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Post#561 » by nate33 » Fri May 20, 2011 9:04 pm

dlts20 wrote:1- Shorter & Smaller then I thought. He's definitely not a Center and he actually looked shorter or the same size as most of the other bigs. Weve all seen the 6'11 but yesterday he was listed at 6'10 and I think he's probably 6'9 and a half but close to 6'10. He's not big either. Just a normal size 4's body if that.

Dude, we have actual measurements on him.

He's 6'-9.75" in socks, 6'-11.25" in shoes. He has a 7'-1.5" wingspan. He weighs 259. He's a classic PF/C. He has the size to play center and the skills to play PF.
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Post#562 » by Mizerooskie » Fri May 20, 2011 9:13 pm

Any chance Kanter has a promise from Cleveland, and that's why he's skipping interviews?
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Post#563 » by jivelikenice » Fri May 20, 2011 9:22 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I still don't know why people think Dray can play winning ball. He's one of the most inefficient PF's in the league, takes bad shots and is just terrible off the court. He's addition by subtraction.


I agree....Watching the playoffs, does anyone here actually think that Blatche could play efficiently and mentally tough enough to compete at this level?
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Post#564 » by Nivek » Fri May 20, 2011 9:23 pm

If Kanter wants to be a Wizard, he should go to these interviews and be an ass. Insult the GM and the coach. Talk about how he can't wait to sign a guaranteed contract so he can stop working out all the time. Tell them he only plays basketball so he can get paid -- he'd rather play soccer or be the world's greatest bağlama player.
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Post#565 » by Ruzious » Fri May 20, 2011 9:24 pm

Despite earlier reports, I don't think Jordan Williams helped himself much at the combine. He looked transformed, but his body fat % is still lousy - 12.1% - even though his weight is all the way down to 247. He's 6'9 with shoes and while his wingspan is okay, reach matters much more for a big, and his reach is only 8'10.5. He's not going to be a center with those measurements, and he's got a long way to go to prove he has PF skills.
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Post#566 » by jivelikenice » Fri May 20, 2011 9:30 pm

I was watching the combine coverage and they were talking about Vesely and Kanter. I was extremely surprised about their comments on Vesely. I believe it was Chad Ford and Fran Faschilla who both called Vesely pro-ready based on the competition and league he's currently in and thought he was absolutely a top 5 pick in the draft. It made me think, are those of us on the board discounting Jan doing this because of what happened with Pecherov? Is he more pro-ready then even a D Will based on the comp he goes against?
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Post#567 » by dlts20 » Fri May 20, 2011 9:30 pm

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dlts20 wrote:1- Shorter & Smaller then I thought. He's definitely not a Center and he actually looked shorter or the same size as most of the other bigs. Weve all seen the 6'11 but yesterday he was listed at 6'10 and I think he's probably 6'9 and a half but close to 6'10. He's not big either. Just a normal size 4's body if that.

Dude, we have actual measurements on him.

He's 6'-9.75" in socks, 6'-11.25" in shoes. He has a 7'-1.5" wingspan. He weighs 259. He's a classic PF/C. He has the size to play center and the skills to play PF.

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Post#568 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Fri May 20, 2011 9:35 pm

jivelikenice wrote:I was watching the combine coverage and they were talking about Vesely and Kanter. I was extremely surprised about their comments on Vesely. I believe it was Chad Ford and Fran Faschilla who both called Vesely pro-ready based on the competition and league he's currently in and thought he was absolutely a top 5 pick in the draft. It made me think, are those of us on the board discounting Jan doing this because of what happened with Pecherov? Is he more pro-ready then even a D Will based on the comp he goes against?


Fran Faschilla is notoriously pro-foreigner so I would take what he says with a grain of salt.
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Post#569 » by Ruzious » Fri May 20, 2011 9:38 pm

Nivek wrote:If Kanter wants to be a Wizard, he should go to these interviews and be an ass. Insult the GM and the coach. Talk about how he can't wait to sign a guaranteed contract so he can stop working out all the time. Tell them he only plays basketball so he can get paid -- he'd rather play soccer or be the world's greatest bağlama player.

And then he can tell them he'll only talk to them through his interpreter - who only speaks a Swiss dialect of Turkish.
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Post#570 » by Terpman » Fri May 20, 2011 9:42 pm

Nivek wrote:If Kanter wants to be a Wizard, he should go to these interviews and be an ass. Insult the GM and the coach. Talk about how he can't wait to sign a guaranteed contract so he can stop working out all the time. Tell them he only plays basketball so he can get paid -- he'd rather play soccer or be the world's greatest bağlama player.


Nice! I think a little "I expect the offense to run through me" comment would probably do the trick :)
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Post#571 » by spaceman_E » Fri May 20, 2011 9:52 pm

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spaceman_E wrote: Please. Someone please tell me how Kawhi Leonard is different than Dominic Mcguire besides being younger?


I think it's reasonable to say Leonard is a much more talented prospect as a wing than McGuire was, and probably by a fair margin. Even if you compare Leonard's soph stats to McGuire's red-shirt Junior totals, Kawhi blows him away in every category but blocks.

Basically, D-Mac was a tweener who needed to be a four, but didn't have the rebounding skill or bulk to pull it off. Leonard is a pure three who rebounds bigger than his position, and much more viable as an NBA player.


So he's a rich man's Mcguire is all you told me. That still isn't any good, maybe an 8th man. And how in the world is a guy with DMac's shooting ability a "pure 3?" He was a decent passer from what I've seen but not a ball handler. He's an undersized 4, just the same.
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Post#572 » by jivelikenice » Fri May 20, 2011 9:53 pm

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:I was watching the combine coverage and they were talking about Vesely and Kanter. I was extremely surprised about their comments on Vesely. I believe it was Chad Ford and Fran Faschilla who both called Vesely pro-ready based on the competition and league he's currently in and thought he was absolutely a top 5 pick in the draft. It made me think, are those of us on the board discounting Jan doing this because of what happened with Pecherov? Is he more pro-ready then even a D Will based on the comp he goes against?


Fran Faschilla is notoriously pro-foreigner so I would take what he says with a grain of salt.


This is true, but are we discounting the competition Vesely is going against? I'd like to state my preference is to draft Kawhi if we stay at 6, but is Vesely potentially more pro-ready?
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Post#573 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Fri May 20, 2011 9:59 pm

If Enes slips to us at #6 I'll be ecstatic. The mere fact that somebody has said "I would like to be a Wizard" makes me happy.

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Post#574 » by Illuminaire » Fri May 20, 2011 10:01 pm

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Illuminaire wrote:
spaceman_E wrote: Please. Someone please tell me how Kawhi Leonard is different than Dominic Mcguire besides being younger?


I think it's reasonable to say Leonard is a much more talented prospect as a wing than McGuire was, and probably by a fair margin. Even if you compare Leonard's soph stats to McGuire's red-shirt Junior totals, Kawhi blows him away in every category but blocks.

Basically, D-Mac was a tweener who needed to be a four, but didn't have the rebounding skill or bulk to pull it off. Leonard is a pure three who rebounds bigger than his position, and much more viable as an NBA player.


So he's a rich man's Mcguire is all you told me. That still isn't any good, maybe an 8th man. And how in the world is a guy with DMac's shooting ability a "pure 3?" He was a decent passer from what I've seen but not a ball handler. He's an undersized 4, just the same.


Six points and five rebounds per 40 minutes is HUGE, Spaceman. Goodness. Five rebounds per 40!

Not to mention he has MUCH more respectable shooting prospects. Did you completely ignore the massive difference in their FT percentages?

Leonard is younger, faster, and better than DMAC ever was in college. Unlike McGuire, he's also capable of playing an actual position. I'm not saying that he's great, or that I wish we couldn't get him at 12-15 rather than 6-9. In a draft this weak, though, he may be the best we can get... and he has both a very solid floor (great defense + rebounding) and significant upside (improving shot).
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Post#575 » by daSwami » Fri May 20, 2011 10:08 pm

Ok, you guys are good. Some of you actually had me believing that you think kanter is good when in truth this whole thread is just one big mis-direct designed to get cavs fans excited about a big white stiff. Color me naïve!
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Post#576 » by dlts20 » Fri May 20, 2011 10:08 pm

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dlts20 wrote:1- Shorter & Smaller then I thought. He's definitely not a Center and he actually looked shorter or the same size as most of the other bigs. Weve all seen the 6'11 but yesterday he was listed at 6'10 and I think he's probably 6'9 and a half but close to 6'10. He's not big either. Just a normal size 4's body if that.

Dude, we have actual measurements on him.

He's 6'-9.75" in socks, 6'-11.25" in shoes. He has a 7'-1.5" wingspan. He weighs 259. He's a classic PF/C. He has the size to play center and the skills to play PF.

also, I dont trust them mesasurments for all those guys. Some look real and some dont look real. I looked at some guys from last year and I think there real height is closer to what they are with the shoes off. He dont look like Dray's height to me. Jordan Willaims is listed as 6'9. Im not buying these heights for all these guys. Even on TV they still have Kanter's height as 6'10. Greg Monroe is listed at 6'11 last year, Favors at 6'10 and a half. Those guys arent that tall or Dray is 7ft
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Post#577 » by tontoz » Fri May 20, 2011 10:34 pm

looking at the measurements Kanter has plenty of size to play center. Derrick Willaims comes in measuring about the same height as Josh Smith but heavier with a higher standing reach.

A lot of talk here about Leonard. His wingspan of 7'3" very long for a small forward. Don't know much about him though.

Faried is actually a quarter inch shorter than Booker and 11 pounds lighter. Curious to see how he does in the athletic testing.

I am sort of hoping that they wind up trading the pick for someone useful. I am not holding out a lot of hope for the 6th pick in this draft.
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Post#578 » by tontoz » Fri May 20, 2011 10:38 pm

dlts20 wrote:also, I dont trust them mesasurments for all those guys. Some look real and some dont look real. I looked at some guys from last year and I think there real height is closer to what they are with the shoes off. He dont look like Dray's height to me. Jordan Willaims is listed as 6'9. Im not buying these heights for all these guys. Even on TV they still have Kanter's height as 6'10. Greg Monroe is listed at 6'11 last year, Favors at 6'10 and a half. Those guys arent that tall or Dray is 7ft



Blatche didn't get measured at the combine when he came out so we don't really know how tall he is. NBA listings are all over the place. Iggy and Childress are the exact same height but are listed 2" apart.
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Post#579 » by doclinkin » Fri May 20, 2011 10:47 pm

I only got to watch the guard workouts on yesterdays combine footage so I'm still chewing on it.

--(and good gawd the ESPN talking head panel sucks, the production values are worse than the Zards broadcast, with graphics obscuring all the action, windbags jabberjawing inanely while the camera follows someone else entirely, players mis-identified, Chad Ford looking more and more like the actor who played Max Headroom, or Jim Carrey)--

But I was impressed with Charles Jenkins, who worked out with the point guards, but is clearly a combo guard -- that is, a combination of two different human beings grafted onto a single body. Dude has the upper arms of a 250lb power forward spliced onto a 6'2" PG frame. He looks like someone injected a dacshund into his triceps. And he operates with the seriousness of purpose of a cyborg, totally focused and emotionless.

I also was pleasantly surprised to see that one of my sleepers, sniper Andrew Goudelock proved faster than expected and able to guard his match-ups. Having seen snippets or heavily pixelated feed only, I figured he might be one of those one-trick-ponies only able to gun from waaay outside the 3-line. Used to look a halfstep slow. But kid has transformed himself in a few short months of work. Seeing him skitter back on the one-on-three defense drill, he was able to double on the interior then skip out to interfere with the perimeter shot in an eyeblink. Ranged accuracy combined with speed are good, if you can also defend you'll definitely earn minutes.

Not sure what the hell is happening with the DX Dbase though, they've got doubled numbers up and down the board. That's probably the PIT tourney numbers and current measurements together. If the numbers are accurate then the players who helped themselves the most are Goudelock, defensive stretch Damian Saunders, and Big Man Rick Jackson, who tore up that agility drill, burning the times posted by of most of the guards in the field.

These time differentials are more notable to me than the flat measures of other players, since one of the key measures of success and professionalism in the NBA is the ability to adjust and improve. Players who can put in work to fix their shortcomings (in short order) will edge out those who expect to rely on talent alone. That's the difference here between seniors and raw prospects. They know how to put in the work.
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Post#580 » by doclinkin » Fri May 20, 2011 10:53 pm

Malcolm Lee also looked like he could defend a bit. And Marshon Brooks looked like he already thought he was Kobe.

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