payitforward wrote:doclinkin wrote:payitforward wrote:That trade was impossible. If it had been possible, it would have been a huge mistake. Now, the details:
Doc -- Wasn't there some behind the scenes way in which, somehow, Haliburton was wired to Sac'to? Like his agent was telling people not to pick him... he might not show up... something? I might be misremembering.
Oh yeah... https://kingsherald.com/draft-news/2020-nba-draft-tyrese-haliburton-sacramento-kings-lowe-post/
I'm not misremembering. So I guess your trade wasn't really possible. Of course it would have turned out very well, had it been possible.
Not impossible, teams would have just had to call his bluff. Select him anyways and then convince him it was a good idea. That happens every now and again on draft night, it just tends to make the headlines when it actually works. Zero chance though that he would actually hold out when real money was on the line.
From what I understand Dallas was offering a significant package. Right or wrong I likely would have taken it. Future draft picks are significantly undervalued and our cupboard is bare, in order to get particularly good we will need to maximize the assets we have. Your usual draft exercise of trading down for 4-5 picks in a draft, while it is a fun puzzle to play, in real life we have limited minutes or practice time for young players. You do better off with an extra pick or two every year than bringing in 1/4 of your roster slots in one draft. That way you can bring them up with veterans to train them. And not all drafts are the same. Dollar cost averaging seems to apply.
I liked Halliburton. I thought he was an ideal fit next to either or both of Brad and Wall. I was higher on him than whomever was left. I figured he would be gone before us. I had him above Devin Vassell and Aaron Nesmith, both available at 9. But if the Mavs came with a serious package, I would have probably selected Tyrese and then seen what sweetener the Mavs came up with. I have no doubt I could have been convinced to swap.
At that point the question would have been if I had selected Precious or Saddiq. Saddiq grew on me, Zards had him first but by draft night he and Xavier Tillman were my picks. I might have regretted it, based on Halliburton's later growth. Then consoled myself with the story that he had said she wasn't going to play here. But really the value depends on what the later picks were that Dallas was offering. That part we will never know.
Well, of course, we could simply have picked Haliburton & played hardball. Naturally, that's a little easier for us to envision on this board than to do -- as is evidenced by the fact that neither we or anyone else did it!
As well, you glide over the fact that there was no real reason to think that Bey would be on the board at #18 & little reason to expect Tillman to be there at #31 -- so one can't really view the trade as one made to secure these two players. You'd have to have 3 players in mind at each spot.
IOW, it's hindsight & only hindsight that gives any impact to this particular trade-down idea. Not that I disagree with the move, doc. But, it can't be presented as a decision to acquire Saddiq Bey & Xavier Tillman!
This is especially a problem if you use access to Haliburton for the Mavs as the carrot. If the "deal" w/ Sac'to wasn't a problem, he was going earlier. If it was, then it existed whoever the Mavs traded with.
I was/am a big fan of Saddiq Bey and proposed some trades to get him. You seemed to be more of a Tyler Bey fan. As much as I liked Saddiq, no chance I would have taken him at 9. I would have taken Haliburton - regardless of what his agent said. Btw, I can't imagine someone loving Sacramento that much and actually holding out to be there. It seems crazy.
Note on this years draft - brutal game for both Baylor guards in their first loss of the season. How they bounce back will be key.
