Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

[I_Like_Dirt]

Jones is a 27-year-old journeyman forward who played a total of 400 minutes in the last two seasons combined. I guess they think he's better than Justin Anderson.

I think it's more likely they're signing him for the GoGo than for the season. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson didn't want to play for the GoGo or something like that and was only really interested in an NBA contract.

This was clearly going to be a development season once Sheppard got going. It's like the Orioles trying to restock their non-existent farm team after Duquette. They might still surprise but they aren't actively trying to shore up all their weaknesses and are looking for ways to find guys roles and develop them more than anything.

On the wing, Beal, Rui, Brown, Miles, Bonga, Schoefield and McCrae make for an odd but reasonably well-stocked roster. Unless the team was going to cut any of those guys, as you were of a mind, there really wasn't room for anyone else and while I think Anderson and Jones were alright and have their strengths, they've been bouncing around for a reason. Doesn't make them bad players - they just haven't done enough to really catch on. Wings are likely going to be GoGo bound unless they're good enough to be established NBA players right away or amazing prospects that won't be found on the waiver wire.

Conversely, the Wizards do actually have spots for bigs and PGs to get a bit of time. Wall is out for the season. IT will be back eventually but is likely to suffer his share of injuries. Ish Smith is okay but not amazing. That's it... Chiozza and Robinson don't wow me but they have an opportunity to try and seize there. I suspect Rui will play some PF to open up some time on the wings depending on who is healthy when, but Mahinmi isn't going to play much if at all. Bryant and Bertans are both good but aren't a frontcourt unto themselves. Wagner is going to get his chances and the Wizards are right to find another player or two who might earn such an opportunity along the way, too. It's not always about who was the bigger name. A guy like Chris Boucher on the Raptors isn't amazing but isn't necessarily worse or with less potential than guys like Christian Wood or Dragan Bender who are both younger and had more draft name recognition. Torrey Craig was relatively solid for the Nuggets last season. Players can take different paths and be solid role players. Not everyone has to have star potential.

[nate33]

Jones is a 27-year-old journeyman forward who played a total of 400 minutes in the last two seasons combined. I guess they think he's better than Justin Anderson.

I think it's more likely they're signing him for the GoGo than for the season. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson didn't want to play for the GoGo or something like that and was only really interested in an NBA contract.

This was clearly going to be a development season once Sheppard got going. It's like the Orioles trying to restock their non-existent farm team after Duquette. They might still surprise but they aren't actively trying to shore up all their weaknesses and are looking for ways to find guys roles and develop them more than anything.

On the wing, Beal, Rui, Brown, Miles, Bonga, Schoefield and McCrae make for an odd but reasonably well-stocked roster. Unless the team was going to cut any of those guys, as you were of a mind, there really wasn't room for anyone else and while I think Anderson and Jones were alright and have their strengths, they've been bouncing around for a reason. Doesn't make them bad players - they just haven't done enough to really catch on. Wings are likely going to be GoGo bound unless they're good enough to be established NBA players right away or amazing prospects that won't be found on the waiver wire.

Conversely, the Wizards do actually have spots for bigs and PGs to get a bit of time. Wall is out for the season. IT will be back eventually but is likely to suffer his share of injuries. Ish Smith is okay but not amazing. That's it... Chiozza and Robinson don't wow me but they have an opportunity to try and seize there. I suspect Rui will play some PF to open up some time on the wings depending on who is healthy when, but Mahinmi isn't going to play much if at all. Bryant and Bertans are both good but aren't a frontcourt unto themselves. Wagner is going to get his chances and the Wizards are right to find another player or two who might earn such an opportunity along the way, too. It's not always about who was the bigger name. A guy like Chris Boucher on the Raptors isn't amazing but isn't necessarily worse or with less potential than guys like Christian Wood or Dragan Bender who are both younger and had more draft name recognition. Torrey Craig was relatively solid for the Nuggets last season. Players can take different paths and be solid role players. Not everyone has to have star potential.

Sorry. That argument doesn't make sense. We are keeping 4 guys who are only capable of playing one position on the floor: Ish, IT, Chiozza and Robinson (not to mention Wall). And Beal and Brown can also play there in a pinch. PG is covered.

The only natural SF's on the roster who actually belong in the NBA and not the G-League are Brown and Miles, and they're both hurt. We're talking about starting the season with freaking Isaac Bonga and Admiral Schofield combining to play 30+ minutes a night.

I think it's a big mistake. From what I saw, Justin Anderson looked good enough to play rotation minutes in the NBA. Maybe there's an off-the-court issue I'm not aware of, but on the court, he looked pretty solid to me. Meanwhile, there's no justification for keeping both Chiozza and Robinson. We're not going to play either one of them once IT gets back. We certainly don't need both. Keep Chiozza is you are going by on-the-court effectiveness in preseason. Keep Robinson if you a pinching pennies and prefer to keep the guy with a guaranteed contract.

[JWizmentality]

This is interesting .. could they actually be cutting Mahinmi to add him?

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Good lord this dude was straight trash in summer league. Worse than Wagner. What the actual f*ck?!? Why?!?

[JWizmentality]

Jones is a 27-year-old journeyman forward who played a total of 400 minutes in the last two seasons combined. I guess they think he's better than Justin Anderson.

I think it's more likely they're signing him for the GoGo than for the season. I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson didn't want to play for the GoGo or something like that and was only really interested in an NBA contract.

This was clearly going to be a development season once Sheppard got going. It's like the Orioles trying to restock their non-existent farm team after Duquette. They might still surprise but they aren't actively trying to shore up all their weaknesses and are looking for ways to find guys roles and develop them more than anything.

On the wing, Beal, Rui, Brown, Miles, Bonga, Schoefield and McCrae make for an odd but reasonably well-stocked roster. Unless the team was going to cut any of those guys, as you were of a mind, there really wasn't room for anyone else and while I think Anderson and Jones were alright and have their strengths, they've been bouncing around for a reason. Doesn't make them bad players - they just haven't done enough to really catch on. Wings are likely going to be GoGo bound unless they're good enough to be established NBA players right away or amazing prospects that won't be found on the waiver wire.

Conversely, the Wizards do actually have spots for bigs and PGs to get a bit of time. Wall is out for the season. IT will be back eventually but is likely to suffer his share of injuries. Ish Smith is okay but not amazing. That's it... Chiozza and Robinson don't wow me but they have an opportunity to try and seize there. I suspect Rui will play some PF to open up some time on the wings depending on who is healthy when, but Mahinmi isn't going to play much if at all. Bryant and Bertans are both good but aren't a frontcourt unto themselves. Wagner is going to get his chances and the Wizards are right to find another player or two who might earn such an opportunity along the way, too. It's not always about who was the bigger name. A guy like Chris Boucher on the Raptors isn't amazing but isn't necessarily worse or with less potential than guys like Christian Wood or Dragan Bender who are both younger and had more draft name recognition. Torrey Craig was relatively solid for the Nuggets last season. Players can take different paths and be solid role players. Not everyone has to have star potential.

Sorry. That argument doesn't make sense. We are keeping 4 guys who are only capable of playing one position on the floor: Ish, IT, Chiozza and Robinson (not to mention Wall). And Beal and Brown can also play there in a pinch. PG is covered.

The only natural SF's on the roster who actually belong in the NBA and not the G-League are Brown and Miles, and they're both hurt. We're talking about starting the season with freaking Isaac Bonga or Admiral Schofield combining to play 30+ minutes a night.

I think it's a big mistake. From what I saw, Justin Anderson looked good enough to play rotation minutes in the NBA. Maybe there's an off-the-court issue I'm not aware of, but on the court, he looked pretty solid to me. Meanwhile, there's no justification for keeping both Chiozza and Robinson. We're not going to play either one of them once IT gets back. We certainly don't need both. Keep Chiozza is you are going by on-the-court effectiveness in preseason. Keep Robinson if you a pinching pennies and prefer to keep the guy with a guaranteed contract.

Yup, none of these moves make any god damn sense. Who the hell is Jalen frikkin Jones?

[JWizmentality]

I believe Anderson was waived due to politics.

Please explain.

Because the guy you picked up off the street is better than the guy you drafted.

[nuposse04]

Seems to be more allegiances to who they drafted then who as produced in preseason... or... low key tank moves?

I don't know if they are counting on some other SFs to be waived, but Anderson deserved a roster spot. Would it still be possible to resign him once they've become acutely aware of their folly?

I actually like the selfless nature of Bonga but he ain't ready to start, don't care if he looks 35 or not.

[JWizmentality]

Seems to be more allegiances to who they drafted then who as produced in preseason... or... low key tank moves?

I don't know if they are counting on some other SFs to be waived, but Anderson deserved a roster spot. Would it still be possible to resign him once they've become acutely aware of their folly?

I actually like the selfless nature of Bonga but he ain't ready to start, don't care if he looks 35 or not.

Unless there were some character issues with Anderson, that's a bad look to cut a guy who has been playing really well only to pick up some nobody.

[payitforward]

Anderson played well, yes. More importantly, he also played well in 2015-16 as a rookie, & in both his 2d & 3d year as well.

The only real knock on him has been his lack of skill shooting 3's. He seemed to show this Summer that he'd worked on that & fixed the problem.

We have 13 guaranteed contracts, & Robinson has a partial guarantee -- those guys were always going to be here. Until & unless we get the TPA we've applied for, that leaves only one roster spot, which seems to be reserved for Jordan McRae. That's it. That's 15. No one else can be kept. So, we can't be surprised that they let Anderson go.

Yet... why is a roster spot reserved for McRae? I would certainly have kept Anderson over him. Maybe Anderson's agent has something else worked out for him? We'll find out.

In any case, Jalen Jones is irrelevant. He's just here for pre-season -- our roster is full.

Pasecniks being signed is beyond me. What has he shown? Where? Still, I can imagine why they might give him some run as a 2 way player.

I'm sorry to see Jemerrio Jones go.

One more point about Justin Anderson. He'd be a lot more useful than C.J. Miles has any chance to be, that's for sure. & that is another indication that we'd have been way better off simply waiving Dwight Howard rather than trading him away.

Had we done so, we'd be paying his $5.3m salary minus the $1.65m he signed for with LA -- a net of $3.65m in other words. Presumably, in that case we'd be keeping Justin Anderson & paying him $1.65m. IOW, our net cost would be $5.3m, & we'd have Justin Anderson as a 3.

Instead, our net cost is $7.3m, & we have C.J. Miles as a 3. Pretty bad work on Tommy's part, alas.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I’m close-ish to the UVA b-ball program. Never a negative word about Anderson.

[nuposse04]

One more point about Justin Anderson. He'd be a lot more useful than C.J. Miles has any chance to be, that's for sure. & that is another indication that we'd have been way better off simply waiving Dwight Howard rather than trading him away.

Had we done so, we'd be paying his $5.3m salary minus the $1.65m he signed for with LA -- a net of $3.65m in other words. Presumably, in that case we'd be keeping Justin Anderson & paying him $1.65m. IOW, our net cost would be $5.3m, & we'd have Justin Anderson as a 3.

Instead, our net cost is $7.3m, & we have C.J. Miles as a 3. Pretty bad work on Tommy's part, alas.

Big agreement here. I don't see what Retaining CJ miles at this point of his career brings over Anderson. I would have hoped Tommy would have just swallowed his pride and cut/traded CJ for a top 50 protected 2nd at best, maybe just cut him and sign Anderson to a deal with a team option. We're a team desperate for a semi young talented players to maybe "get it"...Anderson has every reason to bust his ass and was showing it thus far. I can't understand it. :/

[gambitx777]

Anderson and jones played well. I really wish this team had the balls to cut miles and IT or Ian. Jones and anderson still have potential. It is a really sad bit of wasted potential. Booth is going to the gogos which is fine. Anzejs Pasecniks is a fine pick up. dudes 23 and bigs tend to be late bloomers. The 27 year old we signed? makes not sense why we did not keep Jones and Anderson.

[ThunderBolt]

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[trast66]

I am pleasantly shocked! I guess he could still be traded. But huge win for Tommy!

[closg00]

WOW, Brad giving us one more chance, very surprised.

[Mojo Amok]

Beal Deal? An extension you say?

F-The-Hell-YES!!!!



I am bloody well thrilled by this right here. Bloody well thrilled!

[No-Man]

I mean he should def still be traded, either by January and if not early in the off-season

[Mojo Amok]

I mean he should def still be traded, either by January and if not early in the off-season

He literally cannot be traded this season after signing an extension. You could at least have some modicum of knowledge if you're going to whip it out and piddle on a celebration thread.

[payitforward]

Hey... that's a little harsh, don't you think? I mean... the guy's made almost 14,000 posts....

[trast66]

Right, I believe this means he can't be traded this year (not 100% sure). Makes him a better trade asset if it comes to that down the line. But at least a potential trade demand not hanging over the franchise this year. We don't have to play him 3,000 minutes so he can try get get All NBA. Only risk for Wiz is injury. Very good day for franchise.

[Mojo Amok]

Hey... that's a little harsh, don't you think? I mean... the guy's made almost 14,000 posts....

He needs to up his game - at first, I was thinking "don't shame the great Fran Fraschilla with a distorted understanding of league rules" until I realized it wasn't even the same spelling and variations of it are probably Sicilian for Smith.

http://www.namespedia.com/details/Fraschilla

Anyway, "traded by January" must have set me off. I'd apologize, but it would be entirely insincere.