Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Wizardspride]

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[closg00]

Why shouldn't Trump have to answer questions under oath just like Clinton? Trump is actually quite dumb, his attorneys must **** at the idea of Trump under oath answering questions.

[Pointgod]

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Good to see Senator Feinstein wasting time on this Russia nonsense, and completely ignoring her constituents in California.

Good job, Senator. That's why you're being primaried (and ultimately replaced).

Here's actual polling from her constituents regarding Russia.

http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/new-igs-poll-california-voters-partisan-when-it-comes-to-russia-probe-trump/

You've been saying Russia is a nothing burger despite indictment after indictment and credible evidence that the Trump campaign at the very least sought out help from a foreign power. Is this the hill you want to die on?

[Zonkerbl]

It must be embarrassing and humiliating to be a Republican right now.

No sympathy of course. You made your bed, eat your cheeseburger in it.

[Pointgod]

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So long sloppy Steve. The fact that you’re a xenophobic white nationalist didn’t bring you down, but hurting Trumps fee fees did. Just a reminder that everyone who’s gone to bat for Trump eventually gets sold down the river. Republican sychopants should be taking notes.

[Pointgod]

It must be embarrassing and humiliating to be a Republican right now.

No sympathy of course. You made your bed, eat your cheeseburger in it.

You have to actually have feelings such as shame to be embarrassed. Just go on right wing twitter and look at the reactions to the Fusion GPS drop.

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Good to see Senator Feinstein wasting time on this Russia nonsense, and completely ignoring her constituents in California.

Good job, Senator. That's why you're being primaried (and ultimately replaced).

Here's actual polling from her constituents regarding Russia.

http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/new-igs-poll-california-voters-partisan-when-it-comes-to-russia-probe-trump/

You've been saying Russia is a nothing burger despite indictment after indictment and credible evidence that the Trump campaign at the very least sought out help from a foreign power. Is this the hill you want to die on?

First of all, Trump didn't collude with a foreign power. There's absolutely no evidence. Even Feinstein said it:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/05/dianne-feinstein-trump-emails-russia-no-evidence-sotu.cnn

So is this the hill you and the Democrats die on? Clearly it is.

And btw, when Trump gets impeached for collusion (which won't happen), then wake me up. Until then, it's just MSM theatre for ratings.

edit: and when Americans are polled on what issues are actually important to them, guess where Russia ranks?
http://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

[Pointgod]

Good to see Senator Feinstein wasting time on this Russia nonsense, and completely ignoring her constituents in California.

Good job, Senator. That's why you're being primaried (and ultimately replaced).

Here's actual polling from her constituents regarding Russia.

http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/new-igs-poll-california-voters-partisan-when-it-comes-to-russia-probe-trump/

You've been saying Russia is a nothing burger despite indictment after indictment and credible evidence that the Trump campaign at the very least sought out help from a foreign power. Is this the hill you want to die on?

First of all, Trump didn't collude with a foreign power. There's absolutely no evidence. Even Feinstein said it:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/05/dianne-feinstein-trump-emails-russia-no-evidence-sotu.cnn

So is this the hill you and the Democrats die on? Clearly it is.

And btw, when Trump gets impeached for collusion (which won't happen), then wake me up. Until then, it's just MSM theatre for ratings.

A few things:

I specifically said that the campaign sought help from Russia which is true. Unless you believe that Donald Trump Jr, who admitted to seeking dirt about Hillary Clinton from Russia, really took a meeting talking about adoption. A foreign spy finds out Russia tried to influence the election and reports it to the FBI, the Trump campaign finds out and says “I love it!”

In the end if Trump gets impeached it will most likely be for obstruction of justice or money laundering from his known shady business dealings. There’s nothing wrong with conducting a transparent investigation and if Republicans weren’t trying to railroad this investigation there wouldn’t be this huge cloud of suspicion.

Even if you take the media aspect out of the equation the majority of Americans believe the investigation into Russia is important. This is not a waste of time at all.

[TGW]

Here's actual polling from her constituents regarding Russia.

http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/new-igs-poll-california-voters-partisan-when-it-comes-to-russia-probe-trump/

You've been saying Russia is a nothing burger despite indictment after indictment and credible evidence that the Trump campaign at the very least sought out help from a foreign power. Is this the hill you want to die on?

First of all, Trump didn't collude with a foreign power. There's absolutely no evidence. Even Feinstein said it:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/05/dianne-feinstein-trump-emails-russia-no-evidence-sotu.cnn

So is this the hill you and the Democrats die on? Clearly it is.

And btw, when Trump gets impeached for collusion (which won't happen), then wake me up. Until then, it's just MSM theatre for ratings.

A few things:

I specifically said that the campaign sought help from Russia which is true. Unless you believe that Donald Trump Jr, who admitted to seeking dirt about Hillary Clinton from Russia, really took a meeting talking about adoption. A foreign spy finds out Russia tried to influence the election and reports it to the FBI, the Trump campaign finds out and says “I love it!”

In the end if Trump gets impeached it will most likely be for obstruction of justice or money laundering from his known shady business dealings. There’s nothing wrong with conducting a transparent investigation and if Republicans weren’t trying to railroad this investigation there wouldn’t be this huge cloud of suspicion.

Even if you take the media aspect out of the equation the majority of Americans believe the investigation into Russia is important. This is not a waste of time at all.

No, they don't. Click the link I gave you.
http://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

And if the end-goal isn't impeachment, it's a waste of time.

[JWizmentality]

Please, collusion is the least of Trumps worries. It's the money laundering stupid.

[stilldropin20]

First of all, Trump didn't collude with a foreign power. There's absolutely no evidence. Even Feinstein said it:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/05/dianne-feinstein-trump-emails-russia-no-evidence-sotu.cnn

So is this the hill you and the Democrats die on? Clearly it is.

And btw, when Trump gets impeached for collusion (which won't happen), then wake me up. Until then, it's just MSM theatre for ratings.

A few things:

I specifically said that the campaign sought help from Russia which is true. Unless you believe that Donald Trump Jr, who admitted to seeking dirt about Hillary Clinton from Russia, really took a meeting talking about adoption. A foreign spy finds out Russia tried to influence the election and reports it to the FBI, the Trump campaign finds out and says “I love it!”

In the end if Trump gets impeached it will most likely be for obstruction of justice or money laundering from his known shady business dealings. There’s nothing wrong with conducting a transparent investigation and if Republicans weren’t trying to railroad this investigation there wouldn’t be this huge cloud of suspicion.

Even if you take the media aspect out of the equation the majority of Americans believe the investigation into Russia is important. This is not a waste of time at all.

No, they don't. Click the link I gave you.
http://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

And if the end-goal isn't impeachment, it's a waste of time.

exactly. If trump colluded, we would know about it right now. It would be out there in black and white for everyone to read. Heck, would have been out before january 20th 2017. The Obama DOJ was all over this. And there was nothing there.

The whole idea of this investigation was to slow him down, frustrate him, an dget him to do something impulsive. and rake him through the coals along the way so as to dirty him up and take him down in 2020.

But here's the problem. He was able to govern just fine through all of that and is now governing the shxt out of this white house. He has his sea legs and is clearly starting to enjoy his presidency. The man is efficient. What's more is the GOP knows they may lose the either house or senate or both so they fully plan on getting DACA, the wall, immigration reform, then infrastructure done all within the next 6 months. If not 3-4 months. Then take on entitlement reform. All before any new dems even take office in December 2018. basically everything will be done. Trump would then like to get another swing at obamacare at the end of 2018 and into 2019. but if he gets all of the other stuff done, frankly, he wont give a rats azz about Obamacare. It is effectively defunded and will die a slow death. the (only)signature legislation will become and albatross. Trump will end up with 6 or 7 major signature legislation triumphs along the way. and quickly. GOAT!!!

The only things that will be sweeter than those signature legislative victories is if he:

1. brings N Korea to their knees
2. the Iranian people successfully revolt and overthrow the theocratic government and bring democracy back as the US aid them at "the right time." per trump.
3. Peace in the Gaza strip is achieved via the US moving the Israeli embassy to jerusalem and other countries follow suit. Imagine if it was this simple?
4. The US significantly pulls back on world aid, saving the US tax payer lots of future Trillions.
5. Through entitlement reform we balance the budget.

[stilldropin20]

stay safe. get to high ground! God speed.

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[stilldropin20]

Hey remember when the left wing nutcases at CNN tried to get us all hot and bothered about how dangerous it was to have Bannon as the "2nd most powerful man in the world?" yeah good times.

Here's the take home message: You mess with a bull, you get the horns!

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[stilldropin20]

Hnry Davis is hilarious!! But mostly extremely informative and this is how people in chicago feel. Love larry elder!! Great Man!!

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[stilldropin20]

Good to see Senator Feinstein wasting time on this Russia nonsense, and completely ignoring her constituents in California.

Good job, Senator. That's why you're being primaried (and ultimately replaced).

Here's actual polling from her constituents regarding Russia.

http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/new-igs-poll-california-voters-partisan-when-it-comes-to-russia-probe-trump/

You've been saying Russia is a nothing burger despite indictment after indictment and credible evidence that the Trump campaign at the very least sought out help from a foreign power. Is this the hill you want to die on?

First of all, Trump didn't collude with a foreign power. There's absolutely no evidence. Even Feinstein said it:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/05/dianne-feinstein-trump-emails-russia-no-evidence-sotu.cnn

So is this the hill you and the Democrats die on? Clearly it is.

And btw, when Trump gets impeached for collusion (which won't happen), then wake me up. Until then, it's just MSM theatre for ratings.

edit: and when Americans are polled on what issues are actually important to them, guess where Russia ranks?
http://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

here's why Feinstein released the statement. to save the FBI agents and other democrats from committing lies (or from telling the truth). They now know where they have cover. This is a clear obstruction of justice. this is an ongoing investigation. there was no need to release this other than to provide cover.

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[Ruzious]

Hey remember when the left wing nutcases at CNN tried to get us all hot and bothered about how dangerous it was to have Bannon as the "2nd most powerful man in the world?" yeah good times.

Here's the take home message: You mess with a bull, you get the horns!

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How did you not realize you were talking out of both of your holes when you posted that? Or is it that you did, but you just don't give a f? Who was the clown that hired Bannon and gave him access to the WH?

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[Zonkerbl]

If Trump's staff colluded with Russia, Trump either knew about it and sanctioned it, or he didn't know about it and is a completely incompetent boob (which, unfortunately, is not illegal). But there's no doubt that some members of Trump's staff colluded with Russia to illegally dig up dirt from the DNC, and the only question now is how much Trump knew about it. The possibility of collusion by Trump (to be more precise, aiding and abetting a foreign power in illegally influencing an election) is still very much an open question. The more strongly Trump publicly denies it the more suspicious I am that he is lying. The dude is a habitual liar - given the whoppers that have come out of his mouth (e.g. about Obama personally ordering Trump tower to be wiretapped), to the endless stream of lies coming from him and his administration every day, I have absolutely no reason to take Trump at his word that there was no collusion. Naively asserting "But Trump says there was no collusion" is not in the slightest persuasive.

[Zonkerbl]

To me the main problem the Trump administration has is they have no idea what is and what isn't illegal, because they don't care. It's entirely possible they blithely broke the law on a whole bunch of things and the Russia one is the only one he publicly bragged about, so that's the one we're pursuing them on. But he's already in blatant violation of the emoluments clause, for example. I think if the Democrats take over the house in 2018 he will be immediately impeached.