Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart
queridiculo wrote:nate33 wrote:Dinwiddie needs to wake up and start playing for either Dinwiddie for Simmons or a Dinwiddie for Kyrie trade to have any legs whatsoever.
Not a chance in hell that Dinwiddie will ever fetch Simmons or Kyrie unless you're willing to include Beal or a ridiculous number of first round picks.
Dat2U wrote:queridiculo wrote:nate33 wrote:Dinwiddie needs to wake up and start playing for either Dinwiddie for Simmons or a Dinwiddie for Kyrie trade to have any legs whatsoever.
Not a chance in hell that Dinwiddie will ever fetch Simmons or Kyrie unless you're willing to include Beal or a ridiculous number of first round picks.
Simmons & Kyrie don't have this value anymore. Wiz need to capitalize on a star's depressed trade value and take a risk OR face an inevitable rebuild.
The difference is Ted's never gonna pull the trigger on guys he views as loyal unless they ask out and tommy isn't going against Tednate33 wrote:The problem is that Indy is in the same boat as us. They're are a mediocre team who needs to reload around a younger core. That means they're looking to trade veterans for young picks/prospects. It makes them a lousy trade partner.
Indy needs to find a team who is on the verge of jumping from being a young upcoming team to being a regular winning franchise. Those are the teams that might have a few excess young players/picks to trade while they're are in need of a few stabilizing vets in the prime of their career. Indy should be looking to trade with teams like Charlotte, Boston, Atlanta and Memphis. Not us.
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264958/Bradley-Beal-Embracing-Being-Able-To-Dictate-What-I-Want-Future-To-Be-Where-I-Want-It-To-Be
Just trade Beal at this point. He's not worth maxing, he's never going to be that guy; he's a really good 3rd option IMO, maybe a second option if he loses some of his selfish AAU habits. He needs someone who is going to play the leadership/passion role, because he ain't it when it comes to any of that.
I'm all in at this point of moving in a different direction while Unseld is still fresh in his position. Get what you can for Trez, Kuzma, and KCP, see if someone is really looking to make a move around the deadline for Beal that are willing to maybe take the risk of his free agency status, and hopefully Dinwiddie rebuilds some value so we can move him for some picks/young pieces.
We have some good, young pieces in the front court to build around in Gafford, Rui, and Deni (maybe even Bryant), let's do some tanking to get us some good backcourt and wing pieces. Hopefully this stretch of games on the road will put a big dent in the notion that we are good. Beauty about what Sheppard has done is we have moveable pieces, the tricky aspect will be Beal.
Frichuela wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264958/Bradley-Beal-Embracing-Being-Able-To-Dictate-What-I-Want-Future-To-Be-Where-I-Want-It-To-Be
Just trade Beal at this point. He's not worth maxing, he's never going to be that guy; he's a really good 3rd option IMO, maybe a second option if he loses some of his selfish AAU habits. He needs someone who is going to play the leadership/passion role, because he ain't it when it comes to any of that.
I'm all in at this point of moving in a different direction while Unseld is still fresh in his position. Get what you can for Trez, Kuzma, and KCP, see if someone is really looking to make a move around the deadline for Beal that are willing to maybe take the risk of his free agency status, and hopefully Dinwiddie rebuilds some value so we can move him for some picks/young pieces.
We have some good, young pieces in the front court to build around in Gafford, Rui, and Deni (maybe even Bryant), let's do some tanking to get us some good backcourt and wing pieces. Hopefully this stretch of games on the road will put a big dent in the notion that we are good. Beauty about what Sheppard has done is we have moveable pieces, the tricky aspect will be Beal.
Indeed and agreed. If it was down to me, Beal would have been shipped at last year's trade deadline. Let's face it, the big elephant in the room is Terd.
FAH1223 wrote:Frichuela wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264958/Bradley-Beal-Embracing-Being-Able-To-Dictate-What-I-Want-Future-To-Be-Where-I-Want-It-To-Be
Just trade Beal at this point. He's not worth maxing, he's never going to be that guy; he's a really good 3rd option IMO, maybe a second option if he loses some of his selfish AAU habits. He needs someone who is going to play the leadership/passion role, because he ain't it when it comes to any of that.
I'm all in at this point of moving in a different direction while Unseld is still fresh in his position. Get what you can for Trez, Kuzma, and KCP, see if someone is really looking to make a move around the deadline for Beal that are willing to maybe take the risk of his free agency status, and hopefully Dinwiddie rebuilds some value so we can move him for some picks/young pieces.
We have some good, young pieces in the front court to build around in Gafford, Rui, and Deni (maybe even Bryant), let's do some tanking to get us some good backcourt and wing pieces. Hopefully this stretch of games on the road will put a big dent in the notion that we are good. Beauty about what Sheppard has done is we have moveable pieces, the tricky aspect will be Beal.
Indeed and agreed. If it was down to me, Beal would have been shipped at last year's trade deadline. Let's face it, the big elephant in the room is Terd.
You guys listen to the whole pod?
That didn’t sound like a guy who’s itching to leave. The Wizards are clearly the front runners on keeping him and it isn’t going to take much in convincing him.
He was also playing Assistant GM this summer to his own admission on how the trade came together.
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
IMO, I don't care if we are the front runners to keep him at this point. Why wouldn't we be? He knows we can offer the most money. My point is the arrogance of these statements when his play has been a big part of us sucking after a promising start. There's no dog in Beal. I said this last season even when he was playing better and nothing has changed. Three weeks ago when we were 10-3 he's all (and I'm paraphrasing), "Oh I want to win in DC," "This team is real good," "We got some dogs," etc. Soon as the tough gets going, he's making statements like these. Front runner, wimpy ****.
Beal put up inflated scoring numbers on two teams that were under .500, and now he thinks he's a super star. Even when he was playing well, it's hard to make an argument of him being a top 20 because he serious lacks those intangibles of leader (let us not even go into defense). Dude has is supposed to be an all-class shooter, but hasn't been able to knock down threes above a 35% clip for four years now. The jig is up.
Beal eating up half this team's cap space is going to make things miserable in the coming years unless he has a come to Jesus moment on the court that I'm simply not counting on. So yeah, just rip the band aid off. No more of this wishy washy, BS of Beal needing his ego catered to anymore than it already has been. It's hilarious that he think that he can constantly do all this back and forth with his contract, and expect a team to commit to him. You can't have it both ways.
It would suck, but I'd let the dude just walk at this point if we can't find a deal. I know I'm dreaming because Ted would panic, but it's what I'd do at this point.
FAH1223 wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
IMO, I don't care if we are the front runners to keep him at this point. Why wouldn't we be? He knows we can offer the most money. My point is the arrogance of these statements when his play has been a big part of us sucking after a promising start. There's no dog in Beal. I said this last season even when he was playing better and nothing has changed. Three weeks ago when we were 10-3 he's all (and I'm paraphrasing), "Oh I want to win in DC," "This team is real good," "We got some dogs," etc. Soon as the tough gets going, he's making statements like these. Front runner, wimpy ****.
Beal put up inflated scoring numbers on two teams that were under .500, and now he thinks he's a super star. Even when he was playing well, it's hard to make an argument of him being a top 20 because he serious lacks those intangibles of leader (let us not even go into defense). Dude has is supposed to be an all-class shooter, but hasn't been able to knock down threes above a 35% clip for four years now. The jig is up.
Beal eating up half this team's cap space is going to make things miserable in the coming years unless he has a come to Jesus moment on the court that I'm simply not counting on. So yeah, just rip the band aid off. No more of this wishy washy, BS of Beal needing his ego catered to anymore than it already has been. It's hilarious that he think that he can constantly do all this back and forth with his contract, and expect a team to commit to him. You can't have it both ways.
It would suck, but I'd let the dude just walk at this point if we can't find a deal. I know I'm dreaming because Ted would panic, but it's what I'd do at this point.
This interview was recorded when they had the 2nd best record in the conference. He also says throughout he's playing like shid.
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Wait that RealGM headline was posted just now after saying this weeks ago or they just released the audio? Either way I still stand by most of what I said.
FAH1223 wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Wait that RealGM headline was posted just now after saying this weeks ago or they just released the audio? Either way I still stand by most of what I said.
Audio was released today but the interview was conducted weeks ago.
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:It would suck, but I'd let the dude just walk at this point if we can't find a deal. I know I'm dreaming because Ted would panic, but it's what I'd do at this point.
DCZards wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:It would suck, but I'd let the dude just walk at this point if we can't find a deal. I know I'm dreaming because Ted would panic, but it's what I'd do at this point.
Glad you’re not the Zards GM or owner…because doing that would be ridiculous.
DCZards wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:It would suck, but I'd let the dude just walk at this point if we can't find a deal. I know I'm dreaming because Ted would panic, but it's what I'd do at this point.
Glad you’re not the Zards GM or owner…because doing that would be ridiculous.
nate33 wrote:DCZards wrote:CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:It would suck, but I'd let the dude just walk at this point if we can't find a deal. I know I'm dreaming because Ted would panic, but it's what I'd do at this point.
Glad you’re not the Zards GM or owner…because doing that would be ridiculous.
I'm by no means a Beal hater, but I'd let him walk before paying him a 5 year supermax starting at $46M. That's a team crippling contract that would end up looking no better than the Westbrook contract.
I really don't think there's a market out there to pay Beal max money. We are bidding against ourselves.
pcbothwel wrote:nate33 wrote:DCZards wrote:Glad you’re not the Zards GM or owner…because doing that would be ridiculous.
I'm by no means a Beal hater, but I'd let him walk before paying him a 5 year supermax starting at $46M. That's a team crippling contract that would end up looking no better than the Westbrook contract.
I really don't think there's a market out there to pay Beal max money. We are bidding against ourselves.
1) A max Beal will never be as bad as Russ
2) A max Russ got us Kuz, Harrell, KCP, and #22
You Max Beal, zero question. I would hate it for many reasons, but there will always be a team that will trade filler and positive assets for him. Letting him walk for cap space is an awful idea.
pcbothwel wrote:nate33 wrote:DCZards wrote:Glad you’re not the Zards GM or owner…because doing that would be ridiculous.
I'm by no means a Beal hater, but I'd let him walk before paying him a 5 year supermax starting at $46M. That's a team crippling contract that would end up looking no better than the Westbrook contract.
I really don't think there's a market out there to pay Beal max money. We are bidding against ourselves.
1) A max Beal will never be as bad as Russ
2) A max Russ got us Kuz, Harrell, KCP, and #22
You Max Beal, zero question. I would hate it for many reasons, but there will always be a team that will trade filler and positive assets for him. Letting him walk for cap space is an awful idea.
Frichuela wrote:pcbothwel wrote:nate33 wrote:I'm by no means a Beal hater, but I'd let him walk before paying him a 5 year supermax starting at $46M. That's a team crippling contract that would end up looking no better than the Westbrook contract.
I really don't think there's a market out there to pay Beal max money. We are bidding against ourselves.
1) A max Beal will never be as bad as Russ
2) A max Russ got us Kuz, Harrell, KCP, and #22
You Max Beal, zero question. I would hate it for many reasons, but there will always be a team that will trade filler and positive assets for him. Letting him walk for cap space is an awful idea.
Hence, if I was Tommy, I would convince Terd that we have to try our hardest to get rid of Brad at this trade deadline. The Brad for Simmons+Maxey (or Curry) trade idea has been discussed here ad nauseam. I would rather gamble on 25-yr old Simmons on a $34-38mn/year contract left for 3.5 more years than pay 28-year old Beal the super max for 5 years...And on top of that we get another prospect in Maxey or a sharpshooter in Seth Curry.
nate33 wrote:pcbothwel wrote:nate33 wrote:I'm by no means a Beal hater, but I'd let him walk before paying him a 5 year supermax starting at $46M. That's a team crippling contract that would end up looking no better than the Westbrook contract.
I really don't think there's a market out there to pay Beal max money. We are bidding against ourselves.
1) A max Beal will never be as bad as Russ
2) A max Russ got us Kuz, Harrell, KCP, and #22
You Max Beal, zero question. I would hate it for many reasons, but there will always be a team that will trade filler and positive assets for him. Letting him walk for cap space is an awful idea.
I'd take $46M in cap room than three more guys like Kuz, Harrell and KCP. I'd rather be in OKC's situation then on a Wizards team without Beal but with 3 more solid, well-paid role players. What the hell are you going to do with a roster of 15 guys who are all suited to be the 4th or 5th best player on a team?
