Wizards Sign Martell Webster

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First, for the archives

Martell Webster settles on timetable for return
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Second, Martell racked up two more CD-DNPs since we last spoke.

Games missed

2014/15 - 35
2013/14 - 4

He needs to play 180 games over the first 3 years.
He can't miss 67 games in three seasons.
So far, he has missed 39.

He needs to miss 28 more for the contract conditions to change.

39 more game to go this year.

He hasn't shown to be rotation ready yet so I can see that number getting into the 20 range before the season is over.

And with ever game he misses, that contract becomes more movable if needed. The more games he missed this year, the more he can play next year without having to pay that last year of the deal making him effectively an expiring next year.

Best scenario would be to get that number down in the 10 range this year which would mean he needs to miss 46% ish of the remaining games.

[closg00]

Grunfelded

[TGW]

How sad is it that we're hoping the guy basically racks up DNPs so that they can bail on his contract.

Horrible signing once again. On a side note, Gortat is looking like a terrible resigning too.

[fishercob]

He can't miss more than 66 games in three seasons. So far, he has missed 37. He needs to miss 29 of the next 127 games.

Missed due to injury, not a coaches DNP right? I wonder how they count these?

According to Shamsports, the contract merely says that Webster must play in 180 games. That would suggest that DNP-CD's are equivalent to games missed due to injury, but there's no way to be sure.

BTW, if Webster does miss 66+ games, then his 4th year can be bought out for $2.5M. He's not completely off the books as that $2.5M would still count against our cap.

I have been told by people in the know that you are correct. If he doesn't play, he doesn't play. No distinction between DNP-CD's, injury, inactive, etc.

[JAR69]

Missed due to injury, not a coaches DNP right? I wonder how they count these?

According to Shamsports, the contract merely says that Webster must play in 180 games. That would suggest that DNP-CD's are equivalent to games missed due to injury, but there's no way to be sure.

BTW, if Webster does miss 66+ games, then his 4th year can be bought out for $2.5M. He's not completely off the books as that $2.5M would still count against our cap.

I have been told by people in the know that you are correct. If he doesn't play, he doesn't play. No distinction between DNP-CD's, injury, inactive, etc.

I asked this above - do you know if playoff games count?

[closg00]

The jig is up. We weren't able to trade him last year https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/stat ... 2212502528
Plan B is to do an EG clean-up and end his contract early. I think this is a reasonable presumption.

[Illmatic12]

How sad is it that we're hoping the guy basically racks up DNPs so that they can bail on his contract.

Horrible signing once again. On a side note, Gortat is looking like a terrible resigning too.

Disagree about Gortat. Put it in context. Think about fit, potential replacements, etc.

And if he helps us make deep playoff runs over these next 2-3 seasons, it wouldn't have been a bad signing at all (albeit overpriced at the time). Remember that the salary cap will go up, and Gortat's 4th/5th years will be moveable at that point.

[fishercob]

According to Shamsports, the contract merely says that Webster must play in 180 games. That would suggest that DNP-CD's are equivalent to games missed due to injury, but there's no way to be sure.

BTW, if Webster does miss 66+ games, then his 4th year can be bought out for $2.5M. He's not completely off the books as that $2.5M would still count against our cap.

I have been told by people in the know that you are correct. If he doesn't play, he doesn't play. No distinction between DNP-CD's, injury, inactive, etc.

I asked this above - do you know if playoff games count?

I do not know, but I doubt it.

[nate33]

The jig is up. We weren't able to trade him last year [tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/483650172212502528[/tweet]
Plan B is to do an EG clean-up and end his contract early. I think this is a reasonable presumption.

This jibes with my theory that they want to keep Seraphin but can only do so if they dump Webster.

My guess is that Webster gets a bunch more DNP-CD's for the next month or two. They'll probably try and get him back on the court in March in time for him to shake off the rust and play in the playoffs.

[fishercob]

The jig is up. We weren't able to trade him last year [tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/483650172212502528[/tweet]
Plan B is to do an EG clean-up and end his contract early. I think this is a reasonable presumption.

This jibes with my theory that they want to keep Seraphin but can only do so if they dump Webster.

My guess is that Webster gets a bunch more DNP-CD's for the next month or two. They'll probably try and get him back on the court in March in time for him to shake off the rust and play in the playoffs.

This tweet from June is a non-story and isn't news.

Half the league is available in trade talks over the summer, and the vast majority of trade discussions don't materialize.

I agree that Webster is likely to continue to sit, barring an injury to someone in front of him.

I have full confidence that -- if he's healthy -- Webster can be just as dangerous from the perimiter as he was pre injury, once he shakes the rust off.

But even if he isn't -- even if he never plays another minute for the Wizards (which I think we'd all agree is a tad unlikely) the "mistake" of his signing won't have had a signficant functional impact. Hell, if his contract prevents us from keeping Seraphin, that could even be a good thing in the long run.

[nate33]

The jig is up. We weren't able to trade him last year [tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/483650172212502528[/tweet]
Plan B is to do an EG clean-up and end his contract early. I think this is a reasonable presumption.

This jibes with my theory that they want to keep Seraphin but can only do so if they dump Webster.

My guess is that Webster gets a bunch more DNP-CD's for the next month or two. They'll probably try and get him back on the court in March in time for him to shake off the rust and play in the playoffs.

This tweet from June is a non-story and isn't news.

Half the league is available in trade talks over the summer, and the vast majority of trade discussions don't materialize.

I agree that Webster is likely to continue to sit, barring an injury to someone in front of him.

I have full confidence that -- if he's healthy -- Webster can be just as dangerous from the perimiter as he was pre injury, once he shakes the rust off.

But even if he isn't -- even if he never plays another minute for the Wizards (which I think we'd all agree is a tad unlikely) the "mistake" of his signing won't have had a signficant functional impact. Hell, if his contract prevents us from keeping Seraphin, that could even be a good thing in the long run.

Oops. My bad. (Well, actually closg00's bad for posting an old tweet.)

I supported the resigning of Webster at the time so I'm not going to bash EG for it. I'd have liked the deal much more if that last year was fully non-guaranteed if he missed 66 games (rather than it being $2.5M guaranteed). That said, there is definitely a significant functional impact of having that contract on the books. Depending on how the cap grows, it's pretty likely that Webster's presence on the roster in 2016/17 could mean that we can't take the team option on Humphries. Clearly, Humphries would be a much more critical player than Webster on a team that already has Durant, Porter and Beal at the wing positions.

[closg00]

I wrote that they attempted to trade him last year per the tweet.

[nate33]

I wrote that they attempted to trade him last year per the tweet.

Okay. My bad.

[fishercob]

I wrote that they attempted to trade him last year per the tweet.

Making someone available and trying to trade them isn't the same thing.

[fishercob]

This jibes with my theory that they want to keep Seraphin but can only do so if they dump Webster.

My guess is that Webster gets a bunch more DNP-CD's for the next month or two. They'll probably try and get him back on the court in March in time for him to shake off the rust and play in the playoffs.

This tweet from June is a non-story and isn't news.

Half the league is available in trade talks over the summer, and the vast majority of trade discussions don't materialize.

I agree that Webster is likely to continue to sit, barring an injury to someone in front of him.

I have full confidence that -- if he's healthy -- Webster can be just as dangerous from the perimiter as he was pre injury, once he shakes the rust off.

But even if he isn't -- even if he never plays another minute for the Wizards (which I think we'd all agree is a tad unlikely) the "mistake" of his signing won't have had a signficant functional impact. Hell, if his contract prevents us from keeping Seraphin, that could even be a good thing in the long run.

Oops. My bad. (Well, actually closg00's bad for posting an old tweet.)

I supported the resigning of Webster at the time so I'm not going to bash EG for it. I'd have liked the deal much more if that last year was fully non-guaranteed if he missed 66 games (rather than it being $2.5M guaranteed). That said, there is definitely a significant functional impact of having that contract on the books. Depending on how the cap grows, it's pretty likely that Webster's presence on the roster in 2016/17 could mean that we can't take the team option on Humphries. Clearly, Humphries would be a much more critical player than Webster on a team that already has Durant, Porter and Beal at the wing positions.

I could not be less worried about Webster's 16-17 contract. if they need to pay someone modestly to take that $2.5M on to their books, they can.

I think Ted and co have close to infinitely more knowledge than we do about the state of the cap landscape in two years than we do. After all, it's Ted that negotiated this new TV deal. I think he knows what money is coming in when, how the smoothing is going to work, etc.

I think we are better off biding our time with Webster. If a good deal comes along for him now, then great. If not, keep him around (he's a great bench and locker room presence) and find him spots to shake off the rust. If and when we have to cut him and eat that $2.5M, we can deal with it then. The worst case with Webster just isn't that bad.

[nate33]

You misunderstand. If Webster misses 66 games, then his last year is only $2.5M guaranteed. In that event, I agree with you that the cap hit is manageable. I'm just saying that if he doesn't miss 66 games, but he continues to play poorly, then his contract is a problem.

[hands11]

Pretty sure he will end up in the 10-15 more games to go range. And that's not an issue because he can rack up DNPs next year as well. And best to get them out of the way early next year at that. Otto and Paul are going to getting the SF minutes to start next year. Beal the SG minutes. And by then, I expect another option. And there might still be Rasual.

Sitting Webster is in no way a straight up hose job. This team has other players that are legit.

He only has to not play less then every other game. He hasn't won any minutes yet. He could ride the pines for 2-3 games in a row easy.

With 39 games to go and only 18 more DNPs to get the number down to 10, they could get there easily.

Specially if they pick up Pablo Prigioni for as little as a 2nd round pick

[Wizardspride]

I might be wrong but I think Martell is slowly starting to round into form.

[hands11]

I might be wrong but I think Martell is slowly starting to round into form.

Oh yeah. He was moving better and with more confidence out there. To bad he smacked knees with Freakn Lin. I sure he has a serious Charlie horse but he will be fine. Get some treatment. In a week he won't even know that happened. But its going to be tender the next 1-3 days.

He just needed some minutes to get his grove back. No one on the team can catch and shoot quick release a 3 as good as he can and we need that skill.

What he does is one of the bigger holes this team has which is why they are interested in Ray Allen. Quicker back up 3 pt shooting PG being another. Then bench rim protector third.

The bench could really use a shooter like him. 6 min 5 pts was off to a good start. He could have ended up 12 min 8-10 pts and that just what the 2nd unit needs. Miller could really use a target like that since he doesn't shot the 3 himself.

Nice to see Otto get the start and play well.

Its going to take both of them playing well if they are going to end up with a good record and a top seed.

Now if we can just get Beal and Rasual back on track from 3, I think they will look solid. But they still need another PG. To bad they wasted a pick on Glen Rice. They could have had Wolters or even Clarkson in that slot or any number or FAs. Still waiting to see what they add there.

[closg00]

Martell Webster exited Tuesday's game with a right knee injury after colliding with Jeremy Lin.