Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[nate33]

Not sure I want Love. He racked up #s on a terrible Minnesota team and never won anything as the man, goes to Cleveland, he gets hurt they still make the Finals, now he's healthy and still not doing much. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't think he's that good. We'd be doing the Cavs a massive favor giving them anything of significance for Love.

It really is interesting how a player's role within the structure of a team makes so much difference.

Some players can make a bad team good, but are unable to make a good team great. Melo comes to mind. Other players don't impress very much on bad teams, but can be the type of uber glue player that makes a good team great. Shawn Marion is a good example; and I suspect Draymond Green might be too. (If Green was on a bad team, he would probably be a pretty unremarkable starting PF.)

I fear the Love belongs in the Melo category. He has clearly demonstrated the ability to carry a bad team by himself and put up impressive numbers in the process, but he has not shown why he is better than any number of modestly above-average PFs when on a good team. The problem is that defense is more cumulative than offense. If a team already has 2 great defenders, a third great defender is still really helpful. But if a team already has two great offensive players, then a third great offensive player doesn't really help all that much. Cleveland would probably do much better with a guy like Ibaka or Draymond Green at PF.

Love may not be a championship type of player, but he'd still help our team out a whole lot more because we don't have any offensive players as good as Love.

[fishercob]

Not sure I want Love. He racked up #s on a terrible Minnesota team and never won anything as the man, goes to Cleveland, he gets hurt they still make the Finals, now he's healthy and still not doing much. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't think he's that good. We'd be doing the Cavs a massive favor giving them anything of significance for Love.

It really is interesting how a player's role within the structure of a team makes so much difference.

Some players can make a bad team good, but are unable to make a good team great. Melo comes to mind. Other players don't impress very much on bad teams, but can be the type of uber glue player that makes a good team great. Shawn Marion is a good example; and I suspect Draymond Green might be too. (If Green was on a bad team, he would probably be a pretty unremarkable starting PF.)

I fear the Love belongs in the Melo category. He has clearly demonstrated the ability to carry a bad team by himself and put up impressive numbers in the process, but he has not shown why he is better than any number of modestly above-average PFs when on a good team. The problem is that defense is more cumulative than offense. If a team already has 2 great defenders, a third great defender is still really helpful. But if a team already has two great offensive players, then a third great offensive player doesn't really help all that much. Cleveland would probably do much better with a guy like Ibaka or Draymond Green at PF.

Love may not be a championship type of player, but he'd still help our team out a whole lot more because we don't have any offensive players as good as Love.

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[TheSecretWeapon]

Love isn't doing much this season? Am I watching the same season? He's playing at an All-Star level this year.

And no, Love doesn't belong in the same category as a guy like Carmelo Anthony, because Love has been (and continues to be) remarkably productive. Carmelo has actually been surrounded most of his career with good (albeit underrated) players. Carmelo, as has been chronicled elsewhere, has been one of the more overrated players of his generation (yay points).

If the Wizards could get Love, it's a potentially excellent move, depending on the acquisition cost. He would bring high production to a spot where the Wizards desperately need help, his offensive game would seem to mesh well with what Wall does well, and he's unlikely to change the level of their defense one way or the other.

[Dark Faze]

It's hard to land the big stars. More realistically--you look back and see that the small, smart moves would have already had us in contention. Guys that seemed "boring" at the time--Kawhi and Klay in 11, one of either Jae Crowder or Draymond in '12, a trade for Isaiah Thomas last year...these moves have passed us by, but we can make small moves that add up to big ones over time if our GM is capable.

[stevemcqueen1]

I like the way Kevin Love's game would mesh with Beal's too. Love ran surprisingly effective two man game with Rubio in Minnesota despite the fact the kid was zero threat to shoot. And we've run two man game with Beal and Nene/Gortat here despite the fact neither of our bigs are much of a threat to shoot. I think Beal and Love together could run two man game for easy half court offense.

I also like the idea of Love throwing outlets to Beal and Porter. They run the floor and finish the break so well. And after some adjustment, I think Wall and Love could be a really potent fast break tandem too. Wall could adjust to running the floor without starting the break himself. And Love could adjust to leaking out on possessions where he's not the rebounder in order to get involved as a trailer.

I think Love's opportunities and good looks from three would increase a bunch if he came here, and I think he'd also get a chance to facilitate more than he did in Minnesota and Cleveland. Our wings mesh really well with his skill set and we have a pass first PG that can get him the ball in favorable spots. It's generally been true that the three point shooters we've acquired over the last four seasons have seen bumps in their efficiency and volume from three: Webster, Ariza, Butler, Dudley. But I think seeing that effect play out for Kevin Love would be particularly impactful for us because it'd come from a true power forward. If we got 150 threes from our starting PF plus 300 more from our starting SG and the SF committee, with everyone shooting near 40%, that's a ton of efficient offense.

Plus Love does a lot more on offense than just shoot threes.

[Dark Faze]

pretty clearly not a playoff team unless we're drastically different soon

[stevemcqueen1]

WTH is that 76ers logo?

[queridiculo]

Took me about a minute to even find the Wizards logo.

What's interesting to me is just how far ahead the Spurs are.

You look at the starting unit and while Leonard is clearly a standout defender, I wouldn't go so far as to say that San Antonios roster is littered with defensive standouts.

On defense in particular, coaching, execution and communication can make one hell of a difference.

[queridiculo]

WTH is that 76ers logo?

The chart isn't wide and tall enough to show them.

Edit:

It's the Jefferson looking logo it took me two minutes of scanning to find a logo I didn't recognize to make the connection.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think it's Benjamin Franklin. Note the spectacles and zany hair.

[queridiculo]

I think it's Benjamin Franklin. Note the spectacles and zany hair.

I probably should have known that given how long I've lived in this country now, Jefferson

[gambitx777]

Let's offer Denver,
Anderson, Blair, Gooden and a future lightly protected first.
For
Hickson and Barton.
I would be willing to swap gooden for Neal if they wanted. Can you imagine adding Hickson and barton to our main core That would give us a huge boost, Barton has cooled off so that means he might be available now, and Denver for some reason really wants to move hickson. Its good for them they get a little more cap room and some vet players and a pick.

[Dark Faze]

eh

not offering any kind of a first for a free agent with little value and barton who's had half a good season

[J-Ves]

pretty clearly not a playoff team unless we're drastically different soon

Fwiw, the wiz have been much better the last two weeks or so (7 games)on the offensive end. Their Ortg over that time has been 115.5.


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[gambitx777]

eh

not offering any kind of a first for a free agent with little value and barton who's had half a good season

But Hickson is an up grade over Hump and Blair for sure! And Barton is still playing well he could very well be the bench spark we need. Not to mention we dump Blair, Anderson and Gooden. All pretty much expendable to us. It does not hurt our bid for KD, plus Hickson might come back at a vet min if we get KD. This move gets us into play off shape and it covers us in case of more injuries. Our KD to DC dream is dead no matter what if we don't make noise in the playoffs, so is our play for other top free agents! Everyone is going to have cap room, we need to make a good showing and giving up a future protected first is not the end of the world for two good young players, and a dump of dead bodies. I'm not talking about this years pick either, we need to keep that no matter what imo.

[deneem4]

Rockets jus got josh smith back for nothing...
He would've been perfect for us as a small ball c and a nice running mate with wall

[nate33]

Rockets jus got josh smith back for nothing...
He would've been perfect for us as a small ball c and a nice running mate with wall

On paper, yes. But in real life, Smith has proven to be a pretty bad teammate and a really, really bad player when unmotivated. Outside of 3 months of half-decent play in Houston, he has been horrific ever since leaving Atlanta 3 years ago. If Doc Rivers, a well-respected players' coach, couldn't get him to perform on a championship caliber team in desperate need of a quality backup big, it's tough to see how Wittman would have gotten him to perform here.

[LyricalRico]

Rockets jus got josh smith back for nothing...
He would've been perfect for us as a small ball c and a nice running mate with wall

On paper, yes. But in real life, Smith has proven to be a pretty bad teammate and a really, really bad player when unmotivated. Outside of 3 months of half-decent play in Houston, he has been horrific ever since leaving Atlanta 3 years ago. If Doc Rivers, a well-respected players' coach, couldn't get him to perform on a championship caliber team in desperate need of a quality backup big, it's tough to see how Wittman would have gotten him to perform here.

Exactly. There are reasons why he was available for nothing. Not interested.

[Hidden Eye]

I would take Smith his contract isn't bad and can contribute.

[deneem4]

Rockets jus got josh smith back for nothing...
He would've been perfect for us as a small ball c and a nice running mate with wall

On paper, yes. But in real life, Smith has proven to be a pretty bad teammate and a really, really bad player when unmotivated. Outside of 3 months of half-decent play in Houston, he has been horrific ever since leaving Atlanta 3 years ago. If Doc Rivers, a well-respected players' coach, couldn't get him to perform on a championship caliber team in desperate need of a quality backup big, it's tough to see how Wittman would have gotten him to perform here.

Exactly. There are reasons why he was available for nothing. Not interested.

We need more versatility he's an expiring on a 1mil< contract...
We don't have anyone like that on our roster,
He can be our small ball c, he's playing for a contract and he's still an ok defender, when the playoffs come we will be stuck with playing porter or Dudley or Oubre on Lebrun/milsap/love/George

We're like the only team that made the semi without a versatile pf unless u count pierce, and we don't have him nor a player like him on the roster anymore considering porter is too thin(but he did good with milsap) and oubre is a rookie

We have to take chances to build a better team.
If he's not working out we cut him, simple and easy...or trade him to the cavs, honestly who they nee next to love