Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

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Now would be the time to call too -- they're probably so giddy down there that they'd give us the #10 & #17 for our #9 !! No?

Must be fun to be an Atlanta fan right now, huh?

Da Fuq???

Sorry... should have used green font!

[Ruzious]

Now would be the time to call too -- they're probably so giddy down there that they'd give us the #10 & #17 for our #9 !! No?

Must be fun to be an Atlanta fan right now, huh?

Da Fuq???

Fixed that for ya.

[Ruzious]

Wow, what a great trade the Hawks made with Brooklyn. Now they have picks 8, 10, and 17 - and Brooklyn's 2020 1st. So the Nets have room for 2 max contracts; who are they targetting?

Hmm, Beal for Huerter and picks 8 and 10 and the higher of the Nets or Hawks 2020 1st? And we take on Crabbe's expiring. Oh yeah, we don't have a GM.

Atlanta's trade with Brooklyn suffices to put them past us in the future -- not necessarily this year (though maybe...), but soon. Given that Brooklyn is going to use the room to sign some serious talent, it also cements them as in front of us for some years.

Then, the Knicks sign KD, and.... Not to worry: Cleveland is still behind us. The Bulls too for a year or so.

We have a GM -- Tommy Sheppard is running the organization. He knows the phone numbers in Atlanta. He isn't the problem. The problem is the guy who doesn't know what he doesn't know.

Now would be the time to call too -- they're probably so giddy down there that they'd give us the #10 & #17 for our #9 !! No?

Must be fun to be an Atlanta fan right now, huh?

We don't have a GM. Sheppard hasn't even been given the interim GM title. Why would any GM (or Team President) take him at all seriously if he called them? At best... Sheppard's hands are tied.

[nate33]

Wow, what a great trade the Hawks made with Brooklyn. Now they have picks 8, 10, and 17 - and Brooklyn's 2020 1st. So the Nets have room for 2 max contracts; who are they targetting?

Hmm, Beal for Huerter and picks 8 and 10 and the higher of the Nets or Hawks 2020 1st? And we take on Crabbe's expiring. Oh yeah, we don't have a GM.

Atlanta's trade with Brooklyn suffices to put them past us in the future -- not necessarily this year (though maybe...), but soon. Given that Brooklyn is going to use the room to sign some serious talent, it also cements them as in front of us for some years.

Then, the Knicks sign KD, and.... Not to worry: Cleveland is still behind us. The Bulls too for a year or so.

We have a GM -- Tommy Sheppard is running the organization. He knows the phone numbers in Atlanta. He isn't the problem. The problem is the guy who doesn't know what he doesn't know.

Now would be the time to call too -- they're probably so giddy down there that they'd give us the #10 & #17 for our #9 !! No?

Must be fun to be an Atlanta fan right now, huh?

We don't have a GM. Sheppard hasn't even been given the interim GM title. Why would any GM (or Team President) take him at all seriously if he called them? At best... Sheppard's hands are tied.

Yeah, if Sheppard is running the show during the draft, don't expect any trades involving trading current value for future value, or future value for current value. Sheppard doesn't (or shouldn't at least) have the standing to make decisions for the franchise that effect our assets in the distant future.

He can trade the #9 for the the #14 and #24, or something like that; but it would be messed up if he traded Beal or if he traded a future 1st for a current asset.

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I don't disagree, of course not. Not that we know for sure -- but what you both write is common sense. I.e. if Ted wanted to trade Beal, Sheppard could do it. But not the reverse.

But all I care about is if he is free to trade our #9 for Atlanta's #17, #35, #41 & #45.

Thinking about the Atanta-Brooklyn trade, I just realized somethint: assuming that Crabbe & Prince have equivalent utility going forward (i.e. next to none), the Hawks just gave $31m (the difference between what the 2 players are owed) & a 2021 R2 pick in return for the #17 pick in this year's draft & a protected R1 pick in next year's draft.

Do I have that right? It's a lot of $$ for 2 picks. Then again, it was a genius trade for a team with the potential future of the Hawks. I wish Travis Schlenk was our GM!!!

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Actually, Prince has some potential value -- Crabbe has none. So Atlanta paid a lot in this deal. Bold on both teams' part. For the Nets it appears to be making room for Kyrie.

Teams in the East leapfrogging us easily. To me at least this strengthens the argument for a radical & total rebuild. If the Knicks proceed to sign KD, I'd say that would leave us with only the Bulls & Cavs behind us (should be bulls & calves come to think of it...).

Well done, Ernie. Well done, Ted. Keep in mind that Ted has "run multi-billion dollar enterprises." He had AOL in mind. What he did, he ran it into the ground is what he did! Makes running the Wizards into the ground look pretty simple.

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Actually, Prince has some potential value -- Crabbe has none. So Atlanta paid a lot in this deal. Bold on both teams' part. For the Nets it appears to be making room for Kyrie.

Teams in the East leapfrogging us easily. To me at least this strengthens the argument for a radical & total rebuild. If the Knicks proceed to sign KD, I'd say that would leave us with only the Bulls & Cavs behind us

The Nix may still Nix.

The Nets have room for two max deals now. So KD to the K'Bockers is not a done deal. Nets ownership is far better than Dolan, and Brooklyn is the same media market. KD and Kyrie playing with the Nets would make them a contender given the smarts they have in the front office and decent coaching.

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I'll say!

[queridiculo]

Thinking about the Atanta-Brooklyn trade, I just realized somethint: assuming that Crabbe & Prince have equivalent utility going forward (i.e. next to none), the Hawks just gave $31m (the difference between what the 2 players are owed) & a 2021 R2 pick in return for the #17 pick in this year's draft & a protected R1 pick in next year's draft.

Do I have that right? It's a lot of $$ for 2 picks. Then again, it was a genius trade for a team with the potential future of the Hawks. I wish Travis Schlenk was our GM!!!

The difference is more like $15 million, Crabbe has only one year left on his deal.

Even assuming there was an extra year on that contract that trade didn't really cost Atlanta a penny when you consider how far the Hawks are below the salary cap floor.

Brilliant move, and Atlanta has so much cap dollars to burn they could easily turn more bad contracts into future picks.

[LyricalRico]

Houston supposedly willing to trade almost anybody, and now discussing Capela to the Celtics. Wonder what that would mean for Horford? Also, if Houston wants to trade somebody, I'd think they'd look at Gordon before their young starting center who's on a pretty decent deal.

[nate33]

Houston supposedly willing to trade almost anybody, and now discussing Capela to the Celtics. Wonder what that would mean for Horford? Also, if Houston wants to trade somebody, I'd think they'd look at Gordon before their young starting center who's on a pretty decent deal.

Capela got played off the court in the playoffs. Gordon was their second-best playoff player. (Well, maybe third best. Tucker was fantastic too.) Gordon did a great job defensively against Donovan Mitchell and Klay Thompson.

It sure is interesting about Horford. It sounds like the organization is ready to drive Kyrie to the airport. He's gone. So maybe they're thinking rebuild? Just punt on the win-now idea while Toronto and Milwaukee look so strong and instead rebuild around their pretty good young players (Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart and perhaps Capela). Hayward is only 29 as well.

If Horford switches teams, that's going to take a chunk of free agency money off the market.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Houston supposedly willing to trade almost anybody, and now discussing Capela to the Celtics. Wonder what that would mean for Horford? Also, if Houston wants to trade somebody, I'd think they'd look at Gordon before their young starting center who's on a pretty decent deal.

I doubt Gordon has much trade value in general. I also tend to think Capela, while good, is a tad overrated in general. Every year when they go up against better teams in the playoffs he gets targeted and burned time and again. He's far from alone in that respect and still a good player but given how many guys like Whiteside and Drummond would be obtainable pretty easily of another team would actually make a reasonable offer, I suspect the Rockets probably wouldn't mind cashing in Capela while he's still young and there some intrigue there. There are only a few Cs out there who manage to survive against top competition in the modern NBA. Embiid, Gasol, Giannis (yeah, he plays PF, too, but he's a C), Jokic, Gobert... it's a pretty short list. And the Rockets even targeted Gobert a lot in their series, too, though to his credit he did significantly better than most other Cs would have in his shoes and his teammates really let him down more than anything as the lack of shooting made them relatively easy to guard.

[gambitx777]

That's bassically knocks KD off the FA market cuz he will probably be out a whole year, calendar year not just a seasons. If not more. So I would say if the nets are smart I would go after a lower level Jimmy buttler type guy and maybe go after a boogie or someone else not on the higher end of the max tier. But I assume Irving and buttler maybe ?


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[Ruzious]

Cousins would be a natural for the Knicks - being way over-paid and blocking a better young player. I'd love to see it.

Give them Middleton with a max deal, too. He's good, but worth nowhere near the max. They'd never play defense.

[nate33]

Cousins would be a natural for the Knicks - being way over-paid and blocking a better young player. I'd love to see it.

Give them Middleton with a max deal, too. He's good, but worth nowhere near the max. They'd never play defense.

If I were the Knicks, I'd sign KD and then round out the roster with a bunch of mediocre 1-year contracts (or better yet, trade cap room for Ian Mahinmi type contracts and get more picks in the process). I'd draft Garland at #3. The goal would be to tank one more year and develop Garland, D.Smith, Knox and Robinson, while buying draft picks with cap room and spending no cap money beyond Summer 2020.

Next year, they add another high lotto pick, plus another max free agent, plus whatever 2nd round picks they added by buying bad contracts, plus they get KD back, all to join a core of Garland, Smith, Knox and Robinson who are well-seasoned after playing 36 minutes a night this year.

In 2020-21, their lineup could be:
PG Garland
SG 2020 top 3 pick/D.Smith
SF Knox
PF Durant
C A.Davis/Robinson

[Ruzious]

Cousins would be a natural for the Knicks - being way over-paid and blocking a better young player. I'd love to see it.

Give them Middleton with a max deal, too. He's good, but worth nowhere near the max. They'd never play defense.

If I were the Knicks, I'd sign KD and then round out the roster with a bunch of mediocre 1-year contracts (or better yet, trade cap room for Ian Mahinmi type contracts and get more picks in the process). I'd draft Garland at #3. The goal would be to tank one more year and develop Garland, D.Smith, Knox and Robinson, while buying draft picks with cap room and spending no cap money beyond Summer 2020.

Next year, they add another high lotto pick, plus another max free agent, plus whatever 2nd round picks they added by buying bad contracts, plus they get KD back, all to join a core of Garland, Smith, Knox and Robinson who are well-seasoned after playing 36 minutes a night this year.

In 2020-21, their lineup could be:
PG Garland
SG 2020 top 3 pick/D.Smith
SF Knox
PF Durant
C A.Davis/Robinson

Yeah, if they can get both Durant and Davis, that'd be Eastern Conference championship contender. And I do think Smith is going to get a lot better. Not a fan of Knox at this juncture.

[Rafael122]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not all in on giving a 31 year old Durant, coming off an Achilles, a max contract.

[pcbothwel]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not all in on giving a 31 year old Durant, coming off an Achilles, a max contract.

Agree... the problem is who does he help? A team that NEEDS to contend next year (LAL) would be giving away next year. A team that is planning for the future will have a 34-35 y/o Durant when they are contending.

[Rafael122]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not all in on giving a 31 year old Durant, coming off an Achilles, a max contract.

Agree... the problem is who does he help? A team that NEEDS to contend next year (LAL) would be giving away next year. A team that is planning for the future will have a 34-35 y/o Durant when they are contending.

Apparently the recovery time is 9 months. So we're looking at....March 2020 as a possible return. If he opts in with GSW, no big deal. If he goes to the Knicks? Why bring him back in his first season? Chances are they will be in the lottery at that point. If you're signing KD, you're fully expecting that Year 1 will be a wash.

[Ruzious]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not all in on giving a 31 year old Durant, coming off an Achilles, a max contract.

Agree... the problem is who does he help? A team that NEEDS to contend next year (LAL) would be giving away next year. A team that is planning for the future will have a 34-35 y/o Durant when they are contending.

Apparently the recovery time is 9 months. So we're looking at....March 2020 as a possible return. If he opts in with GSW, no big deal. If he goes to the Knicks? Why bring him back in his first season? Chances are they will be in the lottery at that point. If you're signing KD, you're fully expecting that Year 1 will be a wash.

Gotta figure even his recovery is smooth, he won't be the same Durant next season. Even after next season, he might not be more than 80% of what he used to be. Otoh, even at 80%, he's an all-star.