel Faried on his own has a lot of value. He really doesn't fit in the modern NBA. He does work on offense overall, but not so much that their offense is better when he's on the floor than on the bench, and on defense, he doesn't have a place in the modern NBA and he was never that good to begin with. Basically, the Nuggets get better offensive and defensively when Faried on the floor.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/6
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2017/on-off/

The Nuggets are a weird team. They're honestly a very good drafting team, but they have a lot of very good but not much great young talent. The basically had to let Evan Fournier go for nothing (unless you count the ghost of Arron Afflalo as not nothing) because they didn't have a place for him. Nurkic was frustrated with his situation and so they moved him and watched him thrive in Portland.

Right now the Nuggets are facing free agency with Gallo and Plumlee, and they have Hernangomez, Murray, Mudiay, Barton,
Harris, Beasley and Jokic, and they just drafted Lydon and Morris (assuming Cancar is a stash). I mean, the common idea with a rebuild is they should get rid of vets like Chandler, Arthur and Faried, but those aren't the kinds of players teams trading stars are looking for. They basically go 2 deep at every position in terms of prospects right now. There is a limit to how many good players you can have on the roster and the Nuggets, moreso than any other team, are hitting it, although the Blazers also have a similar issue compounded by cap issues. The Nuggets need a consolidation trade in the worst way, only elite prospects that represent a consolidation for them generally aren't available in trades for lesser prospects. I'm not really sure what good options are available to them at this point.

[gambitx777]

I agree that I really like those players and question what Denver is doing, but c'mon man.
Denver is a sub .500 basketball team that has a chance to get a top 25 player in the league. They cant have 4 untouchable players in a trade like that along with no top picks.

here is the overall problem with this trade. Kevin love is a stat stuffer, but can't win on his own. hes not a game changer just a high quality slightly overpriced piece.
Now if this was a denver trade with cleveland straight up. love, iman, jefferson and frye for Faried, Chandler, and aruther (maybe a pick).
Makes sense the cavs retool and dump money (10 mill) Chandler would be big for them and faried and aurther help that teams depth.

for the nugs, They get a "star" and they just simply cut Nelson, and and miller off that team and cut jefferson and frye. Then try to clip Iman for something. and continue your rebuild. With love at the top and a bunch of young talent around him. Or better yet use thos one year deals to go out and make a play for say idk, someone . IDK but

the real problem with the cavs indiana nugs three way, is the nugs are willing to give up assets for love right, but the cavs have no assets, so the nuggs have to over pay for love to pay indiana for PG for the cavs. Its too much and they are going to jsut want want to many assets from the nugs because they have them, and larry is so out of touch with the value of PG its not funny, I mean look at the buttler jsut went for. this deal won't work.... unless denver gets stupid.

[Tricky_Kid]

I dunno where to put in so I write it here. It's nice to see watching our team are mentioning as a destination place where the real stars can go like Melo or PG. Finally the players like Wall are understanding that somethimes not only $$$ is important, that lobbying can be in the final decision of some players that cherry on the cake. Probably we end up with the similar team as year before because EG doesn't bring any hope but more than less it is nice to hear about Wizards like better place than just say NY from basketball reasons

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[Rafael122]

Boston looks like it's offering the Lakers pick in 2018 (or Sacramento in 2019), plus either the Clippers or Memphis pick in 2019, Bradley, and Crowder for George.

I think that offer is strong. Ideally you'd want the Brooklyn pick and everything else stays the same. If I were Pritchard, I'd maybe look at Phoenix and grab Knight plus Miami's top 7 pick in 2018 and absorb that into their cap space.

PG - Knight
SG - Bradley
SF - Crowder
PF - ?
C - Turner

2018: Own 1st rounder, Lakers pick*, Miami's pick*

He could rebuild that team in a hurry if the lottery falls his way.

[Ruzious]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

So, should the Wiz be that 3rd team... taking Love, Porter (sign and trade) going to Indy (where he'd be an outstanding fit), and George to Cleveland? Of course, Love would have to want to play for Washington.

[LyricalRico]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

So, should the Wiz be that 3rd team... taking Love, Porter (sign and trade) going to Indy (where he'd be an outstanding fit), and George to Cleveland? Of course, Love would have to want to play for Washington.

I was trying to figure something out where we kept Porter, maybe something like Gortat+Morris+Oubre+pick? But you're probably right that Otto's the only piece that would play in that scenario.

[gambitx777]

So now Cleveland needs a third team involved to get Paul George? Surprised at teams (or at least Indy) seemingly not wanting Kevin Love. Also saw that the Cavs could also get Faried, although not sure how that works under the cap. If Denver ends up with Love for Faried+filler, that would be a steal!

So, should the Wiz be that 3rd team... taking Love, Porter (sign and trade) going to Indy (where he'd be an outstanding fit), and George to Cleveland? Of course, Love would have to want to play for Washington.

I was trying to figure something out where we kept Porter, maybe something like Gortat+Morris+Oubre+pick? But you're probably right that Otto's the only piece that would play in that scenario.

All you can do is go in and make an offer. But honestly whats the point, if your blowing assets you do it because you think you can make a run at the tittle. Putting Paul on the same team as LeBron all but destroys that chance. So, why blow assets on a deal thats not going to get you anywhere.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wow. Knicks just s canned Jackson.

They are looking for a GM. I happen to know someone who was GM when they had their best playoff run in decades.

Gee, I'd hate to lose Ernie. But he is a New York kind of guy. Who here would begrudge him the opportunity to turn around the Knicks?

Perhaps we can do a kick starter campaign to purchase a train ticket so that he can go up for an interview.

[gambitx777]

So I wonder whats going to happen now that Phil is gone, that whole organizations about to get gutted. I look for them to trade coutney lee, melo and noah for anything you can get.

Honestly Noah for crabbe makes all the sense in the world for NY right now. You have few assets and need to get younger and start over why not take a flyer on a 25 year old kid on a terrible contract over a 32 year old decent center on a bad contract. Byimbo could be an option for them to dump noah too.
lee to clevland for fyre jefferson and KF makes sense. or courtney lee for jhon henson, lee to philly for a pick or covington makes a lot of sense too.
I look for them to unload melo at any means necessary now as well. if the 76ers waive henderson they can absorb melo so melo of covington, and a seocnd?