Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread

[DCZards]

I really hope we don't toss away beal unless he forces the team to. IMO you hold on to him and work out a way to rid your self of wall.

You really can't--and shouldn't--decide what to do with Wall until he returns and you see how healthy he is and how well he plays. That probably won't be until near the end of next season or the start of the 2020-21 season. By that time, the Zards will likely have two additional lottery picks on the roster, an experienced and, hopefully, developed Bryant and Brown, and Beal at around his peak at age 27. Don't know for sure what the other pieces will be at the time, but I'm guessing Sato and Parker will be in the mix.

As others have said, trading an all-NBA level player like Beal and hoping to find a player or two with his ability (not to mention his mentality and leadership) with a couple of mid- or late-first round picks is a huge gamble.

[DCZards]

We go young, 4 rookies, keep guys like Brown Jr, Sato, Bryant, Dekker... And end up in the lottery next season with a top 3 pick in 2020. Hope Wall comes back to a level we can move him. Get Mahinmi off the books. Then this team is on track to make a move 2020 and beyond.

I mean we can keep Beal as our star... But people aren't going to go to Cap One to see Beal and a team that sucks, and they aren't going to challenge for anything, maybe an 8th seed. What's the point of that??

Fans are even less likely to go to Cap One to see a team with no star (Beal) and a bunch of role players who would be lucky to win 25 games. You have no idea as to whether the Zards will get a top 3 pick in 2020 or if that pick would even come close to being as good as Beal.

At least with Beal, you know you have at least one all-NBA level player to build around.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

So Beal has 2 years left. Next season is basically shot. Then that gives you 1 year 20/21 with Wall back to see what you can do with Wall and Beal. With Wall's contract I'm not sure what you can put around them. Will you be able to give Beal a super max deal too to keep him longer? How is this going to work?

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ... Added to Bryant , Sato, Brown Jr., Dekker.

Our chances of hitting on something big are increased...

Ok so let's say we put our eggs into the Beal basket... Now what happens if he goes down with stress injuries in his ankles or worse... Then we have 2 max contracts on the bench and no team.

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bradley-beal-out-at-least-two-weeks-stress-reaction-right-leg/284650

[SUPERBALLMAN]

We go young, 4 rookies, keep guys like Brown Jr, Sato, Bryant, Dekker... And end up in the lottery next season with a top 3 pick in 2020. Hope Wall comes back to a level we can move him. Get Mahinmi off the books. Then this team is on track to make a move 2020 and beyond.

I mean we can keep Beal as our star... But people aren't going to go to Cap One to see Beal and a team that sucks, and they aren't going to challenge for anything, maybe an 8th seed. What's the point of that??

Fans are even less likely to go to Cap One to see a team with no star (Beal) and a bunch of role players who would be lucky to win 25 games. You have no idea as to whether the Zards will get a top 3 pick in 2020 or if that pick would even come close to being as good as Beal.

At least with Beal, you know you have at least one all-NBA level player to build around.

Like I said, it won't happen. I see the Wizards trying to patch things around Beal, like you say. I even posted the idea on the Celtics board and got the same response that blowing it up is the logical course of action but the Wizards FO won't be logical, and won't trade Beal.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

We go young, 4 rookies, keep guys like Brown Jr, Sato, Bryant, Dekker... And end up in the lottery next season with a top 3 pick in 2020. Hope Wall comes back to a level we can move him. Get Mahinmi off the books. Then this team is on track to make a move 2020 and beyond.

I mean we can keep Beal as our star... But people aren't going to go to Cap One to see Beal and a team that sucks, and they aren't going to challenge for anything, maybe an 8th seed. What's the point of that??

Fans are even less likely to go to Cap One to see a team with no star (Beal) and a bunch of role players who would be lucky to win 25 games. You have no idea as to whether the Zards will get a top 3 pick in 2020 or if that pick would even come close to being as good as Beal.

At least with Beal, you know you have at least one all-NBA level player to build around.

Well if they win less than 25 games, they would probably have a top 3 pick... That's the idea.

[gambitx777]

I really hope we don't toss away beal unless he forces the team to. IMO you hold on to him and work out a way to rid your self of wall.

You really can't--and shouldn't--decide what to do with Wall until he returns and you see how healthy he is and how well he plays. That probably won't be until near the end of next season or the start of the 2020-21 season. By that time, the Zards will likely have two additional lottery picks on the roster, an experienced and, hopefully, developed Bryant and Brown, and Beal at around his peak at age 27. Don't know for sure what the other pieces will be at the time, but I'm guessing Sato and Parker will be in the mix.

As others have said, trading an all-NBA level player like Beal and hoping to find a player or two with his ability (not to mention his mentality and leadership) with a couple of mid- or late-first round picks is a huge gamble.

Honestly, I personally think we should move on from wall either way based on the locker room implications of him being here. I don't think he is a bad player. I hope he comes back and is the wall of old, but honestly I would rather just move on.

[wco81]

So Beal has 2 years left. Next season is basically shot. Then that gives you 1 year 20/21 with Wall back to see what you can do with Wall and Beal. With Wall's contract I'm not sure what you can put around them. Will you be able to give Beal a super max deal too to keep him longer? How is this going to work?

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ... Added to Bryant , Sato, Brown Jr., Dekker.

Our chances of hitting on something big are increased...

Ok so let's say we put our eggs into the Beal basket... Now what happens if he goes down with stress injuries in his ankles or worse... Then we have 2 max contracts on the bench and no team.

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bradley-beal-out-at-least-two-weeks-stress-reaction-right-leg/284650

Haven't we already seen what they can do? They won about 50 games a couple of seasons ago, made it to the second round of the playoffs once or twice and pushed the Celtics to 7 games one year.

Are they going to be better collectively than they were before Wall's injury? Maybe or maybe they will get better supporting cast.

But they're comparable to the Trailblazers, another team dominated by their backcourt, which has had pretty limited success in the playoffs. With much higher salaries now, it's pretty difficult if not impossible to add significant players, especially if the owner isn't willing to spend, as some posts here seem to suggest.

You really need to hit on a great rookie like Donovan Mitchell or a big improvement in a player chosen late in the first round, like Siakam.

But of course the odds of getting a star young player is better when you draft in the top 5 or even top 3. Wizards could contend for the top 4 seed next season if everything goes right. But man the top 5 in the East this year have a lot of good young talent.

Which of these teams can the Wizards beat out for the top 4 seeds or defeat in a first-round matchup in the next two seasons?

[Ruzious]

I really hope we don't toss away beal unless he forces the team to. IMO you hold on to him and work out a way to rid your self of wall.

You really can't--and shouldn't--decide what to do with Wall until he returns and you see how healthy he is and how well he plays. That probably won't be until near the end of next season or the start of the 2020-21 season. By that time, the Zards will likely have two additional lottery picks on the roster, an experienced and, hopefully, developed Bryant and Brown, and Beal at around his peak at age 27. Don't know for sure what the other pieces will be at the time, but I'm guessing Sato and Parker will be in the mix.

As others have said, trading an all-NBA level player like Beal and hoping to find a player or two with his ability (not to mention his mentality and leadership) with a couple of mid- or late-first round picks is a huge gamble.

Honestly, I personally think we should move on from wall either way based on the locker room implications of him being here. I don't think he is a bad player. I hope he comes back and is the wall of old, but honestly I would rather just move on.

There's no moving on from that contract unless he plays exceptionally well and another team gives up their own horrible contracts to get him. 4 years, 170 mil. Might as well just accept it and hope he makes a full comeback.

[nate33]

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ...

Words can't describe what a horrible idea this is. Stop. Please stop! Step away from the keyboard. I'm going to have to save this and repost it three years from now.

First of all, you are not getting Garland, Clark and Doumbouya at 14, 19 and 21. At least two of those guys will be gone before #14. Secondly, none of those guys are going to be half as good as Beal.

As I've said before, I'm open-minded to trading Beal for picks, but the package of picks must be exceptional, not 3 late firsts. We need two high lotto picks plus another pick, or an extremely good young player plus a high pick. Something like Markkanan and the Chicago lotto pick, or Ayton plus the Phoenix pick is what I'm talking about. Not the freaking 14, 19 and 21 picks.

Trading Beal is an option, but not a necessity. There is no reason to sell low on him. He is really good, still young, and wants to stay here. He's the best player we've had since Arenas, and for the past 40 games, he has been 2nd best player we've had since Wes freaking Unseld. And you want to trade him for 14, 19 and 21? WTF?

[nate33]

We go young, 4 rookies, keep guys like Brown Jr, Sato, Bryant, Dekker... And end up in the lottery next season with a top 3 pick in 2020. Hope Wall comes back to a level we can move him. Get Mahinmi off the books. Then this team is on track to make a move 2020 and beyond.

I mean we can keep Beal as our star... But people aren't going to go to Cap One to see Beal and a team that sucks, and they aren't going to challenge for anything, maybe an 8th seed. What's the point of that??

Fans are even less likely to go to Cap One to see a team with no star (Beal) and a bunch of role players who would be lucky to win 25 games. You have no idea as to whether the Zards will get a top 3 pick in 2020 or if that pick would even come close to being as good as Beal.

At least with Beal, you know you have at least one all-NBA level player to build around.

Well if they win less than 25 games, they would probably have a top 3 pick... That's the idea.

Except that with the new, flattened lottery odds, Winning 25 fewer games barely gives us a better chance at a top 3 pick.

If the Wizards would have just cut Beal's minutes to 32 after the Charlotte loss on March 8th (which made the playoffs all but impossible), they would now be tied with the Mavericks for the 6th worst record. The 6th worst team has a 37.2% chance of a top 4 pick. The worst team has a 52.1% chance of a top 4 pick. I'd much rather have Beal, have a 60-game season where I actually cared about the team (before tanking at the end) and have a 37% chance at a pick, then toil is misery for an entire season, have no star talent on the roster and have a 52% chance at a top 4 pick.

Tanking is no longer a sure bet to prosperity. It's better to be Dallas or Washington, with a 37% chance at a top 4 pick AND an actual star on the roster, than it is to be Phoenix or Cleveland, with a 52% chance at a top 4 pick and no stars on the roster

[DCZards]

Ok so let's say we put our eggs into the Beal basket... Now what happens if he goes down with stress injuries in his ankles or worse... Then we have 2 max contracts on the bench and no team.

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bradley-beal-out-at-least-two-weeks-stress-reaction-right-leg/284650

That's right. Let's just strengthen our weak case by conjuring up something that happened 4 years ago, ignoring the fact that Beal has played like a million straight games since then.

[Illmatic12]

So Beal has 2 years left. Next season is basically shot. Then that gives you 1 year 20/21 with Wall back to see what you can do with Wall and Beal. With Wall's contract I'm not sure what you can put around them. Will you be able to give Beal a super max deal too to keep him longer? How is this going to work?

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ... Added to Bryant , Sato, Brown Jr., Dekker.

Our chances of hitting on something big are increased...

Ok so let's say we put our eggs into the Beal basket... Now what happens if he goes down with stress injuries in his ankles or worse... Then we have 2 max contracts on the bench and no team.

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bradley-beal-out-at-least-two-weeks-stress-reaction-right-leg/284650

That is absolutely trash return for Bradley Beal .
If you could get an All-NBA player for 3 mid-firsts, every team would do that all day .

We should've traded Troy Brown , Kelly Oubre and a lotto protected pick for Karl Anthony Towns . Damn, missed our opportunity

[Dat2U]

So Beal has 2 years left. Next season is basically shot. Then that gives you 1 year 20/21 with Wall back to see what you can do with Wall and Beal. With Wall's contract I'm not sure what you can put around them. Will you be able to give Beal a super max deal too to keep him longer? How is this going to work?

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ... Added to Bryant , Sato, Brown Jr., Dekker.

Our chances of hitting on something big are increased...

Ok so let's say we put our eggs into the Beal basket... Now what happens if he goes down with stress injuries in his ankles or worse... Then we have 2 max contracts on the bench and no team.

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bradley-beal-out-at-least-two-weeks-stress-reaction-right-leg/284650

I'm on the trade Beal bandwagon but my God, you have to do better than 3 mid-to-late 1sts! The odds of getting anyone as good as Beal is right now in that range is slim. It can happen, but it doesn't happen often.

I know the draft geek says get as many picks as possible but there's so much value left on table.

A top 3 pick, a solid young player & a future 1st with little protection should be a minimum starting point.

[Dat2U]

I really hope we don't toss away beal unless he forces the team to. IMO you hold on to him and work out a way to rid your self of wall.

You really can't--and shouldn't--decide what to do with Wall until he returns and you see how healthy he is and how well he plays. That probably won't be until near the end of next season or the start of the 2020-21 season. By that time, the Zards will likely have two additional lottery picks on the roster, an experienced and, hopefully, developed Bryant and Brown, and Beal at around his peak at age 27. Don't know for sure what the other pieces will be at the time, but I'm guessing Sato and Parker will be in the mix.

As others have said, trading an all-NBA level player like Beal and hoping to find a player or two with his ability (not to mention his mentality and leadership) with a couple of mid- or late-first round picks is a huge gamble.

Honestly, I personally think we should move on from wall either way based on the locker room implications of him being here. I don't think he is a bad player. I hope he comes back and is the wall of old, but honestly I would rather just move on.

No one is going to willingly accept paying the super max for the next 4 years on a dude with a freshly torn achillies. It's a discussion we can only have after he returns and demonstrates he's still useful.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ...

Words can't describe what a horrible idea this is. Stop. Please stop! Step away from the keyboard. I'm going to have to save this and repost it three years from now.

First of all, you are not getting Garland, Clark and Doumbouya at 14, 19 and 21. At least two of those guys will be gone before #14. Secondly, none of those guys are going to be half as good as Beal.

As I've said before, I'm open-minded to trading Beal for picks, but the package of picks must be exceptional, not 3 late firsts. We need two high lotto picks plus another pick, or an extremely good young player plus a high pick. Something like Markkanan and the Chicago lotto pick, or Ayton plus the Phoenix pick is what I'm talking about. Not the freaking 14, 19 and 21 picks.

Trading Beal is an option, but not a necessity. There is no reason to sell low on him. He is really good, still young, and wants to stay here. He's the best player we've had since Arenas, and for the past 40 games, he has been 2nd best player we've had since Wes freaking Unseld. And you want to trade him for 14, 19 and 21? WTF?

I think you've forgotten someone by the name of MICHAEL JORDAN, and perhaps Chris Webber...

I think you are over valuing Beal. He is undersized for his position. He is not a good ball handler. He is terrible defensively. He is neutralized by bigger more athletic defenders, see Demar Derozan. He's not an explosively athletic player. Right now he's putting up big numbers on a bad team. Just like Jabari Parker.

[Dat2U]

We go young, 4 rookies, keep guys like Brown Jr, Sato, Bryant, Dekker... And end up in the lottery next season with a top 3 pick in 2020. Hope Wall comes back to a level we can move him. Get Mahinmi off the books. Then this team is on track to make a move 2020 and beyond.

I mean we can keep Beal as our star... But people aren't going to go to Cap One to see Beal and a team that sucks, and they aren't going to challenge for anything, maybe an 8th seed. What's the point of that??

Fans are even less likely to go to Cap One to see a team with no star (Beal) and a bunch of role players who would be lucky to win 25 games. You have no idea as to whether the Zards will get a top 3 pick in 2020 or if that pick would even come close to being as good as Beal.

At least with Beal, you know you have at least one all-NBA level player to build around.

Fans go to games now? I heard I could get VIP seats for dirt cheap if I wanted to waste 3 hours of my life.

[Dat2U]

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ...

Words can't describe what a horrible idea this is. Stop. Please stop! Step away from the keyboard. I'm going to have to save this and repost it three years from now.

First of all, you are not getting Garland, Clark and Doumbouya at 14, 19 and 21. At least two of those guys will be gone before #14. Secondly, none of those guys are going to be half as good as Beal.

As I've said before, I'm open-minded to trading Beal for picks, but the package of picks must be exceptional, not 3 late firsts. We need two high lotto picks plus another pick, or an extremely good young player plus a high pick. Something like Markkanan and the Chicago lotto pick, or Ayton plus the Phoenix pick is what I'm talking about. Not the freaking 14, 19 and 21 picks.

Trading Beal is an option, but not a necessity. There is no reason to sell low on him. He is really good, still young, and wants to stay here. He's the best player we've had since Arenas, and for the past 40 games, he has been 2nd best player we've had since Wes freaking Unseld. And you want to trade him for 14, 19 and 21? WTF?

I think you've forgotten someone by the name of MICHAEL JORDAN, and perhaps Chris Webber...

I think you are over valuing Beal. He is undersized for his position. He is not a good ball handler. He is terrible defensively. He is neutralized by bigger more athletic defenders, see Demar Derozan. He's not an explosively athletic player. Right now he's putting up big numbers on a bad team. Just like Jabari Parker.

Doesnt matter if he's overvaluing Beal. You are significantly undervaluing him compared to how the rest of the league views him. The offers for Beal would be far better than the mid-to-late picks your suggesting.

[nate33]

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ...

Words can't describe what a horrible idea this is. Stop. Please stop! Step away from the keyboard. I'm going to have to save this and repost it three years from now.

First of all, you are not getting Garland, Clark and Doumbouya at 14, 19 and 21. At least two of those guys will be gone before #14. Secondly, none of those guys are going to be half as good as Beal.

As I've said before, I'm open-minded to trading Beal for picks, but the package of picks must be exceptional, not 3 late firsts. We need two high lotto picks plus another pick, or an extremely good young player plus a high pick. Something like Markkanan and the Chicago lotto pick, or Ayton plus the Phoenix pick is what I'm talking about. Not the freaking 14, 19 and 21 picks.

Trading Beal is an option, but not a necessity. There is no reason to sell low on him. He is really good, still young, and wants to stay here. He's the best player we've had since Arenas, and for the past 40 games, he has been 2nd best player we've had since Wes freaking Unseld. And you want to trade him for 14, 19 and 21? WTF?

I think you've forgotten someone by the name of MICHAEL JORDAN, and perhaps Chris Webber...

I think you are over valuing Beal. He is undersized for his position. He is not a good ball handler. He is terrible defensively. He is neutralized by bigger more athletic defenders, see Demar Derozan. He's not an explosively athletic player. Right now he's putting up big numbers on a bad team. Just like Jabari Parker.

Beal is easily better than 40 year old Michael Jordan. And when has Beal been shut down by Demar Derozan?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

So Beal has 2 years left. Next season is basically shot. Then that gives you 1 year 20/21 with Wall back to see what you can do with Wall and Beal. With Wall's contract I'm not sure what you can put around them. Will you be able to give Beal a super max deal too to keep him longer? How is this going to work?

If you can move Beal now for the Celtics picks 14, 19, 21... We can maybe come out of the draft with something like, Garland, Herro, Clarke, Doumbouya ... Added to Bryant , Sato, Brown Jr., Dekker.

Our chances of hitting on something big are increased...

Ok so let's say we put our eggs into the Beal basket... Now what happens if he goes down with stress injuries in his ankles or worse... Then we have 2 max contracts on the bench and no team.

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bradley-beal-out-at-least-two-weeks-stress-reaction-right-leg/284650

I'm on the trade Beal bandwagon but my God, you have to do better than 3 mid-to-late 1sts! The odds of getting anyone as good as Beal is right now in that range is slim. It can happen, but it doesn't happen often.

I know the draft geek says get as many picks as possible but there's so much value left on table.

A top 3 pick, a solid young player & a future 1st with little protection should be a minimum starting point.

The reason why you deal him is with Wall, we can't afford him. At least we can't afford them both AND put a legit team around them, and with Wall's injury we won't be good next year regardless. We need rookie contracts.

It like the Redskins with Alex Smith.. They need a new quarterback on a rookie deal.

So the best best is to get draft picks, low salaries, potential upside. Of course it's a gamble. What about the Hawks with picks 5 & 6 ?? But would they be interested they are also rebuilding...

I mean what deal would you make?? The Lakers for Ball and picks??? I like the 3 picks because I think you can get a gem in That 14-21 range. Maybe I'm wrong. But the team I'm watching vs the Bulls last night with Beal is just horrendous.

[DCZards]

I think you've forgotten someone by the name of MICHAEL JORDAN, and perhaps Chris Webber...

I think you are over valuing Beal. He is undersized for his position. He is not a good ball handler. He is terrible defensively. He is neutralized by bigger more athletic defenders, see Demar Derozan. He's not an explosively athletic player. Right now he's putting up big numbers on a bad team. Just like Jabari Parker.

So now we’ve reached the let's trash Beal with falsehoods phase of your weak argument. Undersized? He's 6-5 just like Harden. Terrible defensively? Nonsense. Not as athletic as DeRozan? More nonsense.