Predicting the Eastern Conference Standings 2014/2015 Season

tontoz · Post #561 » by **tontoz** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:00 pm

I don't see how it is possible to get home court. Unless they changed the rules Toronto automatically gets home court in the first round since they won their division.

dckingsfan · Post #562 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:12 pm

tontoz wrote:I don't see how it is possible to get home court. Unless they changed the rules Toronto automatically gets home court in the first round since they won their division.

DOH

dckingsfan · Post #563 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:28 pm

Because of a lingering left hamstring strain, Will Bynum hasn't been able to do much for the Wizards after signing a 10-day contract, but they're going to retain him for the rest of the season anyway when signs another deal Monday, CSNwashington.com has confirmed with persons with knowledge of the situation.

Grunfelded again.

Post #564 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:10 pm

tontoz wrote:I don't see how it is possible to get home court. Unless they changed the rules Toronto automatically gets home court in the first round since they won their division.

Didn't the NBA change that recently? I thought homecourt was now determined solely by record, not seeding. Did a quick Yahoo search for a reference but couldn't find one. I'll keep looking later.

tontoz · Post #565 » by **tontoz** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:15 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
tontoz wrote:I don't see how it is possible to get home court. Unless they changed the rules Toronto automatically gets home court in the first round since they won their division.

Didn't the NBA change that recently? I thought homecourt was now determined solely by record, not seeding. Did a quick Yahoo search for a reference but couldn't find one. I'll keep looking later.

They may have changed it but i didn't hear about it. If that is the case then winning the division is basically meaningless.

Post #566 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:26 pm

tontoz wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:
tontoz wrote:I don't see how it is possible to get home court. Unless they changed the rules Toronto automatically gets home court in the first round since they won their division.

Didn't the NBA change that recently? I thought homecourt was now determined solely by record, not seeding. Did a quick Yahoo search for a reference but couldn't find one. I'll keep looking later.

They may have changed it but i didn't hear about it. If that is the case then winning the division is basically meaningless.

Tried searching on Google this time and found this article from a couple years ago:

Divisions and Playoff Seeding

Each conference is split into six-team divisions. The Atlantic, Central and Southeast divisions make up the Eastern Conference and the Northwest, Southwest and Pacific comprise the West. The winners of each division and the remaining team with the best overall record are awarded the first through fourth seeds in the playoffs.

Division winners are not guaranteed a top-three seed, or even home-court advantage in the first round. For example: if the season ended on April 11, 2012, the Chicago Bulls (44-14), Miami Heat (40-16) and Boston Celtics (34-24) would be champions of the Central, Southeast and Atlantic divisions, respectively. The Bulls have the East's top overall record and would be top seed, Miami would be second. But the Indiana Pacers (36-22) have a better record than the Celtics, so they'd be seeded third and Boston fourth.

That fourth seed might be higher than the fifth in name only. Home-court advantage goes to the team with the best record, which isn't always the team with the higher seed. That's a real possibility this season; as of April 11, the Celtics have an identical record to the Atlanta Hawks and Orlando Magic. The Hawks or Magic could pass Boston in the standings, enter the playoffs as a lower seed but still have home-court advantage in the first round.

http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-playoffs/a/About-The-Nba-Playoffs.htm

Maybe someone else can locate a stronger reference?

dckingsfan · Post #567 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:31 pm

Edit, from Wiki: Beginning with the 2004 season, with the addition of the thirtieth NBA franchise, the Charlotte Bobcats, the NBA realigned its divisions. The result was that each conference would have three divisions of five teams each, and the winner of each division was guaranteed a top-three playoff seed. This would change slightly after the 2005–06 season; while division winners still receive automatic playoff berths, they are guaranteed a top-four seed, as described above.

dobrojim · Post #568 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:34 pm

Gooden is playing better for us than Nene with his shooting range really improving our spacing.
I wouldn't hurry to get Nene back for more than spot tune-up minutes. Pierce too with the
way OP has been playing. We still got a chance at higher than 5. TOR has some games against
the teams that are fighting for 7-8 in the east. Also 4/5 of TOR remaining games are road games.

tontoz · Post #569 » by **tontoz** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:10 pm

LyricalRico wrote:[http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-playoffs/a/About-The-Nba-Playoffs.htm

Maybe someone else can locate a stronger reference?

So they are trying to pretend that winning the division means something, even though it doesn't. I bet the NBA is the only league where the higher seed doesn't have home court advantage.

Well at least we have a chance at home court.

dckingsfan · Post #570 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:36 pm

So we can get home court advantage if we have the same record as Chicago...

dobrojim · Post #571 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:50 pm

HC vs CHI would come down to the 3rd tiebreaker if we ended up with the same record
since we split the season series with them IIRC.

hands11 · Post #572 » by **hands11** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 7:23 am

Well here we go.. 4 games left.

Apr 10 @ BRK
Apr 12 ATL
Apr 14 @ IND TNT
Apr 15 @ CLE

1 game behind CHI and 2 behind TOR

Wizard at 45 wins. Currently in 5th

queridiculo · Post #573 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 12:15 pm

The division win guarantees Toronto home court advantage. It doesn't however guarantee them a top three seeding with the changes made to the format.

The top four seeds will be the three division winners plus the team with the next best record. Those four will be ordered by record (and tiebreakers if needed), so it's possible that two teams in the same division could hold the top two spots, with the other two division winners at Nos. 3 and 4.

So assuming the Wizards finish behind the Raptors and Bulls and both of those teams end up with tied records, Toronto would earn the higher seed by virtue of their division record.

In a three way tie the division title of the Raptors would break the first tie, leaving Washington and the Bulls in a two way tie.

The season series between the two teams is even, and since the Bulls and Wizards aren't in the same division the conference record would be the tie breaker, which, as it stands, Washington would win.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

Post #574 » by **nate33** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 12:52 pm

queridiculo wrote:The division win guarantees Toronto home court advantage. It doesn't however guarantee them a top three seeding with the changes made to the format.

The top four seeds will be the three division winners plus the team with the next best record. Those four will be ordered by record (and tiebreakers if needed), so it's possible that two teams in the same division could hold the top two spots, with the other two division winners at Nos. 3 and 4.

So assuming the Wizards finish behind the Raptors and Bulls and both of those teams end up with tied records, Toronto would earn the higher seed by virtue of their division record.

In a three way tie the division title of the Raptors would break the first tie, leaving Washington and the Bulls in a two way tie.

The season series between the two teams is even, and since the Bulls and Wizards aren't in the same division the conference record would be the tie breaker, which, as it stands, Washington would win.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/playoff.tiebreakers/

Toronto's division win guarantees them a top 4 seed, but that doesn't mean they will have home court advantage. If Chicago finishes with the 3rd best record, Washington the 4th best, and Toronto the 5th best, then Toronto would be the 4 seed and Washington would be the 5 seed, but Washington would still get home court advantage. Toronto would be the 4th seed in name only, functionally, they would be the 5th seed.

dobrojim · Post #575 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 2:30 pm

Nate is correct about HCA. Regardless of your 'seed', if you have a better
record than the team you are playing, you have HCA.

Just looked up tiebreaker rules.

2 way tie with TOR, they win via their season sweep of us.

2 way with CHI, goes to 3rd tiebreaker, conf record where we
are currently tied. But both teams only have conf games left
so if we ended up tied, we would necessarily have a 1 game
edge in conf record which is a good thing since the next tiebreaker
is record against playoff teams in your conf where we could presumably
not fare well. So we win a 2 way tiebreaker with CHI but not with TOR.

3 way tie goes to best record among tied teams. TOR
might have an edge here unless they were swept by CHI.
We won't given our 0-3 record vs TOR.
Not sure how TOR-CHI matchup went this year.

TDotsfinest97 · Post #576 » by **TDotsfinest97** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 3:09 pm

dobrojim wrote:Nate is correct about HCA. Regardless of your 'seed', if you have a better
record than the team you are playing, you have HCA.

Just looked up tiebreaker rules.

2 way tie with TOR, they win via their season sweep of us.

2 way with CHI, goes to 3rd tiebreaker, conf record where we
are currently tied. But both teams only have conf games left
so if we ended up tied, we would necessarily have a 1 game
edge in conf record which is a good thing since the next tiebreaker
is record against playoff teams in your conf where we could presumably
not fare well. So we win a 2 way tiebreaker with CHI but not with TOR.

3 way tie goes to best record among tied teams. TOR
might have an edge here unless they were swept by CHI.
We won't given our 0-3 record vs TOR.
Not sure how TOR-CHI matchup went this year.

chicago wooped us real good 4-0

dobrojim · Post #577 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 3:12 pm

So CHI would win tiebreaker in 3 way tie by virtue of 6-2 record. TOR would be 2nd with 3-4.
Wiz would be 3rd with 2-5 record.

mademan · Post #578 » by **mademan** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 3:51 pm

dobrojim wrote:So CHI would win tiebreaker in 3 way tie by virtue of 6-2 record. TOR would be 2nd with 3-4.
Wiz would be 3rd with 2-5 record.

We'd automatially get the higher seed due to division (though h2h, CHI would have HCA against us)

dobrojim · Post #579 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 3:57 pm

No. In a 3-way tie, the first criteria results in a ranking of CHI-TOR-WIZ.
That's the end of story.

mademan · Post #580 » by **mademan** » Thu Apr 9, 2015 4:06 pm

dobrojim wrote:No. In a 3-way tie, the first criteria results in a ranking of CHI-TOR-WIZ.
That's the end of story.

Right now, CHI and TOR have the same record, but TOR is the higher seed because of they won the division. Division winners are guaranteed a top 4 seed and tie-breaker against non-division winners